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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #214
216. Of course
Logically, all rapists view porn does not support all watchers of porn = rapists. However, even correlations can give us a starting point for issues to address.

Again, we're not talking about looking at one perpetrator and identifying the issues discovered there as a means to label an entire problem. We're (well, I'm) just looking to see if there are patterns so we can address underlying causes rather than just punish offending individuals after the fact. The idea is to protect rather than simply punish. Causation and correlation garnered from the answers to the questions asked can then be studied and, if found valid, acted upon - positively, not punatively.

(Just to be clear, I am also using a hypothetical to address your point. I'm not sure, and highly doubt, that all rapists watch porn. Again, rape is an act of power, not sex therefore it stands to reason that not all those who commit acts in an attempt to demostrate their power necessarily even equate it with sex never mind porn.)
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  -Why do men go postal? Philosoraptor  Oct-03-06 05:19 AM   #0 
  - testosterone mixed with hopelessness and rage  SoCalDem   Oct-03-06 05:20 AM   #1 
  - Gimme a break  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 06:54 AM   #20 
  - Actually, I suspect hormonal surges may be responsible  Generic Other   Oct-03-06 08:35 AM   #75 
  - I can buy that  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 09:45 AM   #89 
  - Actually, postpartum psychosis is believed to be due to hormones  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-03-06 06:34 PM   #165 
  - How is that different from hoplessness, rage, and guns  ContraBass Black   Oct-03-06 07:26 AM   #32 
  - I'm thinking about this.  LWolf   Oct-04-06 08:10 AM   #212 
  - Uh-huh. As opposed to post-partum psychosis.  TahitiNut   Oct-03-06 11:45 AM   #104 
     - probably the only difference is the method..  SoCalDem   Oct-03-06 11:47 AM   #106 
  - Need to have more sex. ..  and-justice-for-all   Oct-03-06 05:25 AM   #2 
  - You hit it on the head  pauliedangerously   Oct-03-06 12:44 PM   #128 
  - Thank you, Thank you very much....nt  and-justice-for-all   Oct-03-06 06:19 PM   #157 
  - Actually, hit NOTHING-- Struck OUT!  bobbolink   Oct-03-06 06:26 PM   #161 
  - This is sooooo maddening! What does it take to get it across--  bobbolink   Oct-03-06 06:25 PM   #160 
  - Oh please. That has got to be the most absurd theory ever.  haruka3_2000   Oct-03-06 07:07 PM   #171 
  - I can agree with that too...  and-justice-for-all   Oct-03-06 07:44 PM   #182 
     - Then maybe prostitution should be legalized. Wonder how many  raccoon   Oct-04-06 07:53 AM   #207 
  - Easier said than done.  HypnoToad   Oct-03-06 07:15 PM   #173 
  - Sounds like the people who told you that think that if two people  raccoon   Oct-04-06 07:54 AM   #208 
  - Sickening  LostinVA   Oct-03-06 07:28 PM   #178 
  - That's just baffling reasoning n/t  spoony   Oct-04-06 01:18 AM   #201 
  - i believe bush & the neocons are doing this on a massive scale  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 05:27 AM   #3 
  - good point  Lilith Velkor   Oct-03-06 09:30 AM   #86 
  - and they say women cannot handle their emotions  Skittles   Oct-03-06 05:29 AM   #4 
  - Kinda puts the lie to that, eh?  bobbolink   Oct-03-06 01:49 PM   #143 
  - Contrary to popular opinion, men are far more delicate than  EST   Oct-03-06 06:04 AM   #5 
  - Yeah ...ok  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 07:00 AM   #23 
     - Many times women are not highly represented in some  EST   Oct-03-06 07:47 AM   #40 
     - I guess that goes into the "sometimes the truth hurts" column  bobbolink   Oct-03-06 01:52 PM   #145 
     - Yes, sigh, it has happened before.  EST   Oct-03-06 02:13 PM   #152 
        - I guess this is really hopeless... Here we are, all these years later,  bobbolink   Oct-03-06 06:28 PM   #162 
     - I don't know about taking less offense...  hughee99   Oct-03-06 06:58 PM   #169 
     - ?????  Darth_Kitten   Oct-03-06 08:02 AM   #55 
        - No, not at all  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 08:23 AM   # 
           - You're a feminist?!  TAPat   Oct-03-06 08:37 PM   #188 
           - Cool.  Darth_Kitten   Oct-03-06 08:59 PM   #196 
  - Charles Whitman had a brain tumor  moobu2   Oct-03-06 06:06 AM   #6 
  - Him and thousands of other men.  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 06:09 AM   #7 
  - That and his dad beat the shit out of the whole family quite often.  HughBeaumont   Oct-03-06 06:50 AM   #18 
  - Thank you! Yes, there WAS a lot of child abuse in decades past,  raccoon   Oct-03-06 07:53 AM   #45 
  - Simple answer: Mental illness. Perhaps our big fat expensive medical  elehhhhna   Oct-03-06 12:33 PM   #119 
  - PTSD, often times.  CarbonDate   Oct-03-06 06:10 AM   #8 
  - I'd even go so far as to ask why do WHITE men go postal...  Crankie Avalon   Oct-03-06 06:12 AM   #9 
  - the two black snipers from a couple years back  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 06:13 AM   #10 
  - Oh, yeah...how could I have blanked on that? I still say the overwhelming  Crankie Avalon   Oct-03-06 06:18 AM   #12 
     - I've noticed that too - all the real whackos are white.  smirkymonkey   Oct-03-06 06:33 PM   #164 
  - LOL  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 07:02 AM   #24 
  - put the gun down and relax man  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 07:03 AM   #25 
  - You fired first, I am merely responding  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 07:09 AM   #28 
  - Nothing wrong with us. nt  TAPat   Oct-03-06 08:39 PM   #189 
  - Not just white men.  Spider Jerusalem   Oct-03-06 10:01 AM   #94 
  - I never wrote they were the ONLY ones...  Crankie Avalon   Oct-03-06 11:59 AM   #108 
  - Colin Ferguson?  rinsd   Oct-03-06 10:57 AM   #97 
     - Thanks, I needed to read that. eom  Crankie Avalon   Oct-03-06 11:59 AM   #109 
  - For every desirable biological trait..  sendero   Oct-03-06 06:15 AM   #11 
  - Your friends always describe you as a "quiet, decent fellow"...  TheBorealAvenger   Oct-03-06 06:22 AM   #13 
  - womentend to hurt themselves when emotionally unstable, men  seabeyond   Oct-03-06 06:33 AM   #14 
  - Wait, women hurt THEMSELVES when emotionally unstable men  smirkymonkey   Oct-03-06 06:37 PM   #166 
     - Actually, I think this has some validity  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 07:50 AM   #206 
  - To make news... To finally matter  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-03-06 06:44 AM   #15 
  - I think that is definitely part of it  NewJeffCT   Oct-03-06 07:12 AM   #29 
     - Why don't they buy inflatable dolls then? Or cruise the local  raccoon   Oct-03-06 07:55 AM   #47 
     - several reasons  NewJeffCT   Oct-03-06 07:59 AM   #50 
     - In #3, I suppose you are referring to the inflatable dolls.  raccoon   Oct-03-06 08:04 AM   #56 
     - I never tried inflatable dolls-never got drunk enough, I suppose  EST   Oct-03-06 02:20 PM   #154 
     - #1--IT"S ABOUT VIOLENCE, NOT ABOUT SEX!  bobbolink   Oct-03-06 01:55 PM   #148 
     - "I'm embarrased to buy an inflatable doll, so I guess I'll have to  smirkymonkey   Oct-03-06 06:39 PM   #167 
     - oh, my. I thought we understood by this time that it ISN"T about sex  bobbolink   Oct-03-06 01:54 PM   #147 
     - "lack of sex feeds the need to overpower/rape"  LostinVA   Oct-03-06 07:28 PM   #177 
     - That must be why there are so many Buddhist serial killers and rapists...  bezdomny   Oct-04-06 03:42 AM   #202 
  - Why do women put their kids in a car & drown them?  William769   Oct-03-06 06:45 AM   #16 
  - There is always a lot of discussion about these events when they happen  lukasahero   Oct-03-06 08:07 AM   #58 
  - excellent question!  Scout   Oct-03-06 08:43 AM   #77 
  - When the questions posed  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 11:40 AM   #99 
  - Because The Question Is Sexist.  jayfish   Oct-03-06 09:23 AM   #83 
  - And two wrongs = right? eom  lukasahero   Oct-03-06 09:28 AM   #85 
     - no, but another wrong can hopefully enlighten the first questioner  Lerkfish   Oct-03-06 09:56 AM   #92 
  - An even better question is  William769   Oct-03-06 10:32 AM   #96 
  - Exactly!  smirkymonkey   Oct-03-06 06:44 PM   #168 
  - Because the posts are always phrased as an indictment  mongo   Oct-03-06 08:03 PM   #184 
  - hell, i don't know, start a thread about it  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 12:18 PM   #111 
  - That is called a mental illness -- psychosis  LostinVA   Oct-03-06 07:30 PM   #179 
  - As a white male, I have to say....  Lerkfish   Oct-03-06 06:47 AM   #17 
  - Why do women kill their own children?  Lerkfish   Oct-03-06 06:53 AM   #19 
  - There is always a lot of discussion about these events when they happen  lukasahero   Oct-03-06 08:08 AM   #60 
  - see my post #17  Lerkfish   Oct-03-06 09:44 AM   #88 
  - just guessing, but men probably kill more of their own kids than women do,  HardRocker05   Oct-03-06 09:35 AM   #87 
     - what, exactly, is your solution?  Lerkfish   Oct-03-06 09:56 AM   #93 
  - Don't turn this into a gender issue  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 06:56 AM   #21 
  - relax, i'm not a man hater  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 06:57 AM   #22 
     - Then don't write  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 07:04 AM   #26 
        - When was the last time a woman took a gun, held a group of children...  Junkdrawer   Oct-03-06 07:08 AM   #27 
        - They don't need a gun  William769   Oct-03-06 07:18 AM   #30 
        - Yeah, they seem to need LOTS of guns n/t  Junkdrawer   Oct-03-06 07:24 AM   #31 
           - So a gun is the only way to kill a person?  William769   Oct-03-06 07:26 AM   #33 
              - If you want to hold a group of kids hostage and hold off the police...  Junkdrawer   Oct-03-06 07:28 AM   #34 
                 - If he hadn't had a gun, it would've been a hell of a lot more  raccoon   Oct-03-06 07:57 AM   #48 
        - No  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 07:31 AM   #35 
        - When was the last time a man took his 5 children  johnnie   Oct-03-06 07:49 AM   #42 
           - Several stories in the news of men shooting their families...  Junkdrawer   Oct-03-06 07:54 AM   #46 
              - There are several stories that go both ways  johnnie   Oct-03-06 08:02 AM   #54 
              - Correct; men killing their entire families is not unusual; for christ's sa  HardRocker05   Oct-03-06 09:56 AM   #91 
        - I'm a white male and i see no "white male crushing" in the OP,  rman   Oct-03-06 07:40 AM   #38 
        - You are not really looking then  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 07:57 AM   #49 
        - White male crushing?  Darth_Kitten   Oct-03-06 08:10 AM   #61 
           - Yes  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 08:21 AM   #70 
           - I'm not a man hater, just a man  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 12:21 PM   #112 
              - Then let us not fall into the trap  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 12:27 PM   #115 
                 - If it makes you so sick then maybe you don't belong. nt  TAPat   Oct-03-06 08:49 PM   #191 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-06 10:17 AM   #220 
           - One of my favorite Lewis Black quotes:  Junkdrawer   Oct-03-06 08:27 AM   #72 
              - BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Karenina   Oct-03-06 09:19 AM   #82 
              - Lewis Black Rocks  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 11:41 AM   #101 
  - What Makes A Woman Kill Her Husband By Pouring Boiling Oil On Him?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Oct-03-06 07:34 AM   #36 
  - But the majority of "sick fucks" happen to be  TAPat   Oct-03-06 08:31 AM   #73 
  - This subject came up in another thread and was  Tansy_Gold   Oct-03-06 09:01 AM   #81 
  - If there are individual answers to individual cases  mongo   Oct-03-06 08:22 PM   #186 
     - Because the individual reasons may reveal patterns  Tansy_Gold   Oct-04-06 12:47 AM   #199 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-03-06 11:44 AM   #103 
     - name calling is verboten  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 12:24 PM   #113 
     - and abusive n/t  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Oct-03-06 12:34 PM   #122 
     - When it  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 12:53 PM   #132 
        - Never did I insult all men & you know it  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 12:58 PM   #134 
        - Because  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 01:41 PM   #140 
           - "I started to wonder, as a man, "......... quote  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 01:47 PM   #142 
        - I find it absolutely stunning...  VelmaD   Oct-03-06 01:00 PM   #135 
        - Shame you can't see  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 01:35 PM   #139 
        - Well, when you throw around all the same old...  VelmaD   Oct-03-06 01:52 PM   #144 
        - try this: Why are black people lazy?  Lerkfish   Oct-03-06 03:17 PM   #156 
        - "All" is the most appropriate assumption to make. When someones says  MJDuncan1982   Oct-03-06 07:31 PM   #180 
        - "This kind of gutter trash will not be tolerated."  TAPat   Oct-03-06 08:54 PM   #193 
     - Just curious - did you look at the site I linked to? And  TAPat   Oct-03-06 12:37 PM   #125 
        - If not short on intellect, at least resistant to new  Tansy_Gold   Oct-03-06 01:05 PM   #136 
           - Thank you for your thoughts -  TAPat   Oct-03-06 01:20 PM   #137 
           - I'm listening.  lukasahero   Oct-03-06 01:52 PM   #146 
  - Absolutely correct  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 11:42 AM   #102 
  - USPS hired Vietnam Vets &the men w/ PTSD struggled w/ the arbitrary rules  TheBorealAvenger   Oct-03-06 07:34 AM   #37 
  - Sometimes it just seems like the thing to do  JVS   Oct-03-06 07:42 AM   #39 
  - Because no matter what we like to think...  johnnie   Oct-03-06 07:48 AM   #41 
  - I am so ashamed  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 07:50 AM   #43 
  - Don't be  johnnie   Oct-03-06 08:00 AM   #51 
  - "We are still stupid animals"  lukasahero   Oct-03-06 08:14 AM   #63 
  - Point taken  johnnie   Oct-03-06 08:20 AM   #69 
  - What point?  NoMoreMyths   Oct-03-06 08:18 AM   #68 
     - The point where people think we actually are  johnnie   Oct-03-06 08:23 AM   #71 
  - I'd say because in our society, men are raised to right wrongs w/ violence  magellan   Oct-03-06 07:51 AM   #44 
  - Ok, now that you've exposed some angry white males, do you  EST   Oct-03-06 08:00 AM   #52 
  - Who described the man that way?  raccoon   Oct-03-06 08:00 AM   #53 
  - friends and neighbors  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 08:07 AM   #59 
  - "Men"  sufrommich   Oct-03-06 08:07 AM   #57 
  - Women get in their licks  michreject   Oct-03-06 08:12 AM   #62 
  - I guess our sources differ quite radically - interesting...  TAPat   Oct-03-06 12:43 PM   #127 
  - Why don't more women go postal?  Darth_Kitten   Oct-03-06 08:15 AM   #64 
  - That's the dark side of male privilege  Lilith Velkor   Oct-03-06 09:26 AM   #84 
     - I personally think too many women make excuse after excuse.....  Darth_Kitten   Oct-03-06 06:22 PM   #158 
        - So you think he did it because not enough women stood up to him?  Lilith Velkor   Oct-03-06 08:24 PM   #187 
           - No, you are not getting my point.  Darth_Kitten   Oct-03-06 08:54 PM   #194 
              - But what does that have to do with why some men go postal?  Lilith Velkor   Oct-03-06 09:51 PM   #198 
  - I read an amazing evolutionary biology explanation for this.  SmokingJacket   Oct-03-06 08:16 AM   #65 
  - How do you test a theory in evolutionary biology?  TheBorealAvenger   Oct-03-06 08:46 AM   #78 
     - That's why it's a theory, and not a hypothesis...  SmokingJacket   Oct-03-06 10:27 AM   #95 
        - Interesting like Carl Sagan's musings  TheBorealAvenger   Oct-03-06 11:41 AM   #100 
  - Testosterone. Adrenaline. Nature. Society.  BelgianMadCow   Oct-03-06 08:17 AM   #66 
  - because life is not fair  mdmc   Oct-03-06 08:17 AM   #67 
  - Here is a great book...  Pacifist Patriot   Oct-03-06 08:35 AM   #74 
  - Lack of love and feeling loveable and acceptable  InkAddict   Oct-03-06 08:37 AM   #76 
  - And how about "real, violent, constant stress"?  TheBorealAvenger   Oct-03-06 08:49 AM   #79 
  - Their mothers circumcised them  Touchdown   Oct-03-06 08:57 AM   #80 
  - I've never started a males are evil thread, and this ain't one  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 12:26 PM   #114 
     - Against the rules. Can't do that.  Touchdown   Oct-03-06 07:24 PM   #176 
  - People who decide they are powerless to act act out.  Tesha   Oct-03-06 09:51 AM   #90 
  - I'll remember these posts the next time a mother kills her children.  Beelzebud   Oct-03-06 10:59 AM   #98 
  - No worries  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 11:46 AM   #105 
  - angry women turn me on,  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 12:29 PM   #117 
     - Angry strong women turn me on too  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 12:34 PM   #121 
        - And of course you get to decide...  VelmaD   Oct-03-06 12:46 PM   #129 
           - LOL  BoneDaddy   Oct-03-06 12:55 PM   #133 
  - Will you remember these posts...  VelmaD   Oct-03-06 12:01 PM   #110 
  - remember away, the two issues are unrelated  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 12:27 PM   #116 
     - Really?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-03-06 12:35 PM   #123 
        - yes, from what i've seen  Philosoraptor   Oct-03-06 12:36 PM   #124 
           - Alright then.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-03-06 12:40 PM   #126 
  - As opposed to...?  ZombyWoof   Oct-03-06 11:56 AM   #107 
  - PMS (Post Marriage Syndrome)  meisje   Oct-03-06 12:30 PM   #118 
  - This is such a simple question to answer, people:  Exiled in America   Oct-03-06 12:33 PM   #120 
  - The big deal is that some men on this board...  VelmaD   Oct-03-06 12:49 PM   #130 
  - well, when the OP asks why men kill, it kinda opens the door for men  Lerkfish   Oct-03-06 01:45 PM   #141 
  - You made the same assumption...  VelmaD   Oct-03-06 01:56 PM   #149 
     - I DID talk about the actual point.  Lerkfish   Oct-03-06 02:17 PM   #153 
  - That's what's driving me crazy about this thread - a majority of  smirkymonkey   Oct-03-06 07:05 PM   #170 
     - "why do men kill" is NOT about men?  Lerkfish   Oct-04-06 10:46 AM   #223 
  - Valid observation however to answer "So what is the big deal/mystery here"  lukasahero   Oct-03-06 01:57 PM   #151 
     - I agree *that* is a big deal. What I meant was...  Exiled in America   Oct-03-06 07:21 PM   #175 
        - Good point but  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 08:02 AM   #209 
  - Good Philosoraptor  Swamp Rat   Oct-03-06 12:52 PM   #131 
  - Gee whiz, Swamp Rat! Rec here too...  TAPat   Oct-03-06 01:25 PM   #138 
  - Aren't we ever so shocked at that....  bobbolink   Oct-03-06 01:57 PM   #150 
  - Perhaps its caused by our socialization  demwing   Oct-03-06 02:24 PM   #155 
  - Some of it might well be "'roid rage"  flvegan   Oct-03-06 06:23 PM   #159 
  - No flames here  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 08:06 AM   #210 
  - In Charles Whitman's case, it was a brain tumor  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-03-06 06:31 PM   #163 
  - Maybe regardless of gender, it's simply immaturity and self-ab  smirkymonkey   Oct-03-06 07:11 PM   #172 
  - I never knew that about Whitman!  LostinVA   Oct-03-06 07:39 PM   #181 
  - Just to mention  johnnie   Oct-03-06 08:46 PM   #190 
  - Powerlessness drives us nuts  wtmusic   Oct-03-06 07:17 PM   #174 
  - The answers are not simple.  hotforteacher   Oct-03-06 08:02 PM   #183 
  - Because they're usually not as vocal about their feelings and  hiaasenrocks   Oct-03-06 08:05 PM   #185 
  - but the guy in Amish country was a milk man, he didn't work for the...  bridgit   Oct-03-06 08:52 PM   #192 
  - A girl at PSU went postal when I was there  Rockstone   Oct-03-06 08:54 PM   #195 
  - Because they're raised to be "tough" and solve their problems with  gully   Oct-03-06 09:22 PM   #197 
  - women make us do it  leftofthedial   Oct-04-06 01:06 AM   #200 
  - Yeah, those 7 year old girls really pushed that guy over the edge, huh?  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 08:09 AM   #211 
     - It's not usually the victims  leftofthedial   Oct-04-06 09:16 AM   #215 
        - Who do you think should be blamed for the act of violence this man  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 09:27 AM   #217 
           - when were your sarcasm receptors removed?  leftofthedial   Oct-04-06 09:55 AM   #218 
           - Now we're getting somewhere  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 10:03 AM   #219 
              - yup  leftofthedial   Oct-04-06 10:21 AM   #221 
           - how about blaming that particular man?  Lerkfish   Oct-04-06 10:48 AM   #224 
              - Yup, it's a good place to start  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 10:55 AM   #226 
  - Testosterone = the world's most dangerous substance.  KrazyKat   Oct-04-06 04:49 AM   #203 
  - then the 90% of men who do NOT kill do not have testosterone?  Lerkfish   Oct-04-06 07:20 AM   #205 
     - It's not the cause and if one suggests it is, they suggest there is no  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 08:16 AM   #213 
        - well, "roid rage" is a condition, as I understand it, that comes from  Lerkfish   Oct-04-06 08:59 AM   #214 
           - Of course  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 09:20 AM   #216 
              - ok, but where does that all lead? even if you determine a set of factors  Lerkfish   Oct-04-06 10:42 AM   #222 
                 - Not punishment  lukasahero   Oct-04-06 10:53 AM   #225 
  - Repression/suppression.  Red Right and BLUE   Oct-04-06 05:03 AM   #204 
  - locking  Moderator   Oct-04-06 11:31 AM   #227 
 

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