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Mon Oct-09-06 03:50 PM
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| 64. I think the notion of a closet is tragic. |
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Closted gay republicans seem to me to be the muse of a modern Shakespeare. Tragic but perhaps a good source of comedy upon outing. The hypocracy is perhaps the only thing that makes it worth it. Then again the whole notion of the closet results from power and oppression in the first place; it seems there is no easy way out. Stay in and suppress aspects of yourself; come out and risk losing other aspects of yourself (job, friends, family, etc).... to mention the least consequential.
I do say that the Magistrate's opinion above is pretty good strategically for the g/l/b/t movement in general. Log Cabiners are to the g/l/b/t community what SCABS are to the labor movement.
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| -Let's discuss the morality of outing in the closet gay men and women |
cally |
Oct-09-06 01:46 PM |
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I don't think we should out anyone who isn't a public figure and who |
Midlodemocrat |
Oct-09-06 01:48 PM |
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100% agree. n/t |
DURHAM D |
Oct-09-06 01:49 PM |
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How do you define hypocrite on this issue? |
cally |
Oct-09-06 01:50 PM |
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Well, in an obvious way. |
Midlodemocrat |
Oct-09-06 01:54 PM |
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But who are we to decide? |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-09-06 05:20 PM |
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What about staffers? |
Nabeshin |
Oct-09-06 02:16 PM |
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Agreed...nt |
cally |
Oct-09-06 02:26 PM |
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I agree. It's the hypocrisy more than the sexuality. |
Midlodemocrat |
Oct-09-06 02:29 PM |
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Out ALL Hypocrites In Positions Of Power... EVERYWHERE !!! |
WillyT |
Oct-09-06 01:48 PM |
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Yup -- if they tout "Christian values" but sleep around -- OUT THEM |
LostinVA |
Oct-10-06 01:49 PM |
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This is a contentious subject |
bryant69 |
Oct-09-06 01:49 PM |
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Because a person's sexuality is only the business of that person |
ContraBass Black |
Oct-09-06 01:50 PM |
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I struggle with that. On one hand I agree with you, but |
Midlodemocrat |
Oct-09-06 01:52 PM |
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Even if the public office holder or staff person advocates |
cally |
Oct-09-06 01:55 PM |
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I Have To Agree with You On This - and Include Those Damn TeleEvanaglists |
we can do it |
Oct-09-06 04:00 PM |
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wrong |
dwickham |
Oct-09-06 02:52 PM |
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I agree. Someone's sexuality is their business alone. |
guinivere |
Oct-09-06 05:28 PM |
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They make it everyone's business when they attack someone else's orientati |
LostinVA |
Oct-10-06 01:51 PM |
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I think outing is ALWAYS a bad thing |
Juniperx |
Oct-09-06 01:54 PM |
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Part of me thinks if we outed all the hypocrites |
Midlodemocrat |
Oct-09-06 01:57 PM |
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But can you separate the hypocritical aspect from the gay aspect |
Juniperx |
Oct-09-06 02:08 PM |
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I think the hypocrisy is a bigger issue than their sexuality. |
Midlodemocrat |
Oct-09-06 02:13 PM |
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If people want to be quiet about their lives, they are well advised |
mondo joe |
Oct-09-06 04:04 PM |
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Oh, it is very different |
Juniperx |
Oct-10-06 01:34 PM |
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To the contrary: many secrets are not illegal. |
mondo joe |
Oct-10-06 01:38 PM |
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None of those areas have a mass quantity of people |
Juniperx |
Oct-10-06 03:06 PM |
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I think that, too |
LostinVA |
Oct-10-06 01:52 PM |
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I'm not sure if we'll win rights for gays and lesbians until |
cally |
Oct-09-06 01:58 PM |
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That gives people the ok to use sexuality as a weapon |
Juniperx |
Oct-09-06 02:10 PM |
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OK, I mostly agree. So how should Dems counter the argument |
cally |
Oct-09-06 02:15 PM |
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That argument is a straw man |
Juniperx |
Oct-09-06 02:36 PM |
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Not using sexuality as a weapon |
Time for change |
Oct-09-06 02:28 PM |
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I see it like the torture issue |
Juniperx |
Oct-09-06 02:32 PM |
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Suppose that Pat Robertson was elected president of the U.S. |
Time for change |
Oct-09-06 04:41 PM |
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Strom Thurmond is a good case in point. |
mondo joe |
Oct-09-06 04:46 PM |
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I don't think that's the same thing |
Juniperx |
Oct-10-06 01:28 PM |
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Whether it's a negative or not is in the eye of the beholder. |
mondo joe |
Oct-10-06 01:36 PM |
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If it were all so simple, the term "spin" would not exist eom |
Juniperx |
Oct-10-06 02:56 PM |
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Outing gays feels like anti-gay rhetoric to me eom |
Juniperx |
Oct-10-06 01:25 PM |
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So do you object to revealing anything about a candidate they |
mondo joe |
Oct-10-06 01:28 PM |
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No |
Juniperx |
Oct-10-06 01:30 PM |
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How do you square that with the idea of a free press, |
mondo joe |
Oct-10-06 01:33 PM |
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Sexual orientation should not be a concern to anyone |
Juniperx |
Oct-10-06 02:58 PM |
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It is sometimes OK to out a gay politician, IMHO |
SteppingRazor |
Oct-09-06 01:57 PM |
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That's how I feel. It's more an issue of hypocrisy. |
Midlodemocrat |
Oct-09-06 01:57 PM |
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This total queer agrees with everything you've said on this thread. nt |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-09-06 03:53 PM |
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Gay Republicans are complicit in the genocide of their own people |
IanDB1 |
Oct-09-06 01:57 PM |
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Who is that? If it wouldn't harm them by posting a link then |
cally |
Oct-09-06 02:00 PM |
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Pedophiles and pederasts, yes, homosexuals, NO! |
liberalmuse |
Oct-09-06 01:59 PM |
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Why do you feel it's "our" decision on whether to out someone? |
walldude |
Oct-09-06 01:59 PM |
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I don't agree for public figures |
cally |
Oct-09-06 02:05 PM |
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This is a tough call no doubt, |
walldude |
Oct-09-06 02:22 PM |
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I absolutely have no clue |
cally |
Oct-09-06 03:37 PM |
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What about Santorum's staff? Like his director of communications? |
Garbo 2004 |
Oct-09-06 05:26 PM |
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It's the hypocrisy |
warrens |
Oct-09-06 01:59 PM |
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It's no one's business |
WolverineDG |
Oct-09-06 01:59 PM |
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What happens when they got elected because the Repugs put |
cally |
Oct-09-06 02:07 PM |
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I had someone "out" another person |
WolverineDG |
Oct-09-06 02:49 PM |
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Yeah, I think we need to define the boundaries. |
cally |
Oct-09-06 03:39 PM |
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Why? What else do you think politicians should have the right to |
mondo joe |
Oct-09-06 04:08 PM |
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In My View, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-09-06 01:59 PM |
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I have a hard time agreeing with this... |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 02:18 PM |
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The Harm, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-09-06 02:36 PM |
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It's better to encourage them to come out... |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 04:12 PM |
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Better To Do Harm To Them, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-09-06 04:36 PM |
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And by declaring war on your enemies you are also... |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 04:45 PM |
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That Is True, Ma'am, And It Does Not Trouble Me |
The Magistrate |
Oct-09-06 04:47 PM |
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Necessary when people don't do what we want them to do... |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 04:53 PM |
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That Is What Conflict Is About, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-09-06 05:13 PM |
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There are some anti-choicers who feel the same way about abortion... |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 05:21 PM |
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Where do you draw the line? And what evidence do you require? |
onenote |
Oct-10-06 02:32 PM |
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Same lines as any other issue. No double standard needed. |
mondo joe |
Oct-10-06 02:35 PM |
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can you elaborate? |
onenote |
Oct-10-06 02:37 PM |
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There is no single standard for any reporting regarding |
mondo joe |
Oct-10-06 03:06 PM |
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the press generally doesn't report on staffers about anything |
onenote |
Oct-10-06 03:32 PM |
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Outing a few world-class hypocrites (gay Republicans who promote |
Raksha |
Oct-10-06 02:03 PM |
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Everyone should be outed |
slaveplanet |
Oct-09-06 02:16 PM |
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That standard makes sense to me |
cally |
Oct-09-06 02:24 PM |
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A case in point |
slaveplanet |
Oct-09-06 02:44 PM |
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If they use their position to support/endorse/pass an anti-gay agenda... |
Zhade |
Oct-09-06 02:16 PM |
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Rebuplicans run on people's hatred of us. I feel no shame in outing |
beyurslf |
Oct-09-06 02:17 PM |
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I'm not gay, but I'm 100% with you on this. If they want to stay closeted |
Kahuna |
Oct-09-06 02:24 PM |
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I dislike Republicans in general, but I cannot stand gay Republicans. |
beyurslf |
Oct-09-06 02:34 PM |
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If you're going to make life harder for people becuase they're gay, |
Red Right and BLUE |
Oct-09-06 02:21 PM |
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I think it is right in some circumstances |
Time for change |
Oct-09-06 02:23 PM |
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Who decides when it's right? |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 02:28 PM |
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Who decides when it's right? |
Time for change |
Oct-09-06 04:34 PM |
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So his family should pay for it, too? |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 04:41 PM |
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Not judge jury or executioner. People make their own choices, |
mondo joe |
Oct-09-06 04:44 PM |
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We're setting ourselves up as such by this kind of action... |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 04:51 PM |
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"We" who? We as individuals? The press? |
mondo joe |
Oct-09-06 04:54 PM |
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Majority of people do live a life of double standards... |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 05:01 PM |
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I'm sorry but you seem to have not answered my question. |
mondo joe |
Oct-09-06 05:03 PM |
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The examples I cited are different because for one... |
cynatnite |
Oct-09-06 05:15 PM |
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Unethical by whose standards? |
mondo joe |
Oct-09-06 05:48 PM |
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Not judge, not jury, not executioner |
Time for change |
Oct-09-06 10:15 PM |
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My problem with "outing" at this point |
ismnotwasm |
Oct-09-06 02:26 PM |
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IT WOULDN'T EVEN MATTER |
EC |
Oct-09-06 02:36 PM |
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In the Florida Governor race, Free Republic has already outed |
B Calm |
Oct-09-06 02:40 PM |
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but notice the small amount of replies.. They don't want to hear |
B Calm |
Oct-09-06 02:53 PM |
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If this guy is gay, I hope he wins. |
cat_girl25 |
Oct-09-06 04:28 PM |
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Even members of Freeperville thinks he's gay, he probably is... |
B Calm |
Oct-09-06 04:47 PM |
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If you're in the closet, you have something to hide ->blackmail-able. |
Old and In the Way |
Oct-09-06 02:50 PM |
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Anyone know David Drier's record on gay rights? |
mitchtv |
Oct-09-06 02:58 PM |
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Out 'em all |
union_maid |
Oct-09-06 02:59 PM |
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If some body wants to come out that's their business. |
TX-RAT |
Oct-09-06 03:04 PM |
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unless they used their position to injure fellow gays |
mitchtv |
Oct-09-06 03:58 PM |
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Hypocrisy is part of one's character |
drbtg1 |
Oct-09-06 03:34 PM |
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Assuming we're only talking about *republican* gay folks... |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-09-06 03:41 PM |
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First we have to erase the stigma that CAUSES them to be closeted |
SoCalDem |
Oct-09-06 03:46 PM |
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There's ALREADY a backlash. How can it get worse? |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Oct-09-06 03:46 PM |
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I agree with the gist of your OP. |
AtomicKitten |
Oct-09-06 03:49 PM |
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I think the notion of a closet is tragic. |
izzybeans |
Oct-09-06 03:50 PM |
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I don't regard gay outing as different from any other political outing. |
mondo joe |
Oct-09-06 04:02 PM |
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Projection pervades poltics. |
madmusic |
Oct-09-06 04:24 PM |
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There is no shame in being gay, there is nothing wrong with being gay |
Tyo |
Oct-09-06 05:59 PM |
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BINGO |
LostinVA |
Oct-10-06 01:53 PM |
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I agree that there is nothing wrong with being gay |
onenote |
Oct-10-06 02:36 PM |
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I tend to agree with you |
Tyo |
Oct-10-06 03:22 PM |
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I think that |
warrior1 |
Oct-10-06 01:28 PM |
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If they belong to a party that makes laws against gays -- OUT THEM |
LostinVA |
Oct-10-06 01:48 PM |
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I was outed |
FreeState |
Oct-10-06 02:01 PM |
#110 |
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