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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:48 AM
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4. No extentions; No holds. JUST SAY NO to the War Criminals Protections Act
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 11:48 AM by pat_k
Their sworn duty to protect and defend the Constitution demans that they oppose this bill with everything they've got.

No alternatives.

No "putting on hold."

The ONLY purpose of Bush's War Criminals Protection Act is to protect the War Criminals in the Executive Branch from the punishment that their actions demand in any civilized society.

Any claim to any other purpose doesn't pass the smell test.

Every provision mades sense when viewed through the lens of their contemptable goal.

It is that contemptable goal they must foxus on and hammer home.

As they try to make it impossible to bring the WH terrorists to justice, they are also making it nearly impossible to bring others who who commit acts of terror to justice.

War Crimes Protection Act -- "opposition" IGNORES most destructive part

The bill itself is evidence of consciousness of guilt and malice aforethought. As they look for cover in their fascist fantasies, their words and actions make it crystal clear that they do not expect those fantasies to hold. In his memo, Alberto Mora (outgoing general counsel of the United States Navy) provides an excellent factual summary of the timeline and players in the Bush regime's War Crimes. Over and over their actions demonstrate a conspiracy to knowingly commit, and escape consequences of, their crimes. (summary of memo).
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  -Okay, here's what I'd suggest Congress Democrats do on the torture bill Armstead  Sep-22-06 11:32 AM   #0 
  - Sounds reasonable Armstead...  kentuck   Sep-22-06 11:37 AM   #1 
  - Whatever it takes....  Armstead   Sep-22-06 11:39 AM   #2 
  - That's a sellout scenario  BeFree   Sep-22-06 11:47 AM   #3 
  - Deal with that in January  Armstead   Sep-22-06 11:52 AM   #5 
     - So  BeFree   Sep-22-06 12:11 PM   #10 
     - I'd prefer actually stopping it than just being symbolic  Armstead   Sep-22-06 12:16 PM   #14 
     - The CIA shut the program down. n/t  Jim4Wes   Sep-22-06 12:34 PM   #24 
        - Yeah, right  BeFree   Sep-22-06 12:50 PM   #29 
           - Its hard to tell fact from fiction  Jim4Wes   Sep-22-06 12:57 PM   #32 
              - Participating in torture....  BeFree   Sep-22-06 01:15 PM   #34 
                 - A hearing in democratic controlled congress.  Jim4Wes   Sep-22-06 01:22 PM   #36 
                    - I will vote  BeFree   Sep-22-06 01:38 PM   #38 
                       - We need to stop the legislation, absolutely.  Jim4Wes   Sep-22-06 01:53 PM   #39 
                          - Whatever it takes....Thanks, Jim  BeFree   Sep-22-06 02:10 PM   #40 
     - FAR bigger risk to be hypocritical wimps. That risk is a given.  pat_k   Sep-22-06 12:13 PM   #13 
        - Please re-read my original post  Armstead   Sep-22-06 12:23 PM   #19 
           - Your proposal to "extend" and deal with when they safely have  pat_k   Sep-22-06 12:30 PM   #22 
              - Um, did I say deny the truth?  Armstead   Sep-22-06 12:36 PM   #25 
                 - Seeking to kill it all together is the only way to "deal with it head on".  pat_k   Sep-22-06 12:45 PM   #28 
  - No extentions; No holds. JUST SAY NO to the War Criminals Protections Act  pat_k   Sep-22-06 11:48 AM   #4 
  - Yes, but this isn't the time to give Rove ammo  Armstead   Sep-22-06 11:55 AM   #6 
     - Silence for fear of what "they" might do is appeasement, pure and simple.  pat_k   Sep-22-06 12:04 PM   #9 
        - I don';t disagree with you in principle  Armstead   Sep-22-06 12:12 PM   #11 
           - But your suggested approach does not deal with it "head on". . .  pat_k   Sep-22-06 12:37 PM   #26 
              - No it counteracts that propaganda  Armstead   Sep-22-06 12:45 PM   #27 
                 - To "agree that we need to clarify the guidelines" buys right into . . .  pat_k   Sep-22-06 12:51 PM   #30 
                    - How is saying "It is illegal to use waterboarding, etc...." allows it?  Armstead   Sep-22-06 01:03 PM   #33 
                       - The tunnel vision focus on definition also buys into their propaganda. . .  pat_k   Sep-22-06 01:18 PM   #35 
                          - That's an easy one...  Armstead   Sep-22-06 04:26 PM   #41 
                             - What part of your list . . .  pat_k   Sep-22-06 09:29 PM   #42 
                                - There are, unfortunately, grey areas in all of this  Armstead   Sep-23-06 09:26 AM   #43 
  - Maybe they should move away  Nite Owl   Sep-22-06 11:59 AM   #7 
  - Good idea  Armstead   Sep-22-06 12:01 PM   #8 
  - American Values  Nite Owl   Sep-22-06 12:13 PM   #12 
     - Okay protecting Your Freedom  Armstead   Sep-22-06 12:19 PM   #16 
  - I second this good idea. nt  wiggs   Sep-22-06 12:22 PM   #18 
     - A week or two ago  Nite Owl   Sep-22-06 12:34 PM   #23 
  - I, for one, welcome the codification of Torture by Congress  Jacobin   Sep-22-06 12:17 PM   #15 
  - Democrats have been accused of coddling the criminals  BeFree   Sep-22-06 12:20 PM   #17 
  - The GOP currently has the keys  Armstead   Sep-22-06 12:28 PM   #20 
     - You really think  BeFree   Sep-22-06 01:35 PM   #37 
        - The truth has already been put out there  Armstead   Sep-23-06 09:34 AM   #44 
        - Every Republican in Congress is willing to "look away"  annabanana   Sep-23-06 09:38 AM   #45 
  - There's only one real, moral alternative to this POS legislation  MadHound   Sep-22-06 12:30 PM   #21 
     - Hear, Hear! "Fiat justitia, ruat coelum"  pat_k   Sep-22-06 12:53 PM   #31 
     - I'm not suggesting kinder gentler torture  Armstead   Sep-23-06 09:38 AM   #46 

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