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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 05:30 PM
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11. Torture isn't even half the issue!
This isn't about whether we are or are not too squeamish to waterboard terrorists, folks. Everybody hates terrorists. Nobody wants to coddle them. Sure, many of us don't think torture should ever be legal, for many reasons including the potential for even worse abuses than those that we've already seen at Abu Ghraib and the fact that the information gleaned from this sort of questioning is almost never reliable. But the torture aspects of this bill are no more than the sensationalistic cover story for a wide ranging assault on the fundamental rights of US citizens (as well as all other human beings in the world).

This is about the same people who told us the best way to fight terrorism was to start a war that had nothing to do with it now telling us that we all have to give up our basic right to a fair and speedy trial at the whim of our monarchical executive. This bill reverses over 790 years of Anglo Saxon legal tradition starting with the Magna Carta and extending through our revered Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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  -How the Repubs will spin the Torture bill. OldSiouxWarrior  Sep-28-06 03:32 PM   #0 
  - I think one of our best arguments is that torture doesn't work.  greyl   Sep-28-06 03:38 PM   #1 
  - And the media will help them spin away....  kerry-is-my-prez   Sep-28-06 03:39 PM   #2 
  - It's not torture unless it results in organ failure  sui generis   Sep-28-06 03:43 PM   #3 
  - Why would you agree that it's not torture without organ failure? If your  Mayberry Machiavelli   Sep-28-06 03:47 PM   #5 
     - you know I was playing devil's advocate right?  sui generis   Sep-28-06 03:55 PM   #8 
        - No prob it wasn't obvious to me from the way you wrote your post.  Mayberry Machiavelli   Sep-28-06 05:23 PM   #10 
  - Well how about the fact that torture by their definition has occurred, and  Kashka-Kat   Sep-28-06 03:46 PM   #4 
  - Grrrrrrrrr !  OldSiouxWarrior   Sep-28-06 03:58 PM   #9 
  - PS what are statistics for people held & then freed-- if its stil  Kashka-Kat   Sep-28-06 03:51 PM   #6 
  - i agree & feel the need "to anticipate the methods of the other side"...  bridgit   Sep-28-06 03:54 PM   #7 
  - Torture isn't even half the issue!  mhatrw   Sep-28-06 05:30 PM   #11 
     - You have said it well.  OldSiouxWarrior   Sep-28-06 05:44 PM   #12 
        - All men are created equal  BeFree   Sep-28-06 07:37 PM   #13 

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