randyconspiracybuff
(192 posts)
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Fri Oct-20-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #42 |
| 53. References About Cash Payments To Grossman |
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OK, I will be careful here. Following the Sibel Edmonds case requires developing a skill of inferring what she seems to be trying to point to but is not allowed to say explicitly.
Sibel has made repeated references to the State Department being the most corrupt branch of government. Before she found a way to bring Grossman's name up without breaking her gag order (she first mentioned Grossman's name to Chris Deliso in November '05), she insisted, according to Daniel Ellsberg, that "people in the State Department take cash" (this is from an untranscribed interview between Ellsberg and Kris Welch of KPFA from Sept. '05).
One more thing, the Vanity Fair article an "Inconvenient Patriot" states the following: "a Turkish official spoke directly to a U.S. State Department staffer. They suggested that the State Department staffer would send a representative at an appointed time to the American-Turkish Council office, at 1111 14th St. NW, where he would be given $7,000 in cash. “She told us she’d heard mention of exchanges of information, dead drops—that kind of thing,” a congressional source says. “It was mostly money in exchange for secrets.”
I don't know if Grossman would qualify as a "staffer". But if he does, that would put him as my top candidate for the taker of the $7,000 bribe.
So basically, I am making the inferrence that Grossman was leaking and he was leaking for financial gain.
I don't have any specific statement from Sibel or anyone else that Grossman took cash bribes. But I have deduced, not with absolute certainty, but with over 50% probability in my estimation, that this is what is alleged to have occurred. But it's open for debate.
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sibel edmonds director/movie interview. pt 5: Valerie Plame and Sibel Edmo |
lukery |
Oct-19-06 08:12 AM |
#0 |

My Geography Sucks |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 09:15 AM |
#1 |
 
Both.... |
calipendence |
Oct-19-06 10:48 AM |
#10 |

Thanks... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 03:26 PM |
#37 |

Sibel Is A Master of Legally Defying the Gag Orders |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 09:18 AM |
#2 |
 
sibel told me the same |
lukery |
Oct-19-06 09:30 AM |
#4 |
 
Yes, She does it perfectly. |
mmonk |
Oct-19-06 01:31 PM |
#24 |

"we have no factual evidence of (Mark Grossman's) involvement in the case. |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 09:27 AM |
#3 |
 
I Think Verboud Means... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 09:36 AM |
#5 |

right |
lukery |
Oct-19-06 09:47 AM |
#6 |

My apologies. The following framing sentences led me to |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 10:13 AM |
#8 |

A Summary of What We Know About Grossman |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 11:01 AM |
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Long ago, Sibel clued us into Turkish bribery of US officials , thus, the |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 12:55 PM |
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I Understand Where You Are Coming From... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 01:11 PM |
#21 |
 
If this is accurate, Grossman is among the stupidest Mob Bosses of all |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 01:46 PM |
#28 |
 
I Think This Particular Madsen Story Is Credible |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 02:13 PM |
#32 |
 
Trained officers and agents don't behave that way. |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 02:22 PM |
#34 |
 
Just Remember Not All the Turks Were Officers... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 02:54 PM |
#36 |
 
another option |
lukery |
Oct-19-06 08:46 PM |
#41 |
 
That wouldn't be a safe assumption - more than one agency would be |
leveymg |
Oct-20-06 09:45 AM |
#50 |
 
at a minimum |
lukery |
Oct-21-06 12:22 AM |
#58 |
 
corrections, of sorts |
lukery |
Oct-19-06 10:23 PM |
#42 |

Thanks, Lukery. |
leveymg |
Oct-20-06 10:32 AM |
#51 |
 
K&R!!! |
Imagevision |
Oct-20-06 09:05 PM |
#56 |

References About Cash Payments To Grossman |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-20-06 11:06 AM |
#53 |

unconvinced |
lukery |
Oct-20-06 10:16 PM |
#57 |

transcribed |
lukery |
Oct-21-06 03:32 AM |
#60 |

Sibel and Grossman, continued . . . |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 12:10 PM |
#17 |

If Grossman Took Cash From Turkey and others... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 12:51 PM |
#18 |

BTW, Both Lukery and I |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 12:56 PM |
#20 |
 
I think she's concluded the same thing you and Luke did. |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 01:17 PM |
#23 |

Thank You for Your Involvement |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 01:42 PM |
#26 |

I read the article. It makes it clear that Grossman did the talking. |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 01:53 PM |
#29 |

Not Stupid, But Arrogant and Careless |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 02:05 PM |
#31 |

Of course, I hope you're right. |
leveymg |
Oct-19-06 02:19 PM |
#33 |

I Heard Sibel Once Say Sen. Grassley Asked the FBI If... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 02:24 PM |
#35 |

one clarification |
lukery |
Oct-19-06 11:06 PM |
#43 |

Whatever MG's motives were -- ideological or financial -- they were strong |
leveymg |
Oct-20-06 10:42 AM |
#52 |

i'd be careful about what you infer there |
lukery |
Oct-20-06 09:03 PM |
#54 |

Their personal relationship is bound to be a significant wrinkle in this |
leveymg |
Oct-21-06 02:48 AM |
#59 |

again - id be wary |
lukery |
Oct-21-06 03:58 AM |
#61 |

bed time here in australia |
lukery |
Oct-19-06 09:57 AM |
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Of Course, We'll Keep The Thread Alive... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 10:47 AM |
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It's interesting that the Larry Franklin case crops up here again... |
calipendence |
Oct-19-06 11:04 AM |
#12 |
 
If That Would Be True About Google... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 11:18 AM |
#13 |

I'm sure that they are still treading lightly on doing this now... |
calipendence |
Oct-19-06 11:23 AM |
#14 |
 
My Concern Is That If Google or Yahoo Are Cooperating... |
randyconspiracybuff |
Oct-19-06 01:44 PM |
#27 |

I sense your concern and I feel it too! |
calipendence |
Oct-19-06 05:28 PM |
#39 |

Here's the earlier DU thread I had on this... |
calipendence |
Oct-19-06 11:40 AM |
#15 |

Needs to be kept alive. This is one of the most important stories out |
wiggs |
Oct-19-06 12:07 PM |
#16 |

big K&R |
G_j |
Oct-19-06 01:14 PM |
#22 |

Thanks |
mmonk |
Oct-19-06 01:33 PM |
#25 |

Bookmarked! Thanks lukery! |
robertpaulsen |
Oct-19-06 01:59 PM |
#30 |
 
thnx |
lukery |
Oct-20-06 01:47 AM |
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K&R and bookmarked, this is very important stuff! |
AntiFascist |
Oct-19-06 05:09 PM |
#38 |
 
Ney |
lukery |
Oct-20-06 12:44 AM |
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Very interesting analyses relating to the work of.... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-20-06 01:18 AM |
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i'm not sure how to read |
lukery |
Oct-20-06 01:54 AM |
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Here's more on Ney by HWSNBN that ties much together.... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-20-06 02:30 AM |
#48 |

This looks very interesting, isn't Hastert going down? |
AntiFascist |
Oct-20-06 07:50 AM |
#49 |

grossman and 911 |
lukery |
Oct-19-06 07:29 PM |
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new post - part 6 |
lukery |
Oct-20-06 09:05 PM |
#55 |

Hastert received suitcases of cash, should be in jail |
lukery |
Oct-21-06 09:06 PM |
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That doesn't seem right. |
bleever |
Oct-21-06 10:05 PM |
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there's something about it |
lukery |
Oct-22-06 02:06 AM |
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