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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 08:36 AM
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15. One phrase and people get it: "Rights Not Judicially Enforceable"
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 08:37 AM by pat_k
You don't need to be a lawyer to be horrified by this one. It is simple.

  1. Every instance of person thoughout this document is qualified in some manner, except ONE.

    For example, we see
    ". . .person who has engaged in hostilities. . ."
    ". . .person who is part of the Taliban. . ."
    ". . .persons who are authorized to detail such counsel for such commissions. . ."
    ". . .person subject to chapter 47 of. . ."
    ". . .person accused of torture. . ."
    ". . .person subject to this chapter. . ."
    ". . .such persons. . ."

    The exception is the provision that STRIPS us of our right to enforce our rights.

    • Final version
      (Enrolled Bill) as passed by both Houses

      SEC. 5. TREATY OBLIGATIONS NOT ESTABLISHING GROUNDS FOR CERTAIN CLAIMS.
      (a) In General- No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories.

      To view the bill search at http://thomas.loc.gov (enter "S.3930.ENR" and select the Bill Number radio button. The printer friendly version is easiest to search)


    • Original
      White House version
      SEC. 6. SATISFACTION OF TREATY OBLIGATIONS.
      (b) RIGHTS NOT JUDICIALLY ENFORCEABLE.— (1) IN GENERAL.—No person in any habeas action or any other action may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto as a source of rights, whether directly or indirectly, for any purpose in any court of the United States or its States or territories. . .

      http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/nkk/documents/Mil...


  2. The phrase: "RIGHTS NOT JUDICIALLY ENFORCEABLE."

    The phrase itself demonstrates a recognition that rights actually existed, and the intent to violate those rights through non-enforcement.

    Yes. It is just that simple.

    Case Closed on the newly inaugurated War Criminal Nation.

If they are Rights they Cannot be Unenforceable.

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  - Wonderful. . .MSNBC needs to hear our cheers  pat_k   Oct-18-06 06:03 PM   #6 
  - Sheesh. It's never the electorate's fault...  BlooInBloo   Oct-18-06 05:41 PM   #2 
  - Recruiting citizen lobbyists and developing the tools that can make them.  pat_k   Oct-18-06 05:58 PM   #4 
  - Blaming the victims who are allowed no voice and no representation.  shance   Oct-18-06 05:48 PM   #3 
  - What are you referring to? Turley's comments? My comments?  pat_k   Oct-18-06 06:01 PM   #5 
     - I think shance is referring to Bush's victims  Canuckistanian   Oct-18-06 06:29 PM   #7 
  - K & R Well said. There are people who have tapped into it, and who have  glitch   Oct-18-06 06:37 PM   #8 
  - Actually, the public square is a "conference call" of sorts. . .  pat_k   Oct-18-06 09:44 PM   #14 
  - The yawn is the media's yawn.  SmokingJacket   Oct-18-06 06:41 PM   #9 
  - Most Americans do not believe that this will effect them.  Disturbed   Oct-18-06 06:46 PM   #10 
  - When people we know start disappearing  C_U_L8R   Oct-18-06 06:48 PM   #11 
  - Well, they need to be educated, because it will affect them.  SmokingJacket   Oct-18-06 06:59 PM   #12 
  - Yes, the state of "journalistm is appalling, but "education" isn't . . .  pat_k   Oct-19-06 08:58 AM   #17 
  - One phrase and people get it: "Rights Not Judicially Enforceable"  pat_k   Oct-19-06 08:36 AM   #15 
  - There is no doubt that the outrage is all around us. And the speed. . .  pat_k   Oct-19-06 08:48 AM   #16 
  - This is the most grave issue confronting us all.  chill_wind   Oct-18-06 08:37 PM   #13 
     - Come one come all!!! Get out your Cluesticks. . .  pat_k   Oct-19-06 09:09 AM   #18 
 

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