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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:31 AM
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26. Whatever happened to religious objection to ALL war and violence?
Did it leave the front pages ov newspapers when the Draft ended, so that children of the upper-middle-class were no longer forced to risk their lives overseas?
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  -Once you've justified torture, you are no longer a Christian. Period. Philosoraptor  Sep-25-06 06:02 AM   #0 
  - You are thinking of the old Jesus, Prince of Peace,  Benhurst   Sep-25-06 06:05 AM   #1 
  - You might appreciate this thread from two years ago (oldie but goodie)  KansDem   Sep-25-06 11:06 AM   #40 
     - Thanks.  Benhurst   Sep-25-06 01:34 PM   #48 
  - I guess this new crop of Christians have forgotten that the Romans had  no_hypocrisy   Sep-25-06 06:09 AM   #2 
  - plenty of current crop liberal christians understand that.  Lerkfish   Sep-25-06 06:59 AM   #9 
  - It's kinda hard to remember the cross as torture, when the cross  bobbolink   Sep-25-06 03:42 PM   #59 
  - And just like the Jihadists  DaveTheWave   Sep-25-06 06:09 AM   #3 
  - In my personal experience, it's the fundies who are obsessed with  Midlodemocrat   Sep-25-06 06:25 AM   #6 
     - more accurately, its convenient use of either testament to their advantage  Lerkfish   Sep-25-06 07:01 AM   #10 
     - They favor the Pick and Choose Version of the Bible.  tanyev   Sep-25-06 07:48 AM   #17 
     - if they follow the Old Testament and ignore the New Testament,  Bill McBlueState   Sep-25-06 10:35 AM   #27 
     - Christian what.  rrasile   Sep-25-06 02:23 PM   #54 
  - Amen  DoYouEverWonder   Sep-25-06 06:17 AM   #4 
  - just say the word tort*re  C_U_L8R   Sep-25-06 06:19 AM   #5 
  - Or a Christian of the Middle Ages. They were good at it.  izzie   Sep-25-06 06:55 AM   #7 
  - agreed. and I am a liberal christian, I would NEVER condone torture, or  Lerkfish   Sep-25-06 06:58 AM   #8 
  - I had that problem too  thecrow   Sep-25-06 09:42 AM   #25 
  - Whatever happened to religious objection to ALL war and violence?  ProgressiveEconomist   Sep-25-06 10:31 AM   #26 
     - why are you asking me, when I just said I object to ALL war and violence?  Lerkfish   Sep-25-06 10:38 AM   #29 
        - Your post was the first I've seen in a long time to oppose war  ProgressiveEconomist   Sep-25-06 10:53 AM   #33 
           - That would be sad if true.  Lerkfish   Sep-25-06 10:57 AM   #36 
  - You also forgot  BoneDaddy   Sep-25-06 07:01 AM   #11 
  - And you forgot a few things  zeemike   Sep-25-06 07:30 AM   #12 
  - Indeed, Jesus was a Liberal; and the Disciples and many who  rasputin1952   Sep-25-06 08:00 AM   #20 
  - A torturer is not a human being. They just resemble one  NNN0LHI   Sep-25-06 07:34 AM   #13 
  - Not that this makes them atheists, of course.  Random_Australian   Sep-25-06 07:35 AM   #14 
  - It doesn't make them atheists, it makes them  lukasahero   Sep-25-06 07:46 AM   #16 
     - Good. There have been atheist-slurring incidents in the past, you see.  Random_Australian   Sep-25-06 07:53 AM   #18 
  - Are you saying that true Christians can't believe in hell, then? n/t  trotsky   Sep-25-06 07:43 AM   #15 
  - That's an excellent question.  Bill McBlueState   Sep-25-06 10:56 AM   #34 
  - if one truly believed in eternal hell, one wouldn't make wars  Philosoraptor   Sep-25-06 10:57 AM   #37 
  - Not sure I understand.  trotsky   Sep-25-06 11:09 AM   #41 
     - not sure I do either  Philosoraptor   Sep-25-06 11:18 AM   #43 
        - So, good Christians DO believe in hell?  trotsky   Sep-25-06 11:42 AM   #45 
           - The torture in hell is visited on the wretched  bigbrother05   Sep-25-06 12:30 PM   #46 
           - So torture is A-OK as long as your god does it?  trotsky   Sep-25-06 12:37 PM   #47 
           - Not all Xians  igil   Sep-25-06 03:17 PM   #56 
              - I fully realize that.  trotsky   Sep-25-06 03:30 PM   #57 
                 - The "torture for eternity" always  igil   Sep-27-06 02:45 PM   #64 
  - That's right.  Swede   Sep-25-06 02:14 PM   #50 
     - But according to the bible, Jesus himself spoke of hell.  trotsky   Sep-25-06 02:17 PM   #53 
  - "Christians" have morphed religion to fit their needs  bleedingheart   Sep-25-06 07:54 AM   #19 
  - Amen! nm  texpatriot2004   Sep-25-06 08:05 AM   #21 
  - "But this is 2006 - the Bible was written in...1978!"  bullwinkle428   Sep-25-06 08:14 AM   #22 
  - Even though I am Agnostic  michaelpush   Sep-25-06 08:24 AM   #23 
  - Jesus was one cool dude  BeFree   Sep-25-06 09:23 AM   #24 
  - Agreed. Who would Jesus Waterboard? :( eom  ShortnFiery   Sep-25-06 10:35 AM   #28 
  - I was just thinking this "DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO U"  gully   Sep-25-06 10:42 AM   #30 
  - You can't justify war either....  Jade Fox   Sep-25-06 10:46 AM   #31 
  - Or greed - the bush brand of christian fails on every true test of faith,  glitch   Sep-25-06 10:50 AM   #32 
  - I thought this new brand of Christianity had an automatic do over  BrotherBuzz   Sep-25-06 10:56 AM   #35 
  - Or a human being, for that matter.  The Count   Sep-25-06 10:59 AM   #38 
  - Very concisely and profoundly stated.  tenshi816   Sep-25-06 11:03 AM   #39 
  - This brings to mind Pat Robertson advocating the murder of Hugo Chavez  lpbk2713   Sep-25-06 11:16 AM   #42 
  - Jews don't care much for it either.  npincus   Sep-25-06 11:18 AM   #44 
  - You are no longer an AMERICAN either. n/t  file83   Sep-25-06 01:34 PM   #49 
  - I thought you could justify just about anything  Spearman87   Sep-25-06 02:16 PM   #51 
  - That's unless you are torturing someone for their own good.  Hubert Flottz   Sep-25-06 02:16 PM   #52 
  - They can call themselves whatever they choose.  TallahasseeGrannie   Sep-25-06 02:43 PM   #55 
  - Protest Torture October 5th.  petgoat   Sep-25-06 03:40 PM   #58 
  - Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action  petgoat   Sep-25-06 03:46 PM   #60 
  - Torture Is Terrorism!  kansasblue   Sep-25-06 05:19 PM   #61 
  - Hmmm.....  Everybody   Sep-26-06 07:23 AM   #62 
  - The same argument has been made about supporting abortion and  Freddie Stubbs   Sep-26-06 07:50 AM   #63 
  - WHO WOULD JESUS TORTURE protests needed at fundy churches  chat_noir   Sep-27-06 03:00 PM   #65 
  - Torquemada was a torturing Christian.  Zhade   Sep-28-06 03:30 PM   #66 

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