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Sat Oct-28-06 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #44 |
| 54. I don't typically run with misogynists. |
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I can recognize the type of behaviors you're talking about. And if the dominant/aggressive behavior is the indicator that I need to watch for, then I'd guess that I was a little generous in my assessment of how many of us are not rapists. I've always been a bit of a social outcast and generally have to find other misfits to run with as a result of that. Perhaps the inherent nature of how our social circles are defined is why I don't see it going on around me.
Honestly, I've never seen aggression toward women as being acceptable. It's not how I was raised, and I've always viewed people who exhibit those tendencies as deplorable people. No matter how many times I hear it, it's always a little surprising to learn that my attitude is in the minority.
I'm sure a certain amount of the denial among the population comes from a guilty conscience as much as anything else. Sort of a "he who lives in glass houses" type of thing. "Well, geez; I remember that one time when I got pretty ripped..." and the reported rape gets dropped.
I can only promise that if one of my troops comes to me about having been sexually assaulted that I'll be dogged in my pursuit of the matter, but I don't know how to make myself inherently more approachable on that issue than I am; I already make myself known as one of the more progressive guys out there on issues like gender equality.
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| -"If I were raped today, I would not report it " |
lwfern |
Oct-27-06 10:04 PM |
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one of the most enduring, painful lies about women is that..... |
WindRavenX |
Oct-27-06 10:09 PM |
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But you (or whoever's story this is) |
SheilaT |
Oct-27-06 10:15 PM |
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So....you don't think that attempted rape is a crime? |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 10:17 PM |
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Attempted rape is not exactly the same as rape. |
SheilaT |
Oct-28-06 12:20 AM |
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There is nothing missing from this story. What are you talking about... |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 12:29 AM |
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I think everyone here can agree |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 12:30 AM |
#33 |
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while it isn't a complete rape, it is still a violation |
GloriaSmith |
Oct-28-06 12:41 AM |
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Absolutely. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 12:57 AM |
#43 |
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holy CRAP! |
GloriaSmith |
Oct-28-06 01:10 AM |
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I didn't feel anything. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 01:15 AM |
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I've read about the numbness factor...a self defense mechanism, right? |
GloriaSmith |
Oct-28-06 02:04 AM |
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Assholes. In the plural. Probably a lot. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 02:25 AM |
#63 |
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I hate Kitty Genovese syndrome. |
seawolf |
Oct-31-06 12:55 PM |
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I've been in a similar situation and my therapist |
Jamastiene |
Oct-28-06 04:57 AM |
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Yeah, so I guess |
Bassic |
Oct-28-06 09:41 AM |
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Smokes, beer, some rough foreplay |
LostinVA |
Oct-29-06 07:19 AM |
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Every time I read comments like that here |
Bassic |
Oct-29-06 09:00 AM |
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I know... |
LostinVA |
Oct-29-06 10:37 AM |
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I guess I was going from the original |
SheilaT |
Oct-28-06 10:51 PM |
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I know that's a hard thing to admit |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 11:11 PM |
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"Attempted" Means The Woman Escaped |
REP |
Oct-28-06 04:41 AM |
#67 |
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Attempted rape is assault. |
Lindacooks |
Oct-29-06 01:16 AM |
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Actually, it can be a lot worse emotionally. |
Ms. Toad |
Oct-31-06 06:19 PM |
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Thanks for adding your thoughts here |
lwfern |
Oct-31-06 07:20 PM |
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How bad does it have to be? |
Warpy |
Oct-27-06 10:44 PM |
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Uhm, it is still sexual assault under the law. |
Jamastiene |
Oct-28-06 04:53 AM |
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In very few circumstances would I report a rape to police. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 10:16 PM |
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Yep, I've seen the system, too |
lwfern |
Oct-27-06 10:25 PM |
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How many women are missing across America who were last seen |
hedgehog |
Oct-27-06 10:46 PM |
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I was sexually assaulted in a hotel after a networking convention. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 11:06 PM |
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I'll bet 3/5 of female DUers have been assaulted |
alittlelark |
Oct-27-06 11:24 PM |
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My partner is the only women I've ever met who hasn't been raped/molested |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 11:44 PM |
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She may have been assaulted as well.... |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 12:01 AM |
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Well, my girlfriend isn't lying to me. We've been together for almost 4 years. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 12:05 AM |
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I was just stating a statistically likely hypothesis. |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 12:14 AM |
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I was never raped or molested |
malaise |
Oct-28-06 04:44 AM |
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neither were any of my siblings, cousins or close friends. |
LostinVA |
Oct-29-06 07:21 AM |
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Well I was raped a long time ago.... |
demgurl |
Oct-27-06 10:53 PM |
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I'm sorry that happened to you. |
lwfern |
Oct-27-06 11:08 PM |
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Thank you for your kind words. |
demgurl |
Oct-29-06 08:58 AM |
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I had a uncle with arm around me incident too and when I told my |
donsu |
Oct-29-06 11:13 AM |
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I'm glad your mother believed you and was supportive |
lwfern |
Oct-29-06 03:05 PM |
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Wow!!!!!! |
demgurl |
Oct-30-06 07:58 PM |
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in my mind...rape... |
stillcool47 |
Oct-27-06 11:03 PM |
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I won't go to the police, but I'll tell you what... I'll give a running list |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 11:11 PM |
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That's Not a Guarantee |
REP |
Oct-27-06 11:50 PM |
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I'm sorry for your struggle. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 12:31 AM |
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Not a Struggle, Exactly |
REP |
Oct-28-06 04:35 AM |
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Interestingly... |
susanna |
Oct-29-06 01:44 AM |
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This is normal |
AlienGirl |
Oct-27-06 11:16 PM |
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ah...the power of words |
stillcool47 |
Oct-27-06 11:39 PM |
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You're welcome, I have read a lot about the effects of trauma |
AlienGirl |
Oct-27-06 11:46 PM |
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the hardest part for me.. |
stillcool47 |
Oct-28-06 12:09 AM |
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Understanding the abusers as something other than monsters is really, really hard |
AlienGirl |
Oct-28-06 12:22 AM |
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Sometimes it's good to keep them monsters. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 12:37 AM |
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Reporting it to the police will give you a much better result down the road. |
alittlelark |
Oct-27-06 11:14 PM |
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It's not so much "scared" |
lwfern |
Oct-27-06 11:17 PM |
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The victim will do much better down the road if she/he reports |
alittlelark |
Oct-27-06 11:58 PM |
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The people I know that tried using the system |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 12:03 AM |
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It is degrading and horrifying. |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 12:20 AM |
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I guess it's perspective - I'd be helping them get evidence and |
donsu |
Oct-29-06 11:18 AM |
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Then you haven't been there. |
alittlelark |
Oct-29-06 09:44 PM |
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no I haven't been there but I do know I would be in a rage to get the |
donsu |
Oct-30-06 10:58 AM |
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You seem to be missing the point. |
alittlelark |
Oct-31-06 12:32 AM |
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I've never thought a ob-gyn exam was bad - what's bad about it? |
donsu |
Oct-31-06 12:40 PM |
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Uh, no profile.... are you a female? |
alittlelark |
Nov-01-06 01:05 AM |
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yes I'm a woman and I've produced 2 babies and nurtured them to |
donsu |
Nov-01-06 12:04 PM |
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The "blame the victim" mentality is very much alive even today |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-27-06 11:44 PM |
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I probably couldn't sit on a rape jury |
krispos42 |
Oct-27-06 11:58 PM |
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You are one of the 20% or so of men who 'get it'. |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 12:09 AM |
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Not to be picky, but that's runs a little counter to this thread. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 12:35 AM |
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I'll stick w/ personality disorders. |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 12:47 AM |
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What do you mean, get ahold of the situation? |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 12:55 AM |
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I took that to mean if you are in a relationship |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 01:09 AM |
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'rape-proof' not possible. |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 01:34 AM |
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I have been in numerous situations where I was assaulted. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 02:30 AM |
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What Shit!! |
bobbolink |
Oct-30-06 08:05 PM |
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Damn, it's only 20%? |
krispos42 |
Oct-28-06 12:40 AM |
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'Perpetual victims' need to enroll in Aikido. |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 12:51 AM |
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Honest questions: |
CarbonDate |
Oct-28-06 12:53 AM |
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My guess would be |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 12:58 AM |
#44 |
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I don't typically run with misogynists. |
CarbonDate |
Oct-28-06 01:38 AM |
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If you're in the military |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 01:46 AM |
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I described it as a 'male issue' |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 01:02 AM |
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I don't see it as a left/right issue |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 01:05 AM |
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I don't see it as one either. |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 01:15 AM |
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Did you notice that I didn't dispute it? |
CarbonDate |
Oct-28-06 01:18 AM |
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one of the first things to learn |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 01:32 AM |
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Thank you for your understanding. |
CarbonDate |
Oct-28-06 01:44 AM |
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Do you laugh at jokes w/ females as the crux? |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 01:53 AM |
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I'm trying to answer your first question.... |
CarbonDate |
Oct-28-06 02:21 AM |
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I just noticed that you have no profile... |
alittlelark |
Oct-28-06 01:54 AM |
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No, I don't. |
CarbonDate |
Oct-28-06 02:22 AM |
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Rape is on par with attempt murder |
Pavulon |
Oct-28-06 09:39 AM |
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It is a violent assault. Deadly self-defense force is legal |
krispos42 |
Oct-28-06 11:51 AM |
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I was on a rape jury. What an education |
stanwyck |
Oct-31-06 03:58 PM |
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That's incredibly disturbing. |
lwfern |
Oct-31-06 04:43 PM |
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In two words: Self protection |
Ms. Toad |
Oct-31-06 06:15 PM |
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I applaud her for speaking up |
The Brethren |
Oct-28-06 01:53 AM |
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Ghosts of the Duke case? |
kgfnally |
Oct-28-06 02:31 AM |
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I don't think we'll ever actually know what happened ... |
etherealtruth |
Oct-28-06 06:00 AM |
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I suspect the case is heading for dismissal... |
NorthernSpy |
Oct-31-06 02:18 PM |
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I can understand the sentinment |
Red Right and BLUE |
Oct-28-06 04:54 AM |
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If I think I'm going to be raped by the system, there's no way I'm reporting. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-28-06 05:15 AM |
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I don't like cops any more than other people who are wary of them |
Red Right and BLUE |
Oct-28-06 07:11 AM |
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The stranger rape that I know of |
lwfern |
Oct-28-06 09:34 AM |
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I would never report it |
lukasahero |
Oct-28-06 02:31 PM |
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Threads like this make me feel terrible. |
Evoman |
Oct-29-06 03:29 AM |
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I wouldn't report either, cuz I'd be dead. |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-06 03:08 PM |
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Sorry, but that's a stupid choice. |
seawolf |
Oct-31-06 01:07 PM |
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While I'm not arguing |
bloom |
Oct-31-06 01:44 PM |
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Leverage is not an issue here. |
seawolf |
Oct-31-06 03:27 PM |
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I was almost date-raped in 1969 (fortunately, I got away from him), |
Daphne08 |
Oct-31-06 01:16 PM |
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Just what the hell does she WANT? Automatic conviction of the accused? |
NorthernSpy |
Oct-31-06 02:00 PM |
#104 |