| 81. The IWR was NOT a vote for war |
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Kerry spoke out against the war before it started. The vote was in Oct 2002 - the war strated in March 2003. In between the inspectors were all over Iraq, found nothing and even got Saddam to destroy some missiles. Bush said in the weeks before the vote that the vote was not a vote for war, but a vote to show that the country was united behind Bush as he went to the UN.
Bush lied, Kerry admits he was wrong to trust Bush. The fact is Bush would have attacked with or without the IWR and the IWR would have passed without John Kerry's vote. At worse, Kerry made a judgement error trusting that the President would act as he promised. He did not EVER support going to war when Bush did - it did not meet his view of a just war.
He has worked as hard as anyone to push resolving the war.
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| -I voted for Bush in 2000; now I'm a Democrat... Here's why |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:15 AM |
#0 |
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I see that you've been here awhile........... |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Oct-13-06 01:24 AM |
#1 |
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I'm an example of where the country went wrong |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:26 AM |
#3 |
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I hope you can be an example of that too....... |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Oct-13-06 01:31 AM |
#6 |
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Larry Grant is running for Congress |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:37 AM |
#9 |
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That is good to hear! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Oct-13-06 01:44 AM |
#15 |
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I just gots to know... |
The Backlash Cometh |
Oct-13-06 07:41 AM |
#62 |
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My dad is a Liberal |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 01:49 PM |
#125 |
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You are definitely an example of where a country went wrong |
Toots |
Oct-13-06 08:21 AM |
#68 |
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I have mixed views about swing voter converts. |
liberaldemocrat7 |
Oct-14-06 09:56 AM |
#123 |
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That's not what a true fiscal conservative should believe |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:00 PM |
#126 |
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Those are all solid progressive positions. |
sandyd921 |
Oct-14-06 09:20 PM |
#155 |
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Well, lucky for us you're not the official Democratic party door greeter. |
bling bling |
Oct-14-06 09:47 PM |
#157 |
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You don't have to be anti-safety net to be a fiscal conservative. |
tasteblind |
Oct-15-06 12:04 AM |
#169 |
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Amen and amen!!! |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 02:55 AM |
#173 |
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I can forgive Bush 2000 voters |
Ignacio Upton |
Oct-13-06 01:26 AM |
#2 |
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Forgiveness is all I can hope for |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:29 AM |
#4 |
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You're forgiven.. |
zidzi |
Oct-14-06 03:52 PM |
#147 |
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You're a better man than I, Gunga Din. Republicans , then and now, |
WinkyDink |
Oct-13-06 08:25 AM |
#69 |
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Welcome to the party of liberals AND Goldwater conservatives! |
tblue |
Oct-13-06 01:30 AM |
#5 |
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I'm also a fiscal conservative |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:33 AM |
#7 |
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Yes, indeed. We like lower taxes - but not for the people who can afford |
kysrsoze |
Oct-13-06 01:44 AM |
#14 |
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And we don't believe in shifting the tax burden down to the poorest |
tblue |
Oct-13-06 02:07 AM |
#23 |
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You'd be surprised at how many of us are socially |
tblue37 |
Oct-13-06 02:58 PM |
#97 |
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Fiscal Responsibility and Fairness - |
we can do it |
Oct-14-06 08:19 AM |
#119 |
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So is Al Gore. Anyone doubting that should read |
Lorien |
Oct-15-06 08:56 AM |
#184 |
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Yo, Joe. |
babylonsister |
Oct-13-06 01:35 AM |
#8 |
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No! I always hated Rush |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:41 AM |
#12 |
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I consider enlightened to be educated and evolved. |
babylonsister |
Oct-13-06 01:45 AM |
#16 |
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Dear Joe in Idaho - What a WONDERFUL post!!! |
calimary |
Oct-13-06 01:38 AM |
#10 |
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Thanks, Calimary! |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:49 AM |
#19 |
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You're gushing. Do we have any standards as dems? |
terip64 |
Oct-13-06 08:38 AM |
#75 |
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THat's a pretty |
zidzi |
Oct-14-06 04:04 PM |
#148 |
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Use to be........ |
Keepontruking |
Oct-13-06 01:39 AM |
#11 |
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Hey, Joe. Why would you ever go back across the aisle? |
kysrsoze |
Oct-13-06 01:41 AM |
#13 |
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I guess it's my independent spirit |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:46 AM |
#18 |
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I wouldn't vote for a republican, any republican if he/she were the only |
Blue State Native |
Oct-13-06 08:04 AM |
#65 |
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Then you are an absolutist |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:39 PM |
#140 |
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Call me what you will, I will never vote for a republican, EVER! Period! |
Blue State Native |
Oct-14-06 08:23 PM |
#151 |
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I just called you what you were... |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 02:58 AM |
#174 |
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You'd switch back to Republicanism, exactly why? |
crim son |
Oct-14-06 08:56 PM |
#154 |
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Nope, what I'm saying |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 02:50 AM |
#172 |
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You mean "repuke"? Sorry; it's habit. |
crim son |
Oct-15-06 10:12 AM |
#186 |
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I think more and more people are coming to your position |
still_one |
Oct-13-06 01:46 AM |
#17 |
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They took fiscal conservatives like myself for granted for years |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 01:54 AM |
#20 |
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good, tell us more |
marions ghost |
Oct-13-06 08:43 AM |
#78 |
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Don't get this one, Is it a typo? |
kster |
Oct-13-06 02:03 AM |
#21 |
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I keep hearing that from him |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 02:11 AM |
#24 |
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Oct-13-06 02:59 AM |
#33 |
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Sure. |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 03:31 AM |
#36 |
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Read his speech given at NYU |
karynnj |
Oct-13-06 08:37 AM |
#73 |
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Oct-13-06 08:47 AM |
#80 |
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If you keep hearing that NOW, you must have stopped |
Mass |
Oct-13-06 06:26 AM |
#46 |
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Huh??? |
MH1 |
Oct-14-06 08:19 AM |
#118 |
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"fool me once, shame on... uh, won't get fooled again." - GWB |
greeneyedboy |
Oct-13-06 02:06 AM |
#22 |
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Fahrenheit 9/11 is one of the things that turned me around. |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 02:12 AM |
#25 |
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Oct-13-06 08:03 PM |
#99 |
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actually, I think his exact words were... |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 06:48 AM |
#52 |
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! |
seasonedblue |
Oct-14-06 05:06 PM |
#150 |
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I welcome you, too, Joe. |
evlbstrd |
Oct-13-06 02:13 AM |
#26 |
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We will have two years of a lame duck president |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 02:20 AM |
#28 |
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No -- Impeachment is Required |
Senator |
Oct-13-06 04:33 AM |
#38 |
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Booosh AND Cheney |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-13-06 06:32 AM |
#47 |
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I doubt they're going to be impeached... |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 06:50 AM |
#54 |
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This has been exactly my point on this issue. |
drm604 |
Oct-13-06 08:34 AM |
#72 |
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I say Impeach both just because it is the right thing to do |
hogwyld |
Oct-14-06 12:09 AM |
#107 |
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Yes. That would be fine |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-14-06 07:02 AM |
#110 |
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you said |
marions ghost |
Oct-13-06 08:47 AM |
#79 |
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Impeaching Bush isn't about "seizing power" |
LunaC |
Oct-13-06 02:18 AM |
#27 |
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Whether it is or it isn't... |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 05:52 AM |
#41 |
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Never underestimate the wrath of the American people |
LunaC |
Oct-13-06 06:16 AM |
#44 |
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Yes, but you have to look at where that wrath is coming from... |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 06:36 AM |
#48 |
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I agree with you |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-13-06 06:58 AM |
#57 |
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Sadly, I am more pessimistic about this. |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 07:04 AM |
#58 |
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I will join you |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-13-06 07:31 AM |
#60 |
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It's more than just a failure of policy from the pRresident |
LunaC |
Oct-13-06 01:13 PM |
#91 |
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Oct-13-06 05:22 PM |
#98 |
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Oct-14-06 05:24 AM |
#109 |
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And given the dismal lack |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-14-06 07:12 AM |
#111 |
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FYI - "political reality" and support for impeachment |
LunaC |
Oct-14-06 03:06 PM |
#142 |
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I'm from TX and understand your delimma. |
keopeli |
Oct-13-06 02:24 AM |
#29 |
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What's tragic is that you're one honest man among |
wiley |
Oct-13-06 02:32 AM |
#30 |
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perhaps. |
Lexingtonian |
Oct-13-06 02:41 AM |
#31 |
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I mean "strong" in the sense of firm. |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-13-06 03:33 AM |
#37 |
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Oct-13-06 02:56 AM |
#32 |
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Deleted message |
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Oct-13-06 03:28 AM |
#35 |
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At least she was able to support Democrats for longer than you. |
Mass |
Oct-13-06 06:16 AM |
#43 |
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You know... |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 06:47 AM |
#51 |
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May be, but newcomers knowing better than everybody are irritating. |
Mass |
Oct-13-06 06:50 AM |
#55 |
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I'm not asking you to say that everything he says is right. |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 07:05 AM |
#59 |
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nope |
JI7 |
Oct-13-06 11:42 PM |
#105 |
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I'm not exactly a newbie... |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:40 PM |
#141 |
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Oct-13-06 08:40 AM |
#77 |
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He has a point. |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 12:50 PM |
#88 |
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Oct-13-06 02:00 PM |
#92 |
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only tiresome to those with an agenda and don't want to face the truth |
JI7 |
Oct-13-06 11:30 PM |
#102 |
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You should have moved to "planet FUCKING REALITY" before 2000 n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-13-06 06:43 AM |
#49 |
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Yep, and that was the entire point of my post |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:09 PM |
#127 |
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This thread isn't about your past mistakes; it's about criticizing |
ProSense |
Oct-14-06 08:47 PM |
#153 |
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I think I explained pretty well the virtues |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 03:06 AM |
#175 |
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So...no one new can vote Dem after Nov. 2000, great idea. |
spoony |
Oct-14-06 03:11 PM |
#143 |
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Did I say that? Claiming to |
ProSense |
Oct-14-06 08:34 PM |
#152 |
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No you didn't say that |
spoony |
Oct-15-06 01:19 AM |
#171 |
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Oct-13-06 08:39 AM |
#76 |
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The IWR was NOT a vote for war |
karynnj |
Oct-13-06 08:48 AM |
#81 |
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I would suggest you take a look at the whole issue of corporate personhood |
kgfnally |
Oct-13-06 03:01 AM |
#34 |
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Glad you managed to wade through the rhetoric |
democrank |
Oct-13-06 04:35 AM |
#39 |
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Will we get back our Bill of Rights? |
PADemD |
Oct-13-06 05:39 AM |
#40 |
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No. |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 06:51 AM |
#56 |
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If you voted for Bush, you have no excuse. What did you vote in 04? |
Mass |
Oct-13-06 06:11 AM |
#42 |
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I pretty much agree.. |
sendero |
Oct-13-06 06:25 AM |
#45 |
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How did you vote (if you voted) in 2004, and why? |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Oct-13-06 06:47 AM |
#50 |
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I voted, campaigned for, and strongly supported |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:11 PM |
#128 |
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And if the Dems become corrupted by the shift in power... |
rucky |
Oct-13-06 06:49 AM |
#53 |
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"Stop the partisanship." ca-huck. Did Bush really say that? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Oct-13-06 07:31 AM |
#61 |
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you're still wrong |
tomp |
Oct-13-06 07:55 AM |
#63 |
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Joe, they have 2 years to work your list. If not enough results, IMO we'l |
elehhhhna |
Oct-13-06 07:56 AM |
#64 |
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You won't get a "Welcome" message from me |
matcom |
Oct-13-06 08:09 AM |
#66 |
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I can understand thinking that about... |
yibbehobba |
Oct-13-06 08:33 AM |
#70 |
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What about philosophically? How do you feel about welfare and |
terip64 |
Oct-13-06 08:14 AM |
#67 |
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I'm extremely socially liberal |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:17 PM |
#129 |
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"I may vote for a Republican.... it's about responsibility" - 'nuff said. |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-14-06 02:35 PM |
#138 |
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'nuff said - regarding what? |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:37 PM |
#139 |
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As liberal as you are the repubs don't want you, but we'll keep you! |
terip64 |
Oct-14-06 04:54 PM |
#149 |
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Ummmm...I didn't get the memo that YOU get to decide who's in or out. |
bling bling |
Oct-14-06 10:01 PM |
#159 |
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Thanks, bling bling! |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 03:23 AM |
#176 |
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One more thing, did you ever see the Quiet Man? |
terip64 |
Oct-15-06 09:21 AM |
#185 |
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Let me tell you how the scene ends... |
terip64 |
Oct-15-06 10:30 AM |
#187 |
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Do me a favor, EOC |
bling bling |
Oct-15-06 11:35 AM |
#188 |
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I didn't get the memo where you get to decide who is a decent American |
terip64 |
Oct-16-06 08:09 PM |
#191 |
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Power trip, I don't think so. Snobby, hmm, no, again. 10 years old, maybe |
terip64 |
Oct-15-06 08:25 AM |
#182 |
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When were Republicans ever fiscally responsible? |
devilgrrl |
Oct-13-06 08:33 AM |
#71 |
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In The 1920's |
ProfessorGAC |
Oct-13-06 08:38 AM |
#74 |
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I love that you have go back 80+ years to find anything positive... |
devilgrrl |
Oct-13-06 09:09 AM |
#82 |
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Forgiven! I Think You Didn't Notice I'm Agreeing With You! |
ProfessorGAC |
Oct-13-06 10:49 AM |
#86 |
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I was thinking today |
marions ghost |
Oct-13-06 09:18 AM |
#84 |
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One of the last projects VP Gore did |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-14-06 07:32 AM |
#115 |
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good example... |
marions ghost |
Oct-14-06 08:41 AM |
#121 |
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If you are for real |
marions ghost |
Oct-13-06 09:11 AM |
#83 |
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They have nothing to offer |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:20 PM |
#130 |
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Buddy, the GOP was in power since 1994, that's 12 years |
IronLionZion |
Oct-13-06 09:58 AM |
#85 |
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So did you used to go by the name IntelligentDesignOrResign? ;) |
cui bono |
Oct-13-06 12:01 PM |
#87 |
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It'll only happen when the majority of people in this country speak out |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Oct-13-06 12:55 PM |
#89 |
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I appreciate your honesty |
proud patriot |
Oct-13-06 01:00 PM |
#90 |
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Whoa... |
MH1 |
Oct-14-06 08:24 AM |
#120 |
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Oops, you caught me |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:24 PM |
#132 |
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Yep, caught you in a lie. |
MH1 |
Oct-14-06 02:31 PM |
#134 |
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You didn't catch me in a lie |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:34 PM |
#137 |
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"or being totally oblivious to the facts" |
MH1 |
Oct-14-06 03:38 PM |
#145 |
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Are you calling me a liar? |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 03:28 AM |
#177 |
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On the question of whether we will stop corruption even |
LetsGoMurphys |
Oct-13-06 02:24 PM |
#93 |
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Welcome! |
tlsmith1963 |
Oct-13-06 02:30 PM |
#94 |
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Don't worry about impeachment! If Congress investigates Iraq, |
ProSense |
Oct-13-06 02:47 PM |
#95 |
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Fascism is what the stolen elections have brought us, Joe. |
bobthedrummer |
Oct-13-06 02:52 PM |
#96 |
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I have allot more respect for Perot now than in the 90's.. |
flaminbats |
Oct-13-06 09:33 PM |
#100 |
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I made a vow to not vote for a 'R' for 20 years |
Autonomy |
Oct-13-06 11:18 PM |
#101 |
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i have never been an ignorant Bush voter |
JI7 |
Oct-13-06 11:34 PM |
#103 |
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I never said what my "agenda" was |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 03:37 AM |
#178 |
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Thanks for your story Joe. It is an interesting outcome from |
midnight |
Oct-13-06 11:37 PM |
#104 |
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well |
Skittles |
Oct-14-06 12:05 AM |
#106 |
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I really am disappointed with the reaction this post has received. The man |
MJDuncan1982 |
Oct-14-06 12:14 AM |
#108 |
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The reaction has not been uniform. Also, the OP did NOT say that he |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Oct-14-06 07:19 AM |
#113 |
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I know the reaction has not been uniform. I apologize if I expected an |
MJDuncan1982 |
Oct-14-06 09:52 AM |
#122 |
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Just so you know |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:26 PM |
#133 |
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Apparently grudges are more important than progress to some n/t |
spoony |
Oct-14-06 03:14 PM |
#144 |
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SANITY!! THANK YOU THANK YOU!! |
bling bling |
Oct-14-06 10:13 PM |
#160 |
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What about your "self-righteous, holier than thou, indignant attitude"? |
ProSense |
Oct-14-06 10:30 PM |
#161 |
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What about it? |
bling bling |
Oct-14-06 10:51 PM |
#163 |
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I would welcome a vote from the wingnutiest wingnut! |
ProSense |
Oct-14-06 11:10 PM |
#164 |
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Wingnutiest wingnut. |
bling bling |
Oct-14-06 11:39 PM |
#167 |
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Speaking of common sense: |
ProSense |
Oct-14-06 11:19 PM |
#165 |
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I'm not really sure why you are responding to me. |
bling bling |
Oct-14-06 11:48 PM |
#168 |
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If the Original Poster is still reading this thread... what was it that |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Oct-14-06 07:17 AM |
#112 |
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This is one of those strawmen post! |
ProSense |
Oct-14-06 08:10 AM |
#116 |
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It was actually 9/11 |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:32 PM |
#135 |
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YES! |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-14-06 07:22 AM |
#114 |
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Welcome to both of you, and there must be a way to change that |
Amonester |
Oct-15-06 12:27 AM |
#170 |
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I agree the 'internets' have |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-15-06 08:48 AM |
#183 |
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to not have seen bush coming in 2000 is a source of peculiarity... |
bridgit |
Oct-14-06 08:16 AM |
#117 |
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So, in other words, you weren't paying attention. You were listening to |
leesa |
Oct-14-06 10:04 AM |
#124 |
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Wasn't that my point? |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 03:56 AM |
#180 |
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Hmm. You call the party in power money hungry yet you voted for them |
TheGoldenRule |
Oct-14-06 02:22 PM |
#131 |
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So I'm not welcome here? |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-14-06 02:33 PM |
#136 |
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I didn't say that. |
TheGoldenRule |
Oct-14-06 03:47 PM |
#146 |
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I can just hope that my |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Oct-15-06 03:48 AM |
#179 |
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I'm not perfect and I'm not a christian. |
TheGoldenRule |
Oct-15-06 02:21 PM |
#189 |
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Oct-14-06 09:31 PM |
#156 |
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Congrats |
FredScuttle |
Oct-14-06 09:55 PM |
#158 |
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I would like this a lot. |
Cleita |
Oct-14-06 10:36 PM |
#162 |
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Welcome to the party! |
RadiDem |
Oct-14-06 11:24 PM |
#166 |
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and it's gonna be some party !! :-) |
Ms. November |
Oct-16-06 10:56 PM |
#192 |
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I used to be a Republican too |
Raine |
Oct-15-06 04:03 AM |
#181 |
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I'll welcome you if no one else will |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-15-06 02:52 PM |
#190 |
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