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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 04:19 PM
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111. No flame here. I know it's true.
Sad, but true. Just wish it wasn't that way. It makes me angry at religion, and I don't want to be.
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  -Is gay discrimination 100% comparable to discrimination against blacks? Truth Hurts A Lot  Oct-26-06 05:34 PM   #0 
  - The fact that you are posing this question  keepCAblue   Oct-26-06 05:38 PM   #1 
  - Posing question because of all the posts up today  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-26-06 05:40 PM   #2 
  - sorrier  Ellis Wyatt   Oct-26-06 05:41 PM   #4 
  - Not necessarily. It could be the reverse. Or the OP could be curious  MJDuncan1982   Oct-26-06 05:42 PM   #5 
  - hear hear  HuffleClaw   Oct-27-06 03:20 PM   #97 
     - Ditto  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:34 PM   #120 
  - Not to nitpick but they are not 100% comparable. If they were, they wouldn't  MJDuncan1982   Oct-26-06 05:41 PM   #3 
  - Back in the day, and I remember the day, blacks had almost  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 05:45 PM   #6 
  - well, there is a bit of difference  zreosumgame   Oct-26-06 06:09 PM   #20 
     - Well, when they start attacking Gay Pride parades with  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 06:25 PM   #22 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-26-06 06:38 PM   #27 
     - Perhaps you should read this:  Sapphire Blue   Oct-26-06 06:57 PM   #32 
        - Yes, history is hard  zreosumgame   Oct-27-06 10:17 AM   #67 
     - You want to do a one on one comparison?  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 08:13 PM   #50 
     - Great analogy. The abuses are different, but the motivation really isn't.  blondeatlast   Oct-26-06 08:21 PM   #53 
     - Thank you for posting this.  skypilot   Oct-27-06 10:45 AM   #71 
     - Bravo. nt  Bluebear   Oct-27-06 03:38 PM   #101 
     - Until Stonewall-- and after-- cops regularly rounded up gays  readmoreoften   Oct-27-06 06:26 PM   #168 
     - Not quite all, but certainly the vast majority.  igil   Oct-27-06 01:17 PM   #78 
  - MR. CHIEF JUSTICE WARREN delivered the opinion of the Court.  madmusic   Oct-26-06 05:46 PM   #7 
  - Of course they are not the same issue. But not all gays are white.  readmoreoften   Oct-26-06 05:47 PM   #8 
  - I know several black people who get extremely upset when the  whutgives   Oct-26-06 05:47 PM   #9 
  - This is why I'm uncomfortable with pairing the two struggles  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-26-06 05:57 PM   #13 
  - You've made some excellent points which gave me a  whutgives   Oct-26-06 06:34 PM   #24 
  - Wow, why are you buying into total ignorance about GLBT people.  readmoreoften   Oct-27-06 06:19 PM   #161 
  - How ridiculous.  keepCAblue   Oct-26-06 07:34 PM   #33 
  - Ugh -- sickening comment  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:37 PM   #123 
  - Tell Matthew Shepherd one of his biggest issues was the right to marry.  haruka3_2000   Oct-27-06 05:02 PM   #138 
  - Yes, and no one knows you're gay until you announce it to the world.  readmoreoften   Oct-27-06 05:33 PM   #152 
  - Wow. Very good post. And a very good question you posed.  Beausoir   Oct-26-06 07:53 PM   #44 
  - I'm Jewish and I get tired of Jews thinking  ikojo   Oct-26-06 08:04 PM   #46 
     - Well, I'm not Jewish  cali   Oct-27-06 11:02 AM   #73 
        - damn, stating that "some" jews hold this view is hardly painting  jonnyblitz   Oct-27-06 06:22 PM   #165 
           - Thanks Jonnyblitz...I know of where I speak  ikojo   Oct-27-06 06:59 PM   #175 
  - Civil Rights for minorities were a tough cut of meat for many before  blondeatlast   Oct-26-06 05:49 PM   #10 
  - Human rights are human rights. You either support them or you don't.  Solly Mack   Oct-26-06 05:52 PM   #11 
  - Other.  William769   Oct-26-06 05:54 PM   #12 
  - They differ in the details and certain aspects, but civil rights are civil rights.  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 05:58 PM   #14 
  - Exactly. Martin knew that all denial of rights are the same denial  Katzenjammer   Oct-27-06 02:08 PM   #84 
  - Blacks that I know resent the intrusion of gays  trof   Oct-26-06 05:58 PM   #15 
  - It's true. I see that too. It's sad to see.  Lex   Oct-26-06 06:03 PM   #18 
  - It's a false religious thing.  trof   Oct-26-06 06:20 PM   #21 
  - Actually, religion has been used..  VeggieTart   Oct-26-06 11:06 PM   #65 
  - Monogamous gays only, the rest of us get to stay in the closet  Lilith Velkor   Oct-26-06 06:45 PM   #30 
  - I hope they won't expect those gays to support affirmative action.  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 07:46 PM   #40 
  - off topic, but affirmative action has benefitted white women the most nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-26-06 08:23 PM   #56 
  - No flame here. I know it's true.  donco6   Oct-27-06 04:19 PM   #111 
     - You know its true? How? nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 04:49 PM   #134 
        - I think I read it on CWA's website.  donco6   Oct-27-06 05:06 PM   #140 
  - Only when you can "hide" being black are they comparable. (n/t)  MazeRat7   Oct-26-06 05:59 PM   #16 
  - The emotional pain of hiding your sexuality is enormous.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 06:34 PM   #25 
  - Are you suggesting the hiding is better? It's not.  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 07:38 PM   #35 
  - Appalling statement  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:40 PM   #127 
  - What if they're black and gay? Or half-black and bisexual? - n/t  porphyrian   Oct-26-06 05:59 PM   #17 
  - why not ask harold ford JR what he thinks? nt  msongs   Oct-26-06 06:08 PM   #19 
  - I vote PRESENT, even though I have some good points to make  ProgressiveEconomist   Oct-26-06 06:33 PM   #23 
  - It doesn't matter! 'Liberty & Justice for all' is what counts.  Democrats_win   Oct-26-06 06:34 PM   #26 
  - According to CORETTA SCOTT KING, it is COMPARABLE.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 06:40 PM   #28 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-26-06 06:42 PM   #29 
  - The big difference is  Jed Dilligan   Oct-26-06 06:47 PM   #31 
  - Another diff: no black person ever had to hide their race from their parents.  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 07:37 PM   #34 
  - No black person has ever been disowned & homeless from their parents  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 07:39 PM   #37 
  - No, but many blacks were disowned at birth by their white slave owner fathers  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-26-06 08:42 PM   #59 
     - Please read my post about Loretta Scott King's opinion on this.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 08:55 PM   #60 
     - And that bears comparison to people living right now in exactly what  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 10:44 PM   #62 
  - Precisely my point.  Jed Dilligan   Oct-26-06 07:47 PM   #41 
  - A really bad generalization.  keepCAblue   Oct-26-06 07:45 PM   #39 
     - All it means is  Jed Dilligan   Oct-26-06 07:50 PM   #42 
     - Ability to pass or hide minority status is a very important factor!  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-26-06 07:56 PM   #45 
        - Um, if there WAS a closeted gay president in US history...  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 08:06 PM   #47 
        - no, but the point is, the person had that chance  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-26-06 08:19 PM   #52 
           - Had the chance to live a life in hiding and isolation?  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 08:23 PM   #55 
           - closeted gay president vs. overrepresentation in prisons? nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-26-06 08:30 PM   #58 
              - Overrepresentation in prisons or in teen suicide?  mondo joe   Oct-26-06 10:43 PM   #61 
           - What gives you the right to tell us what our struggles are?  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:43 PM   #128 
              - Well I know one thing your struggle is not-  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 04:51 PM   #135 
                 - And a huge proportion of kids on the street are gay.  haruka3_2000   Oct-27-06 05:08 PM   #142 
                 - Stop pretending racism is worse than homophobia.  mondo joe   Oct-27-06 06:00 PM   #157 
        - How deluded.  keepCAblue   Oct-26-06 08:08 PM   #48 
  - I feel sick...  stillcool47   Oct-26-06 07:39 PM   #36 
  - My thoughts exactly...  jesus_of_suburbia   Oct-26-06 07:52 PM   #43 
  - Beats me.  donco6   Oct-26-06 10:47 PM   #63 
  - I know... I agree....  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:47 PM   #132 
  - I literally am sickened by this  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:46 PM   #131 
  - They are not the same but they are both equally valid concerns  gollygee   Oct-26-06 07:42 PM   #38 
  - THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE  stella   Oct-26-06 08:12 PM   #49 
  - Why the hell not?  GreenJ   Oct-26-06 08:29 PM   #57 
     - Because unless you say you are gay  stella   Oct-27-06 10:24 AM   #68 
        - so being gay is a choice? and if we'd just sit down and act  MadAsHellNewYorker   Oct-27-06 10:30 AM   #70 
        - OF COURSE NOT  stella   Oct-27-06 01:46 PM   #79 
           - Thanks for your sensitivity and support. nt  Bluebear   Oct-27-06 02:48 PM   #93 
           - Please stop yelling in all caps. It is not necessary.  Kerrytravelers   Oct-27-06 03:25 PM   #98 
           - One or 2 issues?  mondo joe   Oct-27-06 03:55 PM   #106 
        - I call total bull on that.  Kerrytravelers   Oct-27-06 03:26 PM   #99 
        - that is a damned lie  mitchtv   Oct-27-06 03:42 PM   #102 
        - Oh honey!  donco6   Oct-27-06 04:21 PM   #113 
        - Fuck that -- do NOT tell ME what my struggles are  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:48 PM   #133 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-06 05:13 PM   #146 
        - People have been beaten & killed for being PERCEIVEED as gay.  haruka3_2000   Oct-27-06 06:44 PM   #172 
  - This is how I see it....  ikojo   Oct-26-06 08:13 PM   #51 
  - The fact that the person...  skypilot   Oct-27-06 10:57 AM   #72 
  - Yes, they are both based in selfishness.  flvegan   Oct-26-06 08:21 PM   #54 
  - HELL YES IT IS THE SAME THING  helderheid   Oct-26-06 10:53 PM   #64 
  - civil rights, but the hair is afire right now...  upi402   Oct-26-06 11:09 PM   #66 
  - Blacks were not allowed to Marry at one time either.  MadAsHellNewYorker   Oct-27-06 10:27 AM   #69 
  - Gay is the new black, to the bigots...  Hobarticus   Oct-27-06 11:07 AM   #74 
  - Civil right are civil rights  Trekologer   Oct-27-06 11:17 AM   #75 
  - There are some parallels, but also some big differences  Donald Ian Rankin   Oct-27-06 11:19 AM   #76 
  - "Sinful" vs. "Inferior" - I'm so glad you brought up that point  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 02:29 PM   #90 
  - Why is there a need to even make this comparison?  BoneDaddy   Oct-27-06 01:07 PM   #77 
  - This kind of thing always becomes a pissing match  Tyo   Oct-27-06 02:10 PM   #85 
     - Woah, hehe  BoneDaddy   Oct-27-06 04:00 PM   #108 
     - Not just a toaster, but a toaster oven!  donco6   Oct-27-06 04:23 PM   #114 
  - Two completely different struggles and I think both groups would  breakaleg   Oct-27-06 01:48 PM   #80 
  - "...I think both groups would be offended..."  skypilot   Oct-27-06 02:03 PM   #83 
  - NICE DEMOCRAT WEDGE ISSUE, and just in time for elections.  The Stranger   Oct-27-06 01:49 PM   #81 
  - You noticed that huh?  Mr_Spock   Oct-27-06 01:51 PM   #82 
  - Surprise surprise. Imagine that. Just a short time before  Kerrytravelers   Oct-27-06 03:45 PM   #103 
  - it doesn't have to be a wedge, it can bring enlightenment to all sides  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 02:35 PM   #92 
     - You think you can enlighten ALL sides with this? Not the right wing.  Bluebear   Oct-27-06 02:50 PM   #94 
     - And, to be honest, I get offended by people who assume that  readmoreoften   Oct-27-06 05:38 PM   #155 
  - There's a great article about this  tishaLA   Oct-27-06 02:10 PM   #86 
  - I will check that out. Thanks! nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 02:31 PM   #91 
  - Consider in most cases you can't hide Blackness.  xultar   Oct-27-06 02:13 PM   #87 
  - But if you could hide it...  skypilot   Oct-27-06 02:19 PM   #88 
     - True. No rguements here. It's just that people tend to hate me  xultar   Oct-27-06 02:22 PM   #89 
  - Yes.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-27-06 02:54 PM   #95 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-27-06 02:55 PM   #96 
  - Gee I wonder why you started this poll  cboy4   Oct-27-06 03:29 PM   #100 
  - I appreciate your post  mitchtv   Oct-27-06 04:04 PM   #109 
  - why did you use the black analogy?  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 04:21 PM   #112 
  - There is no other purpose for this thread, except to divide.  cboy4   Oct-27-06 04:30 PM   #117 
  - Ha! I agree. eom  donco6   Oct-27-06 04:29 PM   #116 
  - When the first spark of an idea lit up your brain to create this  Kerrytravelers   Oct-27-06 03:46 PM   #104 
  - This question can only lead to disharmony and strife.  donco6   Oct-27-06 04:15 PM   #110 
     - Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. And all the other  Kerrytravelers   Oct-27-06 04:25 PM   #115 
  - The ways of discriminating are different, nothing else.  DireStrike   Oct-27-06 03:49 PM   #105 
  - DS, that's great!  Bluebear   Oct-27-06 03:56 PM   #107 
  - BINGO...This is the correct answer!  Stuckinthebush   Oct-27-06 04:36 PM   #122 
  - yes.  buddhamama   Oct-27-06 04:32 PM   #118 
  - This is a pretty flamey OP -- VERY divisive, imo  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:33 PM   #119 
  - Agreed. I hope this gets locked.  Harvey Korman   Oct-27-06 04:35 PM   #121 
  - She quoted the "Concerned Women of America" on another  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 05:09 PM   #144 
     - Honestly, I'm amazed a few people here haven't just started quoting  haruka3_2000   Oct-27-06 05:20 PM   #149 
        - Or Rush or Phelps -- ugh  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 05:26 PM   #151 
  - Yes, but very enlightening  Stuckinthebush   Oct-27-06 04:38 PM   #124 
  - why is it shocking that not everyone thinks homophobia is equal to racism?  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 04:39 PM   #125 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-27-06 04:43 PM   #129 
  - Tell me about it -- kinda sickening, huh?  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 05:09 PM   #143 
  - Using civil rights to divide people  GreenJ   Oct-27-06 04:39 PM   #126 
     - Words out of my mouth  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 05:08 PM   #141 
  - AS I read this thread, the divisive tactic of the OP was successful  LostinVA   Oct-27-06 04:45 PM   #130 
  - good riddance. you hurt your cause with your wild, unfounded accusations nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 04:58 PM   #136 
     - Uh-uh. Sure... Oh and I have a question for you?  haruka3_2000   Oct-27-06 05:37 PM   #154 
        - One of my best friends is a black lesbian  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 06:16 PM   #160 
           - My point is gay rights affect people of every race. I'm on topic btw.  haruka3_2000   Oct-27-06 06:22 PM   #164 
  - Are gays and African Americans both human beings? Yes.  impeachdubya   Oct-27-06 05:01 PM   #137 
  - "Divide and conquer" is a favorite strategy. Read "Mind of the South"  McCamy Taylor   Oct-27-06 05:05 PM   #139 
  - ANYONE who doesn't agree with me is RACIST  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 05:12 PM   #145 
  - C'ya.  donco6   Oct-27-06 05:23 PM   #150 
  - Disagreeing wouldn't make anyone homophobic. Homophobia  mondo joe   Oct-27-06 05:58 PM   #156 
  - I believe Discriminations against gays is a civil rights issue  Geek_Girl   Oct-27-06 05:14 PM   #147 
  - Other: While they are both similar in bieng needed civil rights movements,  Random_Australian   Oct-27-06 05:16 PM   #148 
  - 200 posts and not a single rec? That says something. eom  donco6   Oct-27-06 05:34 PM   #153 
  - honestly, I wish this thread would sink like a pile of bricks  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 06:19 PM   #162 
     - So are women's rights inferior to African-American civil rights?  readmoreoften   Oct-27-06 06:21 PM   #163 
     - not less important, just different. two separate issues  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 06:23 PM   #166 
     - Right, they're not equal Racism is only 72.2% as bad as homophobia.  mondo joe   Oct-27-06 06:23 PM   #167 
        - and nowhere did I say the gay rights struggle was lesser, just that its different  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 06:26 PM   #169 
           - You actually did gay americans face 10% or less of the issues  mondo joe   Oct-27-06 06:31 PM   #170 
              - Yes, meaning of the 100% of issues that gay americans face  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-27-06 06:39 PM   #171 
                 - So you mean blacks only experience 10% of what gays do?  mondo joe   Oct-27-06 06:45 PM   #173 
  - shouldn't be discussed together unless  themartyred   Oct-27-06 06:03 PM   #158 
  - How many gays have gay parents and gay grandparetns and ...  TahitiNut   Oct-27-06 06:11 PM   #159 
  - People are born black..  sendero   Oct-27-06 06:47 PM   #174 
  - I'm going to lock this.  wakemeupwhenitsover   Oct-27-06 07:39 PM   #176 
 

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