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134. This is an excellent example . . . of the basic legal rule . . .

This is an excellent example . . . of the basic legal rule . . . that if someone is to decide an accurate, true conclusion regarding a past event that was video taped and/or written transcript made then that entire interview be viewed (either as an uncut video from start to finish or as an accurate written transcript from start to finish) so that a sound, accurate, true and just conclusion be made. Here, obviously, the opposite was rendered by FOX NEWS (what a misnomer!), because FOX edited out some very pertinent and important information stated by President Clinton, all to the twisted bias of Fox News as it's fed to its audience and all for commercial (financial) gain to Fox News. It's not news; instead, it is an attempt to entertain but unknowingly as such to much of its audience. P E R I O D.

Simple, really.

The law, i.e., the legal recourse, to counter such misrepresentations (lies) to the public is so ill-defined and so over-burdensome that nothing is usually done about it. Thus, Fox News and other lousy so-called "information sources" continue to push their product of disinformation over non-broadcast and broadcast television and radio. In short, it sells and selling is their business, not news.

Sad, really, is the state of information that passes as "news" to many in America today. It flies in the face of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s "marketplace of ideas."

    "Persecution for the expression of opinions seems to me perfectly logical. If you have no doubt of your premises or your power and want a certain result with all your heart you naturally express your wishes in law and sweep away all opposition. . . . But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas -- that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution."
    (quoting Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in his famous dissent, Abrams v. U.S., 250 U.S. 616 (1919))
    bold-faced type added by TaleWgnDg

Justice Holmes would stand firm today, I am sure, for the free exchange of ideas. However, with the caveat that such ideas should be labeled as truthful or as untruthful. Never an "entertainment" sham to pass as truth as does FOX NEWS.

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  -Read it yourself: Clinton-Wallace fireworks on Fox kpete  Sep-22-06 08:46 PM   #0 
  - Looking forward to seeing this @ Youtube.  emperor72   Sep-22-06 08:52 PM   #1 
  - Part of it is already there  Truthiness Inspector   Sep-22-06 09:34 PM   #12 
  - Nice editing.  Rufus T. Firefly   Sep-23-06 05:53 AM   #23 
     - Good argument for *not* going on Fox. But also a good...  PaulHo   Sep-23-06 07:57 AM   #30 
     - Fox has apparently peaked...their ratings success is mainly due to  civildisoBDence   Sep-23-06 09:58 AM   #46 
        - If you've been doing a long term study of the media you've surely  NCevilDUer   Sep-23-06 12:49 PM   #71 
        - Great website. I bookmarked it. But if ABC news is ....  PaulHo   Sep-24-06 08:11 AM   #112 
        - Well  kenfrequed   Sep-24-06 06:12 PM   #122 
     - Yeah, Maybe A Mistake On Clinton's Part  iamjoy   Sep-23-06 08:19 AM   #32 
     - those quotes are not the least bit representative of clinton  mopinko   Sep-23-06 10:25 AM   #53 
     - Usually  iamjoy   Sep-23-06 10:41 AM   #57 
        - i think you need to see the bigger picture, then.  mopinko   Sep-23-06 11:03 AM   #58 
     - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!  Felinity   Sep-23-06 12:15 PM   #65 
     - Blowing It Out Of Proportion  iamjoy   Sep-23-06 02:59 PM   #80 
     - Self-delete: see below comment  krispos42   Sep-23-06 10:45 PM   #104 
     - And when they repeal the 22nd amendment....  krispos42   Sep-23-06 10:47 PM   #105 
        - Make It A Little Better  iamjoy   Sep-24-06 08:18 AM   #113 
     - Totally edited, and of course Drudge is linking to it.  VolcanoJen   Sep-23-06 01:05 PM   #73 
  - Wallace is a smarmy little punk  George II   Sep-23-06 08:14 AM   #31 
  - Hi George II!!  newyawker99   Sep-23-06 09:01 AM   #37 
  - welcome!  Brundle_Fly   Sep-23-06 09:42 AM   #42 
  - Show starts at 6pm est, 4 pm mnt, set my dvr to record...uugh..  Demonaut   Sep-23-06 10:05 AM   #47 
  - I thought it was going to be on tv around noon tomorrow  MODemocrat   Sep-23-06 02:08 PM   #79 
  - Nice to see a Democrat fighting back. Always nice to see the Big Dog  FloridaPat   Sep-22-06 08:53 PM   #2 
  - Clinton always handled their bullshit...  marmar   Sep-22-06 08:58 PM   #4 
     - GORE!!!  Blutodog   Sep-23-06 07:38 AM   #25 
        - Yes! Run, Gore, Run.  disndat   Sep-23-06 10:09 AM   #48 
           - GORE 4 SURE !!  Blutodog   Sep-23-06 10:14 AM   #51 
              - Any chance you have a date for that interview?  krkaufman   Sep-24-06 11:05 AM   #120 
  - Very good.  Rose Siding   Sep-22-06 08:56 PM   #3 
  - the best is the last 4:  rodeodance   Sep-22-06 08:59 PM   #5 
  - Clinton tried and failed, but neocons didn't try and succeeded: succeeded  indepat   Sep-23-06 06:56 PM   #96 
  - I don't know why Dem's complain about FOX and then go on the shows  MichiganVote   Sep-22-06 09:03 PM   #6 
  - Better Than Not Going  iamjoy   Sep-23-06 08:23 AM   #33 
  - "Keep your friends close,  beltanefauve   Sep-23-06 01:59 PM   #78 
  - I wonder if Fox News and Wallace will give Cheney and Bush  whistle   Sep-22-06 09:04 PM   #7 
  - He made a strong case. But the myths around this thing are  Jim4Wes   Sep-22-06 09:13 PM   #8 
  - Thank you President Clinton nm  texpatriot2004   Sep-22-06 09:19 PM   #9 
  - Thanks, Big Dog!  The Count   Sep-22-06 09:22 PM   #10 
  - Indeed, it does appear that Wallace brought a toothpick to a knife fight.  Straight Shooter   Sep-22-06 09:30 PM   #11 
  - WOOF WOOF  DemEtienne   Sep-22-06 09:35 PM   #13 
  - Chris Wallace is not the Devil  MethuenProgressive   Sep-22-06 09:55 PM   #14 
  - Good steal.  Vidar   Sep-22-06 10:15 PM   #18 
  - Phenominal mind and a great debater  upi402   Sep-22-06 10:04 PM   #15 
  - Oh My God . . . Is This The First Time Bill Has Been Asked About BSP&9-11  Dinger   Sep-22-06 10:06 PM   #16 
  - This was good.......blunt truth.  jaxx   Sep-22-06 10:10 PM   #17 
  - Great transcript. Bravo, Mr. President.  Vidar   Sep-22-06 10:16 PM   #19 
  - Fuck I hate Chris Wallace...  boolean   Sep-22-06 10:18 PM   #20 
  - Go, Big Dog--& he uses my fave term for conservatives -- "right-wingers."  quiet.american   Sep-23-06 12:05 AM   #21 
  - Sig em Big Dog!  usregimechange   Sep-23-06 12:38 AM   #22 
  - Glad to see him address this and really glad it will be on fox.  RangerSmith   Sep-23-06 07:35 AM   #24 
  - Let's see how they edit it. nt  PaulHo   Sep-23-06 07:51 AM   #28 
     - wouldn't Bill demand it run in it's entirity or he not do the interview??  themartyred   Sep-24-06 12:35 AM   #107 
  - Why do democrats even bother going on Fox News  LynneSin   Sep-23-06 07:40 AM   #26 
  - Clinton and Carter will go down in the History Books as GIANTS  opihimoimoi   Sep-23-06 07:52 AM   #29 
  - Why do we have to wait for the history books?  George II   Sep-23-06 07:05 PM   #98 
  - Because Democrats are not cowards....  Aviation Pro   Sep-24-06 08:22 AM   #114 
  - Fox is a millimeter to the right of ABC which is a...  PaulHo   Sep-23-06 07:49 AM   #27 
  - Good. Finally the truth. The CIA didn't certify that it was Bin Laden  jazzjunkysue   Sep-23-06 08:30 AM   #34 
  - I'll  warrior1   Sep-23-06 08:32 AM   #35 
  - "Not like Clinton"  Felinity   Sep-23-06 12:27 PM   #66 
  - "It's all Bush's fault." That shouldn't be a hard sell at this point.  vickitulsa   Sep-23-06 01:13 PM   #74 
  - You Go Boy  Fluffdaddy   Sep-23-06 08:39 AM   #36 
  - big dog grabbed chrissy the little bitch by the neck  madrchsod   Sep-23-06 09:08 AM   #38 
  - The Big Dawg, Unleashed  liberal N proud   Sep-23-06 09:22 AM   #39 
  - HOLY CRAP! YOU GO BUBBA!! TEACH THEM A LESSON!!!  originalpckelly   Sep-23-06 09:32 AM   #40 
  - The Dems Should Use This!!!  MannyGoldstein   Sep-23-06 09:36 AM   #41 
  - This morning on Faux. "They didn't even try" Words to remember!  robbedvoter   Sep-23-06 09:42 AM   #43 
  - nobody does it better  scone   Sep-23-06 09:54 AM   #44 
  - Anybody got the video link for this?  dave123williams   Sep-23-06 09:55 AM   #45 
  - oh good GOD help us  themartyred   Sep-23-06 10:12 AM   #49 
  - in 50 years, every coast will be well underwater...  Amonester   Sep-23-06 11:22 AM   #60 
     - exactly  melody   Sep-23-06 04:16 PM   #88 
  - Why doesn't a journalist ever treat Bush like that during an interview  Time for change   Sep-23-06 10:14 AM   #50 
  - cuz they know they'd lose their job  themartyred   Sep-23-06 10:22 AM   #52 
  - Yes, the fear of losing their job is there, but  Time for change   Sep-23-06 03:21 PM   #81 
  - becasue sycophants can't attack their idol  ComerPerro   Sep-23-06 04:42 PM   #92 
  - I love how that son of a bitch at fox says  themartyred   Sep-23-06 10:27 AM   #54 
  - The difference between Huffinton and here is light years!  comtec   Sep-23-06 10:34 AM   #55 
  - I agree with your last line  themartyred   Sep-23-06 10:38 AM   #56 
     - Hey thematyred  kpete   Sep-23-06 11:09 AM   #59 
     - LOL... right on!  themartyred   Sep-24-06 12:41 AM   #108 
     - PISSED OFF != Freaking out  Kierkegaard   Sep-23-06 01:42 PM   #77 
  - Bravo Bill!  Clinton Crusader   Sep-23-06 11:25 AM   #61 
  - WOW! he talks like he knows shit!  kellenburger   Sep-23-06 11:31 AM   #62 
  - A President with a brain cannot exist  GoddessOfGuinness   Sep-23-06 10:30 PM   #102 
  - Over here in NATO-land  DFW   Sep-23-06 11:43 AM   #63 
  - has the headline "Clinton Freaks Out"  young_at_heart   Sep-23-06 11:45 AM   #64 
  - That's because a freeper posted it.  cat_girl25   Sep-23-06 12:32 PM   #68 
  - there's the connection!  themartyred   Sep-24-06 12:44 AM   #109 
  - That will work out  sufrommich   Sep-23-06 12:43 PM   #69 
  - Didn't anyone record this exchange? I'd like to watch it. (nt)  w4rma   Sep-23-06 12:30 PM   #67 
  - didn't you watch the youtube video? it's not on til Sunday n/t  themartyred   Sep-24-06 12:44 AM   #110 
  - The right wingers' "8 years" has no basis in reality  stevietheman   Sep-23-06 12:44 PM   #70 
  - Go Big Dog!!!  AnnieBW   Sep-23-06 01:01 PM   #72 
  - Glad to see Clinton defending himself against these charges  Generic Other   Sep-23-06 01:19 PM   #75 
  - The conservative media sure did get the word out:  cat_girl25   Sep-23-06 01:24 PM   #76 
  - I highly doubt that his viewers wanted that question asked  arnheim   Sep-23-06 03:29 PM   #83 
  - ya...  themartyred   Sep-24-06 12:46 AM   #111 
  - Clinton is being called hostile WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY CALL O'REILLY?  Hippo_Tron   Sep-23-06 03:24 PM   #82 
  - KO dissed Wallace last night for this "sandbagging"  young_at_heart   Sep-23-06 03:47 PM   #84 
  - Just part of their mindless recitation of talking points  melody   Sep-23-06 04:34 PM   #91 
  - K & R  durrrty libby   Sep-23-06 03:52 PM   #85 
  - If anybody has a video download of this please email me or....  Cascadian   Sep-23-06 03:54 PM   #86 
  - Part of it is over at Youtube n/t  melody   Sep-23-06 04:23 PM   #90 
     - Already seen it.  Cascadian   Sep-23-06 06:44 PM   #95 
        - It'll be up at Youtube by the end of the day, I'm sure. lol n/t  melody   Sep-23-06 06:59 PM   #97 
  - It's about effin time  Presidentcokedupfratboy   Sep-23-06 03:55 PM   #87 
  - Big Dog Munches the Bully  melody   Sep-23-06 04:21 PM   #89 
  - Bubba take cw to woodshed  lamaar mundane   Sep-23-06 05:26 PM   #93 
  - Email just sent subject "To Chris Wallace re Clinton interview"  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Sep-23-06 06:01 PM   #94 
  - kick  brettdale   Sep-23-06 07:16 PM   #99 
  - Looks as if I'll have to temporary suspend my twelve-year self-imposed  Penndems   Sep-23-06 09:34 PM   #100 
  - Three Cheers for President Clinton  Michael G.   Sep-23-06 09:55 PM   #101 
  - If Clinton is scum, it's because he got it from going on faux news.  muntrv   Sep-23-06 10:34 PM   #103 
  - Big dog...  Elrond Hubbard   Sep-23-06 11:27 PM   #106 
  - Pic of Clinton eating Wallace for breakfast....  Aviation Pro   Sep-24-06 08:57 AM   #115 
  - Great Pic..  number6   Sep-24-06 10:59 AM   #118 
  - Just saw the interview on FOX  livingonearth   Sep-24-06 09:26 AM   #116 
  - Exactly. Wallace throws out a bunch of accusactions ...  krkaufman   Sep-24-06 11:02 AM   #119 
  - Clinton's remarks on Rove - VERY VERY SMART  rosesaylavee   Sep-24-06 10:01 AM   #117 
  - Every even numbered year there is some terror issue  ItsTheMediaStupid   Sep-24-06 05:11 PM   #121 
  - Not sure where it is on DU but  rosesaylavee   Sep-24-06 08:35 PM   #126 
     - I'd argue with you, but you're right.  krispos42   Sep-25-06 02:09 AM   #132 
  - that's a great point  themartyred   Sep-24-06 08:09 PM   #124 
     - I think any individual with  rosesaylavee   Sep-24-06 08:41 PM   #127 
        - true  themartyred   Sep-24-06 11:37 PM   #129 
           - I love it!  rosesaylavee   Sep-24-06 11:51 PM   #130 
              - aw, thank you!! :)  themartyred   Sep-25-06 12:55 AM   #131 
  - The blame for 9/11 should stay at the feet of Bush  GreenEyedLefty   Sep-24-06 06:14 PM   #123 
  - wallace should be fired immediately  newsguyatl   Sep-24-06 08:12 PM   #125 
  - If anything, this interview  rosesaylavee   Sep-24-06 08:44 PM   #128 
  - About Damn Time  erpowers   Sep-25-06 07:22 AM   #133 
  - This is an excellent example . . . of the basic legal rule . . .  TaleWgnDg   Sep-25-06 02:15 PM   #134 
  - Fox "news" is forcing YouTube to take down the video...  Up2Late   Sep-25-06 07:54 PM   #135 

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