LostinVA
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Fri Oct-27-06 04:40 PM
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And, if you don't know why, then you have no empathy or compassion for the dignity and intrinsic right of people to live as themselves. Openly. Without Fear.
Thanks for helping the GOP.
Jesus.
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| -Is gay discrimination 100% comparable to discrimination against blacks? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-26-06 05:34 PM |
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The fact that you are posing this question |
keepCAblue |
Oct-26-06 05:38 PM |
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Posing question because of all the posts up today |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-26-06 05:40 PM |
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sorrier |
Ellis Wyatt |
Oct-26-06 05:41 PM |
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Not necessarily. It could be the reverse. Or the OP could be curious |
MJDuncan1982 |
Oct-26-06 05:42 PM |
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hear hear |
HuffleClaw |
Oct-27-06 03:20 PM |
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Ditto |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:34 PM |
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Not to nitpick but they are not 100% comparable. If they were, they wouldn't |
MJDuncan1982 |
Oct-26-06 05:41 PM |
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Back in the day, and I remember the day, blacks had almost |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 05:45 PM |
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well, there is a bit of difference |
zreosumgame |
Oct-26-06 06:09 PM |
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Well, when they start attacking Gay Pride parades with |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 06:25 PM |
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Oct-26-06 06:38 PM |
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Perhaps you should read this: |
Sapphire Blue |
Oct-26-06 06:57 PM |
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Yes, history is hard |
zreosumgame |
Oct-27-06 10:17 AM |
#67 |
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You want to do a one on one comparison? |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 08:13 PM |
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Great analogy. The abuses are different, but the motivation really isn't. |
blondeatlast |
Oct-26-06 08:21 PM |
#53 |
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Thank you for posting this. |
skypilot |
Oct-27-06 10:45 AM |
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Bravo. nt |
Bluebear |
Oct-27-06 03:38 PM |
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Until Stonewall-- and after-- cops regularly rounded up gays |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 06:26 PM |
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Not quite all, but certainly the vast majority. |
igil |
Oct-27-06 01:17 PM |
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MR. CHIEF JUSTICE WARREN delivered the opinion of the Court. |
madmusic |
Oct-26-06 05:46 PM |
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Of course they are not the same issue. But not all gays are white. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-26-06 05:47 PM |
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I know several black people who get extremely upset when the |
whutgives |
Oct-26-06 05:47 PM |
#9 |
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This is why I'm uncomfortable with pairing the two struggles |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-26-06 05:57 PM |
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You've made some excellent points which gave me a |
whutgives |
Oct-26-06 06:34 PM |
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Wow, why are you buying into total ignorance about GLBT people. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 06:19 PM |
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How ridiculous. |
keepCAblue |
Oct-26-06 07:34 PM |
#33 |
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Ugh -- sickening comment |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:37 PM |
#123 |
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Tell Matthew Shepherd one of his biggest issues was the right to marry. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-27-06 05:02 PM |
#138 |
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Yes, and no one knows you're gay until you announce it to the world. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 05:33 PM |
#152 |
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Wow. Very good post. And a very good question you posed. |
Beausoir |
Oct-26-06 07:53 PM |
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I'm Jewish and I get tired of Jews thinking |
ikojo |
Oct-26-06 08:04 PM |
#46 |
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Well, I'm not Jewish |
cali |
Oct-27-06 11:02 AM |
#73 |
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damn, stating that "some" jews hold this view is hardly painting |
jonnyblitz |
Oct-27-06 06:22 PM |
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Thanks Jonnyblitz...I know of where I speak |
ikojo |
Oct-27-06 06:59 PM |
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Civil Rights for minorities were a tough cut of meat for many before |
blondeatlast |
Oct-26-06 05:49 PM |
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Human rights are human rights. You either support them or you don't. |
Solly Mack |
Oct-26-06 05:52 PM |
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Other. |
William769 |
Oct-26-06 05:54 PM |
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They differ in the details and certain aspects, but civil rights are civil rights. |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 05:58 PM |
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Exactly. Martin knew that all denial of rights are the same denial |
Katzenjammer |
Oct-27-06 02:08 PM |
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Blacks that I know resent the intrusion of gays |
trof |
Oct-26-06 05:58 PM |
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It's true. I see that too. It's sad to see. |
Lex |
Oct-26-06 06:03 PM |
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It's a false religious thing. |
trof |
Oct-26-06 06:20 PM |
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Actually, religion has been used.. |
VeggieTart |
Oct-26-06 11:06 PM |
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Monogamous gays only, the rest of us get to stay in the closet |
Lilith Velkor |
Oct-26-06 06:45 PM |
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I hope they won't expect those gays to support affirmative action. |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 07:46 PM |
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off topic, but affirmative action has benefitted white women the most nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-26-06 08:23 PM |
#56 |
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No flame here. I know it's true. |
donco6 |
Oct-27-06 04:19 PM |
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You know its true? How? nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 04:49 PM |
#134 |
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I think I read it on CWA's website. |
donco6 |
Oct-27-06 05:06 PM |
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Only when you can "hide" being black are they comparable. (n/t) |
MazeRat7 |
Oct-26-06 05:59 PM |
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The emotional pain of hiding your sexuality is enormous. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 06:34 PM |
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Are you suggesting the hiding is better? It's not. |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 07:38 PM |
#35 |
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Appalling statement |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:40 PM |
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What if they're black and gay? Or half-black and bisexual? - n/t |
porphyrian |
Oct-26-06 05:59 PM |
#17 |
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why not ask harold ford JR what he thinks? nt |
msongs |
Oct-26-06 06:08 PM |
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I vote PRESENT, even though I have some good points to make |
ProgressiveEconomist |
Oct-26-06 06:33 PM |
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It doesn't matter! 'Liberty & Justice for all' is what counts. |
Democrats_win |
Oct-26-06 06:34 PM |
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According to CORETTA SCOTT KING, it is COMPARABLE. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 06:40 PM |
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Oct-26-06 06:42 PM |
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The big difference is |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-26-06 06:47 PM |
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Another diff: no black person ever had to hide their race from their parents. |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 07:37 PM |
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No black person has ever been disowned & homeless from their parents |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 07:39 PM |
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No, but many blacks were disowned at birth by their white slave owner fathers |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-26-06 08:42 PM |
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Please read my post about Loretta Scott King's opinion on this. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 08:55 PM |
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And that bears comparison to people living right now in exactly what |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 10:44 PM |
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Precisely my point. |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-26-06 07:47 PM |
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A really bad generalization. |
keepCAblue |
Oct-26-06 07:45 PM |
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All it means is |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-26-06 07:50 PM |
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Ability to pass or hide minority status is a very important factor! |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-26-06 07:56 PM |
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Um, if there WAS a closeted gay president in US history... |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 08:06 PM |
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no, but the point is, the person had that chance |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-26-06 08:19 PM |
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Had the chance to live a life in hiding and isolation? |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 08:23 PM |
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closeted gay president vs. overrepresentation in prisons? nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-26-06 08:30 PM |
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Overrepresentation in prisons or in teen suicide? |
mondo joe |
Oct-26-06 10:43 PM |
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What gives you the right to tell us what our struggles are? |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:43 PM |
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Well I know one thing your struggle is not- |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 04:51 PM |
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And a huge proportion of kids on the street are gay. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-27-06 05:08 PM |
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Stop pretending racism is worse than homophobia. |
mondo joe |
Oct-27-06 06:00 PM |
#157 |
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How deluded. |
keepCAblue |
Oct-26-06 08:08 PM |
#48 |
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I feel sick... |
stillcool47 |
Oct-26-06 07:39 PM |
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My thoughts exactly... |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Oct-26-06 07:52 PM |
#43 |
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Beats me. |
donco6 |
Oct-26-06 10:47 PM |
#63 |
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I know... I agree.... |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:47 PM |
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I literally am sickened by this |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:46 PM |
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They are not the same but they are both equally valid concerns |
gollygee |
Oct-26-06 07:42 PM |
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THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE |
stella |
Oct-26-06 08:12 PM |
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Why the hell not? |
GreenJ |
Oct-26-06 08:29 PM |
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Because unless you say you are gay |
stella |
Oct-27-06 10:24 AM |
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so being gay is a choice? and if we'd just sit down and act |
MadAsHellNewYorker |
Oct-27-06 10:30 AM |
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OF COURSE NOT |
stella |
Oct-27-06 01:46 PM |
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Thanks for your sensitivity and support. nt |
Bluebear |
Oct-27-06 02:48 PM |
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Please stop yelling in all caps. It is not necessary. |
Kerrytravelers |
Oct-27-06 03:25 PM |
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One or 2 issues? |
mondo joe |
Oct-27-06 03:55 PM |
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I call total bull on that. |
Kerrytravelers |
Oct-27-06 03:26 PM |
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that is a damned lie |
mitchtv |
Oct-27-06 03:42 PM |
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Oh honey! |
donco6 |
Oct-27-06 04:21 PM |
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Fuck that -- do NOT tell ME what my struggles are |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:48 PM |
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Oct-27-06 05:13 PM |
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People have been beaten & killed for being PERCEIVEED as gay. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-27-06 06:44 PM |
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This is how I see it.... |
ikojo |
Oct-26-06 08:13 PM |
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The fact that the person... |
skypilot |
Oct-27-06 10:57 AM |
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Yes, they are both based in selfishness. |
flvegan |
Oct-26-06 08:21 PM |
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HELL YES IT IS THE SAME THING |
helderheid |
Oct-26-06 10:53 PM |
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civil rights, but the hair is afire right now... |
upi402 |
Oct-26-06 11:09 PM |
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Blacks were not allowed to Marry at one time either. |
MadAsHellNewYorker |
Oct-27-06 10:27 AM |
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Gay is the new black, to the bigots... |
Hobarticus |
Oct-27-06 11:07 AM |
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Civil right are civil rights |
Trekologer |
Oct-27-06 11:17 AM |
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There are some parallels, but also some big differences |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Oct-27-06 11:19 AM |
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"Sinful" vs. "Inferior" - I'm so glad you brought up that point |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 02:29 PM |
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Why is there a need to even make this comparison? |
BoneDaddy |
Oct-27-06 01:07 PM |
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This kind of thing always becomes a pissing match |
Tyo |
Oct-27-06 02:10 PM |
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Woah, hehe |
BoneDaddy |
Oct-27-06 04:00 PM |
#108 |
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Not just a toaster, but a toaster oven! |
donco6 |
Oct-27-06 04:23 PM |
#114 |
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Two completely different struggles and I think both groups would |
breakaleg |
Oct-27-06 01:48 PM |
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"...I think both groups would be offended..." |
skypilot |
Oct-27-06 02:03 PM |
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NICE DEMOCRAT WEDGE ISSUE, and just in time for elections. |
The Stranger |
Oct-27-06 01:49 PM |
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You noticed that huh? |
Mr_Spock |
Oct-27-06 01:51 PM |
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Surprise surprise. Imagine that. Just a short time before |
Kerrytravelers |
Oct-27-06 03:45 PM |
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it doesn't have to be a wedge, it can bring enlightenment to all sides |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 02:35 PM |
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You think you can enlighten ALL sides with this? Not the right wing. |
Bluebear |
Oct-27-06 02:50 PM |
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And, to be honest, I get offended by people who assume that |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 05:38 PM |
#155 |
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There's a great article about this |
tishaLA |
Oct-27-06 02:10 PM |
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I will check that out. Thanks! nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 02:31 PM |
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Consider in most cases you can't hide Blackness. |
xultar |
Oct-27-06 02:13 PM |
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But if you could hide it... |
skypilot |
Oct-27-06 02:19 PM |
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True. No rguements here. It's just that people tend to hate me |
xultar |
Oct-27-06 02:22 PM |
#89 |
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Yes. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Oct-27-06 02:54 PM |
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Oct-27-06 02:55 PM |
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Gee I wonder why you started this poll |
cboy4 |
Oct-27-06 03:29 PM |
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I appreciate your post |
mitchtv |
Oct-27-06 04:04 PM |
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why did you use the black analogy? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 04:21 PM |
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There is no other purpose for this thread, except to divide. |
cboy4 |
Oct-27-06 04:30 PM |
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Ha! I agree. eom |
donco6 |
Oct-27-06 04:29 PM |
#116 |
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When the first spark of an idea lit up your brain to create this |
Kerrytravelers |
Oct-27-06 03:46 PM |
#104 |
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This question can only lead to disharmony and strife. |
donco6 |
Oct-27-06 04:15 PM |
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Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. And all the other |
Kerrytravelers |
Oct-27-06 04:25 PM |
#115 |
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The ways of discriminating are different, nothing else. |
DireStrike |
Oct-27-06 03:49 PM |
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DS, that's great! |
Bluebear |
Oct-27-06 03:56 PM |
#107 |
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BINGO...This is the correct answer! |
Stuckinthebush |
Oct-27-06 04:36 PM |
#122 |
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yes. |
buddhamama |
Oct-27-06 04:32 PM |
#118 |
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This is a pretty flamey OP -- VERY divisive, imo |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:33 PM |
#119 |
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Agreed. I hope this gets locked. |
Harvey Korman |
Oct-27-06 04:35 PM |
#121 |
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She quoted the "Concerned Women of America" on another |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 05:09 PM |
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Honestly, I'm amazed a few people here haven't just started quoting |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-27-06 05:20 PM |
#149 |
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Or Rush or Phelps -- ugh |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 05:26 PM |
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Yes, but very enlightening |
Stuckinthebush |
Oct-27-06 04:38 PM |
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why is it shocking that not everyone thinks homophobia is equal to racism? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 04:39 PM |
#125 |
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Oct-27-06 04:43 PM |
#129 |
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Tell me about it -- kinda sickening, huh? |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 05:09 PM |
#143 |
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Using civil rights to divide people |
GreenJ |
Oct-27-06 04:39 PM |
#126 |
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Words out of my mouth |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 05:08 PM |
#141 |
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AS I read this thread, the divisive tactic of the OP was successful |
LostinVA |
Oct-27-06 04:45 PM |
#130 |
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good riddance. you hurt your cause with your wild, unfounded accusations nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 04:58 PM |
#136 |
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Uh-uh. Sure... Oh and I have a question for you? |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-27-06 05:37 PM |
#154 |
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One of my best friends is a black lesbian |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 06:16 PM |
#160 |
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My point is gay rights affect people of every race. I'm on topic btw. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-27-06 06:22 PM |
#164 |
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Are gays and African Americans both human beings? Yes. |
impeachdubya |
Oct-27-06 05:01 PM |
#137 |
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"Divide and conquer" is a favorite strategy. Read "Mind of the South" |
McCamy Taylor |
Oct-27-06 05:05 PM |
#139 |
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ANYONE who doesn't agree with me is RACIST |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 05:12 PM |
#145 |
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C'ya. |
donco6 |
Oct-27-06 05:23 PM |
#150 |
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Disagreeing wouldn't make anyone homophobic. Homophobia |
mondo joe |
Oct-27-06 05:58 PM |
#156 |
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I believe Discriminations against gays is a civil rights issue |
Geek_Girl |
Oct-27-06 05:14 PM |
#147 |
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Other: While they are both similar in bieng needed civil rights movements, |
Random_Australian |
Oct-27-06 05:16 PM |
#148 |
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200 posts and not a single rec? That says something. eom |
donco6 |
Oct-27-06 05:34 PM |
#153 |
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honestly, I wish this thread would sink like a pile of bricks |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 06:19 PM |
#162 |
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So are women's rights inferior to African-American civil rights? |
readmoreoften |
Oct-27-06 06:21 PM |
#163 |
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not less important, just different. two separate issues |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 06:23 PM |
#166 |
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Right, they're not equal Racism is only 72.2% as bad as homophobia. |
mondo joe |
Oct-27-06 06:23 PM |
#167 |
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and nowhere did I say the gay rights struggle was lesser, just that its different |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 06:26 PM |
#169 |
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You actually did gay americans face 10% or less of the issues |
mondo joe |
Oct-27-06 06:31 PM |
#170 |
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Yes, meaning of the 100% of issues that gay americans face |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-27-06 06:39 PM |
#171 |
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So you mean blacks only experience 10% of what gays do? |
mondo joe |
Oct-27-06 06:45 PM |
#173 |
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shouldn't be discussed together unless |
themartyred |
Oct-27-06 06:03 PM |
#158 |
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How many gays have gay parents and gay grandparetns and ... |
TahitiNut |
Oct-27-06 06:11 PM |
#159 |
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People are born black.. |
sendero |
Oct-27-06 06:47 PM |
#174 |
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I'm going to lock this. |
wakemeupwhenitsover |
Oct-27-06 07:39 PM |
#176 |
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