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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts)

Wed Nov-08-06 01:47 PM
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89. No. Until the software is no longer private proprietary, secret

and hackable, until it is all verifiable, with a paper record.

Personally as someone with a Masters in Computer Science, I won't feel comfortable with it all until the same kinds of requirements, rigor, risk management is applied to our voting systems that is used with regard to mission critical Space, Defense, and medical equipment software.

Our democracy has been on life support, now upgraded to critical condition, but there is more to be done.

The fact that this election was too overwhelmingly polled, predicted, and watched for much hacking to take place does not mean that in the next close election they won't be out there doing it again.

Karl Rove was called to testify how many times for Fitz? How many of them have already been indicted, some are in prison.

I don't think they were willing to risk flying in the face of an overwhelming wave of Democratic support to come up with a Republican victory that even the MSM wasn't going to accept.

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Has this election quieted any of our worries about Diebold?	treestar	Nov-08-06 11:25 AM	#0
Affter 3 hours of trying to vote in Denver...	Touchdown	Nov-08-06 11:27 AM	#1
How did the election turn out?	treestar	Nov-08-06 11:28 AM	#5
personally, I think the Democrats won by higher margins	cryingshame	Nov-08-06 12:08 PM	#44
I agree. I think we really won bigger. Also, taking voter suppression	Misskittycat	Nov-08-06 12:13 PM	#49
Nobody knows, as there's no paper ballots in Colorado.	Touchdown	Nov-08-06 12:13 PM	#51
There really should be a way to double check	treestar	Nov-08-06 12:15 PM	#53
Depends on what part of Colorado.	meldroc	Nov-08-06 02:44 PM	#95
No, we need to reform all federal races to include auditable and verifications	oc2002	Nov-08-06 11:27 AM	#2
IA, they all need a paper trail	treestar	Nov-08-06 11:33 AM	#13
No. We deserve something hack-proof	Winebrat	Nov-08-06 11:28 AM	#3
No. I feel a little better that they were better watched this time, but I won't	GreenPartyVoter	Nov-08-06 11:28 AM	#4
Yes, open source code would be great	slackmaster	Nov-08-06 11:55 AM	#31
No	bloom	Nov-08-06 11:29 AM	#6
NO! The machines should now be used as lawn ornament in repuke front yards!	in_cog_ni_to	Nov-08-06 11:29 AM	#7
no. i think there are a couple races to look at that we need to take	seabeyond	Nov-08-06 11:29 AM	#8
I think it started getting too much attention	shadowknows69	Nov-08-06 11:29 AM	#9
IA, I thought the fix may be possible in Presidential elections	treestar	Nov-08-06 11:35 AM	#15
Agreed. GOP decided to lose now and hack 2008.	Porcupine	Nov-08-06 11:45 AM	#25
Another way to perpetuate the Conspiracy without proving it exists	slackmaster	Nov-08-06 11:56 AM	#33
Does it really matter if such a "conspiracy" exists?	mhatrw	Nov-08-06 12:49 PM	#69
Of course not	slackmaster	Nov-08-06 01:23 PM	#80
Hell no, they're completely insecure. - n/t	porphyrian	Nov-08-06 11:30 AM	#10
No. Thank goodness we have control and can now get rid of the machines.	helderheid	Nov-08-06 11:30 AM	#11
No. But the media will be dismissing voting machine worries...	Junkdrawer	Nov-08-06 11:31 AM	#12
You can bet on that	treestar	Nov-08-06 11:36 AM	#16
Not for me.	Patsy Stone	Nov-08-06 11:34 AM	#14
That's true, we need to make sure they are unhackable before	treestar	Nov-08-06 11:37 AM	#18
I'd settle for a paper trail	Patsy Stone	Nov-08-06 11:41 AM	#24
Amen to that	Big Sky Boy	Nov-08-06 11:40 AM	#22
We had many breakdowns in our county.	cmd	Nov-08-06 11:37 AM	#17
as I said last night, No no no.	uppityperson	Nov-08-06 11:38 AM	#19
Nah	marions ghost	Nov-08-06 11:39 AM	#20
No. The machines are a disaster.	aquart	Nov-08-06 11:40 AM	#21
I still don't trust it	AngryOldDem	Nov-08-06 11:40 AM	#23
Their machines still SUCK!	Mr_Spock	Nov-08-06 11:47 AM	#26
Absolutely not. What happened last night is what I wanted to happen	grace0418	Nov-08-06 11:50 AM	#27
WRONG! We still need massive election reform.	leftofthedial	Nov-08-06 11:51 AM	#28
A scary thought	treestar	Nov-08-06 11:55 AM	#30
Agree at every point. Where did that 17% go? nt	sfexpat2000	Nov-08-06 12:05 PM	#39
plus, check the 5% to 7% discrepancy between exit polls	leftofthedial	Nov-08-06 12:28 PM	#65
Yep. althecat caught that early on last night. n/t	sfexpat2000	Nov-08-06 01:28 PM	#86
After voting on a touch-screen for the first time I feel a little easier	slackmaster	Nov-08-06 11:53 AM	#29
I used the same type machine and the audit tape is	delete_bush	Nov-08-06 12:38 PM	#67
That is easy to check manually	slackmaster	Nov-08-06 01:24 PM	#82
I think we were successful in going around the machines and	Texas Explorer	Nov-08-06 11:55 AM	#32
The machines are still a danger--it's their nature regardless of how one election went	kenny blankenship	Nov-08-06 11:58 AM	#34
This is silly! - We can't use equipment that is unverifyable, what part don't you get??	Imagevision	Nov-08-06 12:00 PM	#35
Interesting thought. They go for security in the requiring of IDs	treestar	Nov-08-06 12:11 PM	#47
No! There should ALWAYS be a paper-trail...	NorthernSpy	Nov-08-06 12:01 PM	#36
I was never worried about Diebold in the first place - black helicopter stuff.	T Town Jake	Nov-08-06 12:03 PM	#37
No. I still want paper ballots and more reforms	crispini	Nov-08-06 12:05 PM	#38
No.	BurtWorm	Nov-08-06 12:06 PM	#40
No...verified voting is a MUST	mtnester	Nov-08-06 12:07 PM	#41
A little... obviously overwhelming voter sentiment can't be stopped...	redqueen	Nov-08-06 12:08 PM	#42
Totally agree	nxylas	Nov-08-06 12:16 PM	#55
Don't just hope... write and call!	redqueen	Nov-08-06 12:36 PM	#66
Not at all n/t	negativenihil	Nov-08-06 12:08 PM	#43
No! Our country will never be safe with private Bushite corporations	Peace Patriot	Nov-08-06 12:10 PM	#45
IA, it is inexcusable that Diebold should have a secret code and that	treestar	Nov-08-06 12:13 PM	#50
Because of the INCREASED PUBLICITY and AWARENESS, they were boxed in.	blm	Nov-08-06 12:11 PM	#46
Look at Florida, we are a prime example	eliphaslevi	Nov-08-06 12:12 PM	#48
Not Here In Sarasota County!! But We Used ES&S....	ChiciB1	Nov-08-06 12:13 PM	#52
Why would anyone build a vote machine that is intentionally unverifyable?? where's the logic??	Imagevision	Nov-08-06 12:16 PM	#54
Are there any unauditable machines in use now?	slackmaster	Nov-08-06 01:24 PM	#81
No...	Hubert Flottz	Nov-08-06 12:17 PM	#56
No, the whole system is dysfunctional at best, and not just Diebold	kitkat65	Nov-08-06 12:18 PM	#57
NO! /nt	readmoreoften	Nov-08-06 12:18 PM	#58
No, it hasn't.	Nikki Stone 1	Nov-08-06 12:21 PM	#59
No. Thank God in CA we have Debra Bowen.	Kerrytravelers	Nov-08-06 12:22 PM	#60
HELL NO	janesez	Nov-08-06 12:23 PM	#61
The problem isn't just stolen elections	Bleachers7	Nov-08-06 12:23 PM	#62
NOT ONE LINE OF SOFTWARE BETWEEN A VOTER AND A VALID ELECTION.	understandinglife	Nov-08-06 12:23 PM	#63
No...	butterfly77	Nov-08-06 12:24 PM	#64
What is your point? That one Democratic win makes unauditable	mhatrw	Nov-08-06 12:43 PM	#68
No, that they were unable to steal this election	treestar	Nov-08-06 12:55 PM	#72
There are many possible explanations for the fact that Dems won	mhatrw	Nov-08-06 12:59 PM	#76
I think there should be something verifiable, and have no confidence	treestar	Nov-08-06 01:37 PM	#88
Hell NO!!! We were watching and on to them, that made the difference.	wholetruth00	Nov-08-06 12:50 PM	#70
This is how I feel too!	DemExpat	Nov-08-06 12:56 PM	#73
No... I'm still worried about it	kdmorris	Nov-08-06 12:53 PM	#71
IA, the voter should have a receipt	treestar	Nov-08-06 12:56 PM	#74
The voter doesn't need a receipt per se, but the voting process	mhatrw	Nov-08-06 01:02 PM	#78
No, of course not!	Radio_Lady	Nov-08-06 12:57 PM	#75
Hell No	stepnw1f	Nov-08-06 01:00 PM	#77
No	Jack Rabbit	Nov-08-06 01:03 PM	#79
No.	kineta	Nov-08-06 01:25 PM	#83
No	SouthernBelle82	Nov-08-06 01:26 PM	#84
ummm	kydo	Nov-08-06 01:26 PM	#85
I'm thinking if it was hacked, there was an interface gaffe.	jayctravis	Nov-08-06 01:34 PM	#87
No. Until the software is no longer private proprietary, secret	Humor_In_Cuneiform	Nov-08-06 01:47 PM	#89
Don't you believe it...	Gwerlain	Nov-08-06 01:49 PM	#90
Hell no	warrens	Nov-08-06 01:52 PM	#91
No. We still need to change the way that we do elections so	Cleita	Nov-08-06 01:58 PM	#92
No.	Xap	Nov-08-06 02:06 PM	#93
NO!	Red Right and BLUE	Nov-08-06 02:07 PM	#94

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