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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:37 PM
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34. Good question for the Greenbashers
"I don't see the wisdom behind 'reaching out' to moderates and conservatives at the expense of our liberal base. The attitude today from many is that liberals should just shut up so that our party won't offend some unknown moderate voter. What happens if our base sits this one out because LIBERALS are offended?"

Well, yeah, esp. since they already know from the past two prez election cycles that their mushy strategery DOESN'T WORK :wtf:

"But, none of our voters should be taken for granted. Too much 'reaching out', and our party may lose its grip on its liberal base."

Maybe it's the corporate overlords Democratic leaders are afraid of offending.

"Folks are looking for clear opposition to the Bush regime and their supporters in Congress. Liberals offer that without qualification. Their viewpoint should be the first thing our party defends."

Liberals offer that and the whole nation is ready for it. :kick:
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  -Why do party strategists here assume our liberal base will always show up? bigtree  Sep-22-06 02:14 PM   #0 
  - The rightwingers' base is a lot bigger than the liberal base.  geek tragedy   Sep-22-06 02:17 PM   #1 
  - I don't agree with that at all. The conservative base is miniscule in  Marr   Sep-22-06 02:23 PM   #3 
     - Self-described conservatives greatly outnumber  geek tragedy   Sep-22-06 02:25 PM   #6 
        - Self-described conservatives in a country where "liberal" has been  Marr   Sep-22-06 02:28 PM   #8 
        - That's how we build our base to make it larger.  geek tragedy   Sep-22-06 02:31 PM   #10 
        - Correct. more people agree with 'liberals' on the issues. why can't dems c  HardRocker05   Sep-23-06 08:43 AM   #60 
        - Bullshit! They had Blackwell in Ohio and Diebold Everywhere  Wiley50   Sep-23-06 09:26 AM   #64 
  - And I think we're seeing evidence today of how the liberal base  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 02:23 PM   #2 
  - Absolutely  notsodumbhillbilly   Sep-22-06 02:37 PM   #13 
  - Not CAN'T.... WON'T.  Mayberry Machiavelli   Sep-22-06 02:44 PM   #17 
  - Thanks for the semantic correction  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 02:49 PM   #20 
  - I don't see how so much anger can be suppressed and contained this time  bigtree   Sep-22-06 03:16 PM   #29 
  - You Said That Wonderfully... Thank You  stepnw1f   Sep-22-06 08:22 PM   #45 
  - Because they assume our base wants to win  LeftCoast   Sep-22-06 02:24 PM   #4 
  - If Democrats can't be bothered to vociferously oppose  Marr   Sep-22-06 02:32 PM   #11 
  - I demand a futile, but loud, gesture, dammit.  patcox2   Sep-22-06 02:46 PM   #19 
     - You win by standing up for something. Not by  Marr   Sep-22-06 04:15 PM   #38 
  - win like we 'won' in the last elections?  bigtree   Sep-22-06 03:18 PM   #31 
  - The party needs to stand up for our principles.  AX10   Sep-22-06 02:25 PM   #5 
  - The country was founded on the LIBERAL principles...  orwell   Sep-22-06 02:27 PM   #7 
  - Because we assume people will act logically in their best interest.  patcox2   Sep-22-06 02:30 PM   #9 
  - True, but some of us may be thinking more long term; voting for a democrat  HardRocker05   Sep-23-06 08:49 AM   #61 
  - why do you assume there is a such thing as a "liberal base?"  wyldwolf   Sep-22-06 02:33 PM   #12 
  - You mean that all we DUers who have been disagreeing with you  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 02:42 PM   #15 
     - you think DU is the "liberal base?"  wyldwolf   Sep-22-06 02:43 PM   #16 
     - No, it goes way beyond DU  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 02:46 PM   #18 
        - sorry, the "base" of a party is their single most reliable block of voters  wyldwolf   Sep-22-06 02:50 PM   #21 
        - Mm, let me guess...the vast squishy middle is the base?  Skidmore   Sep-22-06 02:53 PM   #23 
        - bad guess  wyldwolf   Sep-22-06 02:56 PM   #24 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-22-06 11:18 PM   #52 
        - "The squishy middle"  sufrommich   Sep-23-06 05:18 AM   #55 
           - I believe in all those things but I don't consider myself  Skidmore   Sep-23-06 05:35 AM   #56 
              - Most people  sufrommich   Sep-23-06 05:51 AM   #57 
        - Gee, I'll have to tell all those supporters of Kucinich, Dean, Edwards,  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 03:03 PM   #25 
           - like I said, the single most reliable block of voters  wyldwolf   Sep-22-06 03:11 PM   # 
              - Won't deny that, but Kucinich, Dean, Edwards, and Sharpton are  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 03:15 PM   #28 
                 - true. But many of their supporters...  wyldwolf   Sep-22-06 03:17 PM   #30 
                    - Nader wasn't even a factor in 2004  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 03:20 PM   #32 
                    - that really isn't the point. Those "d"emocrats that voted for him...  wyldwolf   Sep-22-06 03:37 PM   #35 
                    - Yes and this is something I simply will never understand no  lonestarnot   Sep-23-06 09:00 AM   #62 
        - Oh really?  cali   Sep-23-06 08:36 AM   #59 
     - I'll admit that I have relationships with "Greens". I work with them for  tnlefty   Sep-22-06 08:02 PM   #42 
  - Not sure how you define liberal and moderate  warrens   Sep-22-06 02:39 PM   #14 
  - The entire left ISN'T Liberal or New Liberal if you like.  HereSince1628   Sep-22-06 02:51 PM   #22 
  - For the same reason the right bitches about Rino's  Recovered Repug   Sep-22-06 03:09 PM   #26 
  - What choice is there?  mmonk   Sep-22-06 03:11 PM   #27 
  - fight for what you believe in  bigtree   Sep-22-06 03:43 PM   #36 
  - Perhaps I'm wrong  flblu2   Sep-22-06 03:26 PM   #33 
  - I don't think you're wrong  notsodumbhillbilly   Sep-22-06 03:44 PM   #37 
  - Good question for the Greenbashers  omega minimo   Sep-22-06 03:37 PM   #34 
  - I don't like Dr. Phil, but when I look at recent history and see  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 07:37 PM   #39 
     - Do you know why the Dems got annihilated in 1994?  geek tragedy   Sep-22-06 07:59 PM   #41 
     - They paid the price because Clinton caved on the first two  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 08:14 PM   #43 
     - Only thing is, the ban wasn't about assault rifles...  benEzra   Sep-25-06 08:11 AM   #65 
     - So, what's an "assault weapon?"  derby378   Sep-22-06 10:28 PM   #48 
        - As a former mod in the Gun Dungeon, I do NOT get into  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 11:03 PM   #49 
           - I can't blame you  derby378   Sep-22-06 11:11 PM   #51 
     - Yeah, let's goback to the Contract On America  omega minimo   Sep-22-06 09:39 PM   #47 
        - Aw shucks  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 11:05 PM   #50 
  - No one is bashing the liberal base in the Dem party, so what the hell are  Grebrook   Sep-22-06 07:53 PM   #40 
  - There's a history that you may not know about  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-06 08:15 PM   #44 
  - As my spouse frequently states, "Where else can we go?" and he would  tnlefty   Sep-22-06 08:43 PM   #46 
  - Any politician  Taoschick   Sep-22-06 11:26 PM   #53 
  - Because if they don't show up, they are not a base. n/t  LoZoccolo   Sep-22-06 11:28 PM   #54 
  - that's an interesting notion  bigtree   Sep-23-06 08:21 AM   #58 
  - Because the theory of 'no accountability' for dems is quite popular among  HardRocker05   Sep-23-06 09:03 AM   #63 
  - well, with the lack of response to torture I just gave up on voting.  bbgrunt   Sep-25-06 09:06 AM   #66 
 

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