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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 07:30 PM
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17. Electoral politics is not the be all end all. . .
Edited on Sun Sep-24-06 07:41 PM by pat_k
Sure. We can -- and must -- vote them out and find and run strong and principled candidates, but perhaps more important is connecting with each other, and creating associations through which we can ever more effectively exert influence. Even when idiots occupy the offices of Congress, we can shape the context, inject reality into the noise machine, and push them into action.

As discouraging as it often is, we have had some BIG wins. We are forward looking creatures. We often lose track of how far we've come, but if you picked me up on this date in 2003 and plopped me down today, I would be thrilled to witness the transformation.

Here's something I posted some time ago on this topic. (Bottom line: It's ultimately about Us, not Them):

The problem is the massive disconnect between insiders vs. outsiders. Only a tiny fraction are "insiders." The vast majority of us are "outsiders" -- outsiders ARE the mainstream.

The labels -- liberal, conservative, progressive, right, left -- have become so loaded they have lost all objective meaning.

We are not even dealing with a divide between left v. right positions on "issues."

We are dealing with fascists v. anti-fascists; insiders v. outsiders; weakness v. strength.

Insiders v. Outsiders

You may be too young to remember, but not very long ago, politics wasn't viewed as the exclusive purview of the "professionals." Countless communities had vital Democratic Clubs and other associations where Americans experienced "politics" first hand. It wasn't always pretty, but people socialized, chose leaders, made decisions, and took civic action.

Over the years, people have been pushed out of their own game. These days, the "professionals" run the show and they are VERY protective of their turf.

For the Al Froms of the world, we are game pieces that they -- the "professionals" -- manipulate. Heaven forbid any of us actually get involved! They may not even know WHY they feel so threatened when folks like Dean or Hackett inspire citizens to act, but their fear has absolutely nothing to do with the candidate's' positions on issues.

Weakness v. Strength

The BIGGEST problem members of the Democratic Party face is the perception that they are weak and unprincipled. We are as pissed off as we are because, instead of fulfilling their Congressional oath, and challenging their wimpy image, by standing up and demanding Impeachment, they are adding salt to the wound by "laying low" or appeasing the fascists by assuring them they have no intention of Impeaching Bush and Cheney.

But the beliefs that underlie their rationalizations have been hammered into them by those around them. Countless actions are unthinkable in their world, for reasons they don't even understand.

It's About Us -- Not the Party. Not our Leaders.

The bottom line is that the insiders are protecting their turf from us. They live in a world of Republican propaganda. Their fear of "backlash" has little to do with public reaction -- what they really fear being ostracized from the DC social scene.

WE are the REAL danger to their insular world. We are everywhere. We can insert some reality and prompt them to take action that will get them frowned on at Sally Quinn's next event.

But, we can also reward them -- like we rewarded Barbara Boxer for standing up on January 6th with a surge of support, dollars, and respect.

Our immediate goals are clear: Impeach Bush and Cheney and reject the results of suspect elections. Actions large and small will make these goals a reality. As we move forward, we need to remember that, however they fail or anger us, we can't let it just be about them. Ultimately, it is about figuring out how to use our power to see that our will is done.

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  -Why cant we just admit that all politicians are crap eggbeater  Sep-24-06 07:04 PM   #0 
  - Right.... because Democrats would torture too! Stupidity.  BlooInBloo   Sep-24-06 07:05 PM   #1 
  - Its not just about torture  eggbeater   Sep-24-06 07:12 PM   #9 
     - You said "it makes no difference" - that's idiotic...  BlooInBloo   Sep-24-06 08:09 PM   #27 
        - Lighten up! Damn!  lonestarnot   Sep-24-06 08:47 PM   #30 
  - Hey Eggbeater! Been thinking about you! How are you doing?  lonestarnot   Sep-24-06 07:05 PM   #2 
  - Great to have your thoughts  eggbeater   Sep-24-06 07:11 PM   #8 
     - I will fight for you! I will fight for your family! I will fight twice  lonestarnot   Sep-24-06 08:45 PM   #29 
  - But, But, But, ... Big Dawg Was The Greatest!!! I Want To Have His Baby!!  MannyGoldstein   Sep-24-06 07:06 PM   #3 
  - Woodamn whoo! Crack me up! And so true! Love that Big Dawg!  lonestarnot   Sep-24-06 07:09 PM   #5 
  - Public campaign financing 100% across the board is part of the  lonestarnot   Sep-24-06 07:07 PM   #4 
  - When we get big money out of our elections  Nutmegger   Sep-24-06 07:10 PM   #6 
  - That is a cop out!  queenbdem87   Sep-24-06 07:10 PM   #7 
  - perhaps you are correct.  eggbeater   Sep-24-06 07:15 PM   #12 
  - I'll admit it. Every single one of them. If they were worth anything,  Redstone   Sep-24-06 07:15 PM   #10 
  - LOL  Truthiness Inspector   Sep-24-06 08:53 PM   #32 
  - because they arent. I judge each person on what they do and have done.  bullimiami   Sep-24-06 07:15 PM   #11 
  - What is with all of the "no use voting for Democrats" threads lately?  skipos   Sep-24-06 07:20 PM   #13 
  - You missunderstand me  eggbeater   Sep-24-06 07:24 PM   #14 
  - Uh, this is *Democratic* Underground -- not any other Underground...  KrazyKat   Sep-24-06 07:28 PM   #15 
  - Chill out!  acmejack   Sep-24-06 07:44 PM   #21 
     - Hi! AJ!  lonestarnot   Sep-24-06 08:52 PM   #31 
     - Hey, it's lonestarnot!!!  KrazyKat   Sep-24-06 08:55 PM   #33 
        - Hi!  lonestarnot   Sep-24-06 08:59 PM   #34 
           - Yo!!!  KrazyKat   Sep-24-06 09:35 PM   #39 
     - Yes, we need change. Change in candidates, change in the system...  KrazyKat   Sep-24-06 09:05 PM   #38 
  - I don't believe that all politicians are crap.  Blue State Native   Sep-24-06 07:29 PM   #16 
  - Electoral politics is not the be all end all. . .  pat_k   Sep-24-06 07:30 PM   #17 
  - Actually I prefer not to broadbrush people like that  Jim4Wes   Sep-24-06 07:35 PM   #18 
  - Hogwash!  Jim Sagle   Sep-24-06 07:39 PM   #19 
  - Feingold isn't crap - neither is Kucinich. I've got a pretty short  whutgives   Sep-24-06 07:40 PM   #20 
  - Agree. nt  wtmusic   Sep-24-06 08:05 PM   #25 
  - Agree X2  lonestarnot   Sep-24-06 09:04 PM   #36 
  - "Power corrupts.." Politics is corrupting because it endows power.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-24-06 07:51 PM   #22 
  - I admit this regulalrly actually eom  MGD   Sep-24-06 07:58 PM   #23 
  - To some degree, I agree. If they are rich, which most of them are, they  Union Thug   Sep-24-06 08:01 PM   #24 
  - You'll get no argument from me on that point.  BeHereNow   Sep-24-06 08:08 PM   #26 
  - Maybe if you were living on less than $600 a month or had a  jwirr   Sep-24-06 08:30 PM   #28 
  - Never trusted politicans...  and-justice-for-all   Sep-24-06 09:02 PM   #35 
  - As a politician and as someone who works with a lot of D politicians  dorktv   Sep-24-06 09:04 PM   #37 
  - I'm not fond of politicians as a general rule but no doubt we wouldn't be  Garbo 2004   Sep-24-06 10:51 PM   #40 
 

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