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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:50 AM
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103. Agreed it's not about hate
it's more about NOT setting ourselves up for any more abuse. Being EFFECTIVE in dealing with these twisted minds is the goal. You have to meet them on their ground, not expect them to come around just because you explain why they should. We're talking about disrupting negative emotional fixations, where polite logic or common sense approaches just don't work. Tuff Luv has to be very tough.

You said it well here, hsher:

"So I don't hate Republicans, per se. I think they can be dealt with without hatred. We should be exacting and firm with them, and completely ruthless and unrelenting. Just as you'd deal with a known alcoholic family member who's stolen from your purse before. That kind of response. You don't hate them, but you don't leave your purse with them anymore under any circumstances, you assume they are lying because they probably are, and you talk tough to them and back up your words with direct, ruthless, merciless action if they transgress. Only then does the alcoholic bottom out: when there's nobody left to accept his bs anymore, and the free ride runs out. We on the left need to shut our alcoholic opposite party in a small locked room and force them to bottom out. Hate doesn't have to enter that. Dispassion is actually the best policy. Hate only hooks you to their sickness, so avoid it."

Yep.
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  -Are you angry at the Republicans? originalpckelly  Oct-07-06 11:04 PM   #0 
  - Oh bullshit. Anger has helped me survive these nearly six years  lonestarnot   Oct-07-06 11:06 PM   #1 
  - Forgiveness does not mean allowing them to continue...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:09 PM   #5 
  - You're the one talking hate, I just said I was angry. I don't know  lonestarnot   Oct-07-06 11:23 PM   #27 
  - Can you please explain to me how your anger will change the...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:24 PM   #31 
     - Yes for starters, it got about 50 people thinking about events all  lonestarnot   Oct-07-06 11:52 PM   #51 
  - I don't believe that they were "mistakes"  StephenB48   Oct-08-06 08:58 AM   #91 
  - delete - wrong spot  ocelot   Oct-07-06 11:12 PM   #11 
  - yes i hate them. no i dont expect to be forgiving them in this lifetime.  bullimiami   Oct-07-06 11:07 PM   #2 
  - I don't hate all Pubs, but I have to say, for the first time in my life,  napi21   Oct-07-06 11:08 PM   #3 
  - Wow-- neuter much?  Malikshah   Oct-07-06 11:09 PM   #4 
  - No, you are completely wrong...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:12 PM   #12 
     - Uh-- right back at you about the incorrect business...  Malikshah   Oct-07-06 11:24 PM   #29 
        - Anger usually ends in violence...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:28 PM   #36 
           - But I believe that violence is necessary in some circumstances.  Union Thug   Oct-07-06 11:50 PM   # 
              - Strange.  spoony   Oct-08-06 12:24 AM   #70 
  - I don't have much hard feelings to republicans  agincourt   Oct-07-06 11:10 PM   #6 
  - Don't remove the anger- but think clearly. nt  BullGooseLoony   Oct-07-06 11:11 PM   #7 
  - Ashamed to say, yes, I hate them.  graywarrior   Oct-07-06 11:11 PM   #8 
  - let's just bake them cookies and shine their shoes  eShirl   Oct-07-06 11:11 PM   #9 
  - Did I say that? Forgiving someone does not mean giving up...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:14 PM   #15 
  - Did I say anything about wasting energy on anger?  eShirl   Oct-07-06 11:16 PM   #17 
     - Forgiving someone and not being angry at them...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:19 PM   #23 
        - your words  eShirl   Oct-07-06 11:39 PM   #42 
           - I am being quite imprecise...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:44 PM   #47 
              - no, I don't really care if they change their minds or not.  eShirl   Oct-08-06 12:11 AM   #64 
                 - So what do you plan on doing...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 08:13 AM   #83 
                    - so it's either be nice to them or kill them?  eShirl   Oct-08-06 08:26 AM   #84 
                       - If you aren't planning to change their minds...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 08:46 AM   #87 
                          - their grip on power is falling apart without any help  eShirl   Oct-08-06 08:58 AM   #92 
                             - Yes, obviously some people are so consumed...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 09:04 AM   #95 
                                - who said anything about writing off half the country's population?  eShirl   Oct-08-06 09:49 AM   #102 
  - Nice that you equate forgiveness with weakness. n/t  spoony   Oct-08-06 12:27 AM   #72 
  - Abolish the F*cking Party, I say  NEOBuckeye   Oct-07-06 11:12 PM   #10 
  - that would be a BIG improvement  marions ghost   Oct-08-06 12:07 AM   #62 
  - A few of us were discussing this sort of thing this evening  dflprincess   Oct-07-06 11:12 PM   #13 
  - I want to see anyone who has broken the law...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:17 PM   #18 
  - you are operating like a liberal...  marions ghost   Oct-08-06 12:40 AM   #73 
  - If the Dems win, there should be NO bipartisan efforts...  Union Thug   Oct-07-06 11:37 PM   #40 
     - Well you are right about the first part...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:38 PM   #41 
        - Catharsis. n/t  Union Thug   Oct-08-06 12:11 AM   #65 
  - Be NICE to them?  ocelot   Oct-07-06 11:13 PM   #14 
  - The DLC are sellouts, but not because they are "nice"...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:18 PM   #20 
  - I'm pissed as hell at the repukes in D.C.  cynatnite   Oct-07-06 11:15 PM   #16 
  - If I did not love my country,  mmonk   Oct-07-06 11:17 PM   #19 
  - Impeachment is necessary if they have committed crimes...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:21 PM   #25 
     - Not really possible for me.  mmonk   Oct-07-06 11:28 PM   #35 
  - I'm more disgusted with them  judaspriestess   Oct-07-06 11:18 PM   #21 
  - The animosity is ongoing. There are peaks and valleys, but  Union Thug   Oct-07-06 11:19 PM   #22 
  - Ditto ...  cool user name   Oct-07-06 11:23 PM   #28 
  - "Anger is a virtue"  Jcrowley   Oct-07-06 11:21 PM   #24 
  - It is easy to be angry...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:22 PM   #26 
     - Why are you preaching tonight? Church tomorrow?  lonestarnot   Oct-07-06 11:24 PM   #30 
     - I do not attend a church.(nt)  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:29 PM   #37 
     - (shhhhhhhh. don't tell.)  Dem2theMax   Oct-07-06 11:37 PM   #39 
        - I was somewhat inspired by them...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:39 PM   #43 
           - Hey you, nobody said there's a damn thing wrong with forgiveness  lonestarnot   Oct-07-06 11:47 PM   #49 
              - I know, I am strongly suggesting you forgive...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:52 PM   #52 
                 - That's right. You can't make me do anything.  lonestarnot   Oct-07-06 11:57 PM   #54 
                    - Have a good night!  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:58 PM   #56 
                       - Thanks you too.  lonestarnot   Oct-07-06 11:59 PM   #57 
     - Why? Why forgiveness? I'm not trying to be oppositional, I just  Union Thug   Oct-07-06 11:25 PM   #32 
     - You being angry just makes you less happy...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:35 PM   #38 
        - What makes me unhappy is watching these sons of bitches...  Union Thug   Oct-07-06 11:45 PM   #48 
        - So you wouldn't be able to do all those good things...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:54 PM   #53 
           - It's not as simple as you want it to be.  Union Thug   Oct-08-06 12:08 AM   #63 
        - There is a big difference  StephenB48   Oct-08-06 09:11 AM   #96 
     - DUPE_ SELF DELETE  Union Thug   Oct-07-06 11:25 PM   #33 
     - On the contrary  Jcrowley   Oct-07-06 11:27 PM   #34 
  - What would be the point of forgiveness and being the bigger person?  LostInAnomie   Oct-07-06 11:41 PM   #44 
  - We will not let them do that. We will not support their hatred...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:50 PM   #50 
  - You don't seem to understand that it is a battle for hegemony.  LostInAnomie   Oct-08-06 12:22 AM   #69 
     - The rich only have political power because we have let them get it...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 08:38 AM   #85 
        - No....  marions ghost   Oct-08-06 09:37 AM   #101 
        - Who are you trying to kid with this civil rights stuff?  LostInAnomie   Oct-08-06 12:20 PM   #108 
           - You can most easily kill an ideology by convincing...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 01:01 PM   #112 
              - Really?  LostInAnomie   Oct-08-06 02:06 PM   #115 
                 - Half of "gun nuts," as you term us, are NOT repubs...  benEzra   Oct-08-06 03:32 PM   #117 
                    - I didn't realize that Kerry ran on an anti-gun platform.  LostInAnomie   Oct-08-06 04:52 PM   #118 
                       - My point is, why MAKE it an issue?  benEzra   Oct-08-06 05:21 PM   #119 
  - I can totally relate to what you said, but you left something out:  Raksha   Oct-08-06 12:20 AM   #67 
     - My friend are you suggesting that we prevent other people...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 08:50 AM   #88 
     - yes  marions ghost   Oct-08-06 09:29 AM   #98 
  - "everyone understands there is only one America,"  katsy   Oct-07-06 11:42 PM   #45 
  - Well certainly, if you devote your time and get other people...  originalpckelly   Oct-07-06 11:57 PM   #55 
     - I have no problem with what you are saying.  katsy   Oct-08-06 12:06 AM   #60 
        - Absolutely...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 08:52 AM   #89 
  - The irony of course is we sit back and watch the GOPers self destruct.  Rex   Oct-07-06 11:43 PM   #46 
  - You see their anger has been their undoing...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 12:01 AM   #58 
     - Well yes hate is a very strong emotion, but common civility calls upon  Rex   Oct-08-06 12:06 AM   #61 
  - Good night all...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 12:04 AM   #59 
  - What was the name of that movie?  Greatwildbeast   Oct-08-06 12:19 AM   #66 
  - i am angry, i dont hate them or anyone else, and i am so beyond forgiving  seabeyond   Oct-08-06 12:21 AM   #68 
  - I'll never take them at their word again.  zanne   Oct-08-06 07:41 AM   #82 
  - I'm with you.  spoony   Oct-08-06 12:26 AM   #71 
  - I know, the Amish are strange as a culture...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 08:55 AM   #90 
  - I don't hate them per se  hsher   Oct-08-06 12:42 AM   #74 
  - You're not a radical, you're simply hateful.  spoony   Oct-08-06 01:24 AM   #75 
  - Three fingers  hsher   Oct-08-06 02:38 AM   #76 
  - Agreed it's not about hate  marions ghost   Oct-08-06 09:50 AM   #103 
  - I fucking hate all of them. Even republican VOTERS. all are guilty  ComerPerro   Oct-08-06 02:41 AM   #77 
  - Heres a plan  Brian Stevens   Oct-08-06 07:36 AM   #81 
     - LMAO  ComerPerro   Oct-08-06 12:58 PM   #111 
        - They ain't worth the army time. nt  Brian Stevens   Oct-08-06 01:07 PM   #113 
  - Frustrated, yes. But I do truly believe there aint no time to hate.  impeachdubya   Oct-08-06 03:37 AM   #78 
  - I can get along fine  fujiyama   Oct-08-06 05:50 AM   #79 
  - A great many of the Kool Aid drinkers  StephenB48   Oct-08-06 09:30 AM   #99 
  - I forgive easily. I don't forget so easily though n/t  NNN0LHI   Oct-08-06 05:56 AM   #80 
  - Not sure what you mean by forgiveness  FlaGranny   Oct-08-06 08:46 AM   #86 
  - Forgiveness is less about them and more about you...  originalpckelly   Oct-08-06 08:59 AM   #93 
     - Ok you're back? Me too. Now then, this is simply not true either.  lonestarnot   Oct-08-06 09:36 AM   #100 
     - Right  marions ghost   Oct-08-06 10:07 AM   #104 
        - Long long long long way from that!  lonestarnot   Oct-08-06 10:11 AM   #106 
     - Have you ever  marions ghost   Oct-08-06 12:22 PM   #109 
  - Yes but...  Hubert Flottz   Oct-08-06 09:00 AM   #94 
  - Is this a rhetorical question?  shayes51   Oct-08-06 09:23 AM   #97 
  - Angry? HELL YES!!! FOrgiving? When the trap-door  conscious evolution   Oct-08-06 10:10 AM   #105 
  - I can multi-task.  rucky   Oct-08-06 10:11 AM   #107 
  - This seems like such a silly, trivial thing to wory about.  Oregonian   Oct-08-06 12:24 PM   #110 
  - Eventually, I could see myself forgiving them.  guinivere   Oct-08-06 01:32 PM   #114 
  - You are right, of course, but I'm still MAD AS HELL!  CanonRay   Oct-08-06 02:22 PM   #116 
 

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