Tansy_Gold
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Sat Oct-14-06 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #22 |
| 26. "Psychopaths" and "family members" |
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I think the distinction is made in the context of crime/violence.
We tend to think of "psychopath" (or sociopath) as one who is seriously mentally ill, who may not have a grasp of reality, who has no real control over her/his actions and/or sees those actions as normal and acceptable and necessary.
And while it's true that every psychopath is still a member of some family, so much of the violence perpetrated against women and girls is done by a member of their own family, and by someone who would not normally (sic) be considered a psychopath, we use the distinction.
Most of the women murdered in this country are killed by someone they know -- family member, boyfriend, husband/ex-husband. Their killers are overwhelmingly male.
Although more men are murdered in this country than women, most of the men are murdered by people with whom they do not have a family or intimate relationship, and most of their killers are male.
Of the men who are killed by women, many have been abusers or have instigated violence that escalates to killing "in self defense". Women who kill men in the context of abusive intimate relationships tend to be convicted at higher rates and receive longer prison sentences than men who kill women with whom they have had intimate relationships.
There are exceptions to the above, but statistically, the overwhelming percentage of violences is male-to-female.
About 30 years ago, a friend of mine killed his wife. All of us thought, because he had kind of a warped sense of humor and she was so quiet and unassuming, that he had been the aggressor. But it turned out that there had been a long history of "domestic disturbances," and it was the wife who was the abuser. The killing was not pre-meditated; it occurred when she attacked him with a large kitchen knife and in the struggle to get it away from her and protect himself, she was fatally stabbed. He served a brief prison sentence and did not appeal his conviction (manslaughter?? I don't remember the details) because he felt he was partly to blame for not making sure she got the mental health care she needed.
Tansy Gold
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| -Another opportunity for non-violent discussion of gender violence |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 12:32 AM |
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Most excellent. |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-14-06 12:34 AM |
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Bless you |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 12:42 AM |
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I have to share a story |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-14-06 12:50 AM |
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You were in the right place at the right time |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 12:54 AM |
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you approve of this unequal treatment? |
hfojvt |
Oct-14-06 12:05 PM |
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Seems odd, doesn't it? |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 02:04 PM |
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who is Tansy Gold? Another Kitty Genovese? |
hfojvt |
Oct-14-06 03:00 PM |
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You just had to be there |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-14-06 02:05 PM |
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I was taught to |
hfojvt |
Oct-14-06 02:24 PM |
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Well I live in a very redneck part of Texas |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-14-06 02:27 PM |
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your post here scares me |
cally |
Oct-14-06 08:40 PM |
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When I read that |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 09:09 PM |
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actually I was kinda the other way |
hfojvt |
Oct-15-06 05:27 AM |
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Point well taken. That's another way of looking at schoolyard society |
omega minimo |
Oct-15-06 10:41 AM |
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Here's my story: |
Bonobo |
Oct-16-06 12:30 PM |
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Please take out the "white" from the "angry white men." |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-06 12:44 AM |
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I know, SR, that jumped out at me too |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 12:57 AM |
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Makes me wonder why Katz put it in there. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-06 01:04 AM |
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Another cliche |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 01:13 AM |
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Color means nothing in regards to misogyny |
alittlelark |
Oct-14-06 02:16 AM |
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Domestic abuse statistics vary by race |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-06 02:53 PM |
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k & r |
melnjones |
Oct-14-06 12:49 AM |
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Ok, Please Provide Us With Your Insights. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Oct-14-06 12:50 AM |
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See post #6 |
alittlelark |
Oct-14-06 02:00 AM |
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Why? It Was Completely Irrelevant. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Oct-14-06 12:19 PM |
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Here's some insight for you: Nobody loves a bully |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 02:17 PM |
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Nice Drama. But No One's Being A Bully. They Are Simple Questions. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Oct-14-06 02:33 PM |
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They are demands, not questions. No, thank you. |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 02:47 PM |
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No, They Are Clearly Questions. Why You Are Avoiding Answering Your Own |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Oct-14-06 03:02 PM |
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This comes across as bullying to me also |
lwfern |
Oct-14-06 03:58 PM |
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Don't Care. They Are Simple Questions. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Oct-14-06 04:16 PM |
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Here's the difference as I see it |
lwfern |
Oct-14-06 04:29 PM |
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Why don't you just let people start their own threads in peace |
Annces |
Oct-14-06 04:34 PM |
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awwwwww...let him stay... |
VelmaD |
Oct-14-06 04:38 PM |
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. |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 05:05 PM |
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"Don't You DARE Tell Me I Am Trying To Dominate!!!!!1!" |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 05:16 PM |
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what's that barking I hear? |
quantessd |
Oct-14-06 05:19 PM |
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Rambo et al have led us here. |
alittlelark |
Oct-14-06 12:51 AM |
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Yeah, the images have gotten extreme |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 01:03 AM |
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You need to understand that misogyny is a cross party issue |
alittlelark |
Oct-14-06 01:37 AM |
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Yes |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 01:45 AM |
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Well done. I have to say, this issue seems to be the biggest blind spot |
snot |
Oct-14-06 01:43 AM |
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Hidden in plain sight |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 01:50 AM |
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K & R |
Nikki Stone 1 |
Oct-14-06 01:43 AM |
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Everyone who cares about this topic should read |
tblue37 |
Oct-14-06 08:36 AM |
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It's so easy to ascribe violence to pathology, but in reality |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-14-06 09:15 AM |
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Just curious--what made him so mad? |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-14-06 09:44 AM |
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Yes, he is more than an obnoxious drunk |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-14-06 10:04 AM |
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A normal but obnoxious guy |
Nobody |
Oct-14-06 02:58 PM |
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"Psychopaths" and "family members" |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-14-06 10:21 AM |
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Excellent post, thanks for sharing. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-14-06 11:14 AM |
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The police should have been called, |
Lars39 |
Oct-14-06 10:35 AM |
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Sounds like everyone's intimidated by that bully |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 02:29 PM |
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That's the kind of thing that pisses me off |
Nobody |
Oct-14-06 02:37 PM |
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For what it's worth, I think you handled that very well. |
ThomCat |
Oct-14-06 02:45 PM |
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Thanks. I'd do it again in a heartbeat |
Nobody |
Oct-14-06 03:11 PM |
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There is an obvious double standard |
ThomCat |
Oct-14-06 03:13 PM |
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If a stranger barged in and sat in your personal space |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 03:25 PM |
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I hate that shit too. |
distantearlywarning |
Oct-14-06 05:33 PM |
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After the self defense is conditioned out of women |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 07:39 PM |
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I just can't stand coddling fragile egos |
Nobody |
Oct-14-06 11:07 PM |
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Oh yes, the male ego, the precious little male ego |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-16-06 11:40 AM |
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This subject is something we are all enveloped in |
Annces |
Oct-14-06 09:32 AM |
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Thats the thing about katz, you have to edit him to make him palatable. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-14-06 09:53 AM |
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A little bit about Jackson Katz, the author |
Annces |
Oct-14-06 10:09 AM |
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Here's what distresses me about this persistent conversation. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-14-06 11:01 AM |
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I for one would not hold you or any other individual man |
Annces |
Oct-14-06 11:20 AM |
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Yes, the attitudes of men who say "I'm not like that" |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-14-06 03:58 PM |
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"Patriarchy, however, is a sword that cuts two ways" |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 01:21 PM |
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Finding a non-combative way to have this conversation... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-14-06 03:04 PM |
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I see the dilemma you find yourself in |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 08:07 PM |
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I myself refuse to by-stand |
undergroundpanther |
Oct-14-06 10:28 PM |
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You go, UGP |
omega minimo |
Oct-15-06 12:01 AM |
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Let's look at the "male escort" phenomenon |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-14-06 11:39 AM |
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A woman who is not obviously any man's "property" is fair game. |
Scout |
Oct-14-06 12:26 PM |
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Another problem with patriarchy, |
raccoon |
Oct-16-06 12:19 PM |
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3/5 of a person? A non-entity? Invisible? |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 12:48 PM |
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We attempt to control nature |
NoMoreMyths |
Oct-14-06 02:39 PM |
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Thanks for that link! |
Karenina |
Oct-14-06 03:34 PM |
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A Total, General Attitude of Bigotry |
Hidden Stillness |
Oct-14-06 03:22 PM |
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Thank you for mentioning Olbermann in this context |
lwfern |
Oct-14-06 04:07 PM |
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The first time that happened, I was shocked |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-06 04:12 PM |
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Violence against women |
Karenina |
Oct-14-06 05:18 PM |
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men TALK, women LISTEN |
bobbieinok |
Oct-16-06 01:20 PM |
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Must be why women are so much better at listening |
omega minimo |
Oct-16-06 01:47 PM |
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Excellent post - Thank you. |
smirkymonkey |
Oct-15-06 11:26 AM |
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and unmolested! |
omega minimo |
Oct-15-06 11:50 AM |
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We men have ab inherent unearned privelage |
Dragonbreathp9d |
Oct-14-06 03:52 PM |
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Hey! |
undergroundpanther |
Oct-15-06 12:45 AM |
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I sometimes feel like more of a feminist |
Dragonbreathp9d |
Oct-15-06 07:11 PM |
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You're suffering from the backlash to very thing you support: |
lukasahero |
Oct-16-06 09:18 AM |
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kick |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-15-06 12:20 PM |
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Well, almost |
omega minimo |
Oct-15-06 12:32 PM |
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Being non-violent goes against mans basic nature. |
Rex |
Oct-15-06 07:19 PM |
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I really can't answer your questions, |
SimpleTrend |
Oct-15-06 08:17 PM |
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