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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:40 AM
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3. No, not true. There are videos of waterboarding out there, and
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 11:43 AM by soothsayer
what they do is lay you down with your head lower than your chest, then force a balled up wet rag over your nose and mouth so it's hard to breathe and you keep breathing in water vapor, and they keep pouring more water on the rag and as you get panicky they pour more on it and on you so now you feel like you are drowning, so your chest gets real tight and your heart races and you get all panicked and are struggling, then they let you gasp a lungful of air and start it all over again.

We actually have reflexes that prevent water entering the lungs very easily. Wikipedia puts it like this

The reaction to water inhalation

If water enters the airways of a conscious victim the victim will try to cough up the water or swallow it thus inhaling more water involuntarily. Upon water entering the airways, both conscious and unconscious victims experience laryngospasm, that is the Larynx or the vocal cords in the throat constrict and seal the air tube. This prevents water from entering the lungs. Due to this laryngospasm, water enters the stomach in the initial phase of drowning and very little water enters the lungs. Unfortunately, this can prevent air from entering the lungs, too. In most victims, the laryngospasm relaxes some time after unconsciousness and water can enter the lungs causing a wet drowning. However, about 10-15% of victims maintain this seal until cardiac arrest, this is called dry drowning as no water enters the lungs. In forensic pathology water in the lungs indicates that the victim was still alive at the point of submersion; the absence of water in the lungs may be either a dry drowning or indicates a death before submersion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drowning

On edit, here's wikipedia's description of waterboarding;
The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt. According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last over two minutes before begging to confess.<3>

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BUT...looky, it can have long lasting effects:

The physical effects of poorly executed waterboarding can be extreme pain and damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation and sometimes broken bones because of the restraints applied to the struggling victim. The psychological effects can be longlasting.

Dr. Allen Keller, the director of the Bellevue/N.Y.U. Program for Survivors of Torture, has treated "a number of people" who had been subjected to forms of near-asphyxiation, including waterboarding. An interview for The New Yorker states:

argued that it was indeed torture. Some victims were still traumatized years later, he said. One patient couldn't take showers, and panicked when it rained. "The fear of being killed is a terrifying experience," he said.<8><9>

much more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
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  -Waterboarding KILLS victim. He is not allowed to die. He is brought back. IndyOp  Oct-22-06 11:29 AM   #0 
  - The stuff of Nightmares. n/t  Daphne08   Oct-22-06 11:37 AM   #1 
  - We need a list of the names of the doctors who are helping do this.  Joanne98   Oct-22-06 11:40 AM   #2 
  - No, not true. There are videos of waterboarding out there, and  soothsayer   Oct-22-06 11:40 AM   #3 
  - Figures the "dry drunk" would endorse "dry drowning"  elehhhhna   Oct-22-06 12:28 PM   #8 
  - What makes you think that the newly emplaced GENIUSES  ShortnFiery   Oct-22-06 12:38 PM   #15 
  - There's the inherent problem with torture as interrogation:  johnaries   Oct-22-06 03:36 PM   #19 
  - Here's a video of a waterboarding experiment.  RebelOne   Oct-23-06 07:53 AM   #23 
  - I think a really manly man could last longer.  Benhurst   Oct-23-06 08:48 AM   #25 
  - It's not really that big a deal though.  Telly Savalas   Oct-22-06 12:00 PM   #4 
  - And a certain poster may just stop by and start asking you:  Poll_Blind   Oct-22-06 12:06 PM   #6 
  - huh?  elehhhhna   Oct-22-06 12:31 PM   #10 
  - falling in line  mdmc   Oct-22-06 12:16 PM   #7 
  - The only way we're going to stop this practice is if we take the  pnwmom   Oct-22-06 12:36 PM   #12 
  - Just The Reason My Litmus Test Includes Torture and War Mongering  lostnotforgotten   Oct-22-06 12:39 PM   #16 
     - Water mongering.  lonestarnot   Oct-23-06 08:56 AM   #26 
  - At first I really disagreed with this, thought it was bullsh*t. Then...  Poll_Blind   Oct-22-06 12:01 PM   #5 
  - Next up : the "pulpification of extremities", also now a preferred BA  elehhhhna   Oct-22-06 12:30 PM   #9 
  - How do you conduct a war on torture when over 25% of your army's....  Poll_Blind   Oct-22-06 12:33 PM   #11 
     - This is not reflective of the Professional Army but the Generals ...  ShortnFiery   Oct-22-06 12:51 PM   #17 
     - With 75% opposing it,  rman   Oct-23-06 12:05 PM   #30 
  - And imagine what this does to the 1 in 5 or so with asthma or  pnwmom   Oct-22-06 12:37 PM   #14 
  - Probably causes permanent brain and/or other organ damage.  BlueEyedSon   Oct-23-06 07:32 AM   #22 
  - And Just Think, Any Of Us Could Be The Next Victim  lostnotforgotten   Oct-22-06 12:36 PM   #13 
  - So true. Empathy is the only cure for inhumane acts.  goforit   Oct-23-06 09:16 AM   #29 
  - Mock Executions and therefore a War Crime, full stop. n/t  yodermon   Oct-22-06 03:02 PM   #18 
  - Yes.  troubleinwinter   Oct-22-06 05:27 PM   #21 
  - Of course the victims are not allowed to die.  arnheim   Oct-22-06 03:39 PM   #20 
  - Hey arnheim!  lonestarnot   Oct-23-06 08:58 AM   #27 
  - Torture is torture  malaise   Oct-23-06 08:01 AM   #24 
  - Background piece on US use of this practice  SOS   Oct-23-06 09:12 AM   #28 
     - Unbelievable. This article is very helpful. Had no idea this practise  Judi Lynn   Oct-23-06 12:14 PM   #31 
 

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