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59. and even worse...in this Rovian world we live in...
there is no good intent...just smoke and mirrors.
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  -I'm not against requiring I.D.'s at polling places....please Fountain79  Sep-19-06 09:34 PM   #0 
  - I agree  LA lady   Sep-19-06 09:38 PM   #1 
  - "No problem"??? (not a flame just some analysis I agree with)  Moochy   Sep-19-06 09:42 PM   #15 
  - Are there actual numbers/percentages of minorities who  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 09:44 PM   #18 
  - requoting the article  Moochy   Sep-19-06 09:45 PM   #20 
  - Yes, there are actual numbers. They are real people. One is enough.  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 12:42 AM   #115 
  - You're beating your head against the wall  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-19-06 11:43 PM   #101 
  - You are right  Moochy   Sep-19-06 11:45 PM   #102 
  - Did I mention the same justification was used in Katrina?  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-19-06 11:48 PM   #106 
  - Make the government issue a photo ID for free  question everything   Sep-20-06 12:45 AM   #117 
     - question everything. If everyone has an ID  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 12:57 AM   #121 
     - Everyone - meaning citizens who have social security cards  question everything   Sep-20-06 01:21 AM   #127 
        - FDR promised SS would not be used to track citizens  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 02:19 AM   #139 
        - On my Soc Sec card it states:  tyedyeto   Sep-20-06 04:36 AM   #154 
           - That's why it has no photograph. But you need a photo i.d. to register to  MookieWilson   Sep-20-06 09:13 AM   #157 
     - wont end my worries... if the justice dept. ruled in 2005...  Moochy   Sep-20-06 12:57 AM   #122 
  - I'm not against verification on Recognizance.  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 12:32 AM   #114 
  - I go both ways on this..  MadMaddie   Sep-19-06 09:38 PM   #2 
  - Yes, perhaps bookmobiles could do this or something, BUT...  MookieWilson   Sep-19-06 09:41 PM   #13 
     - They could use their birth certificate...  MadMaddie   Sep-19-06 09:45 PM   #21 
     - Why address a non problem with a solution  Moochy   Sep-19-06 09:47 PM   #23 
     - There are McVeigh types out west trying to screw up the voting system.  MookieWilson   Sep-19-06 09:49 PM   #24 
     - McVeigh types? dead white terrorists?  Moochy   Sep-19-06 09:52 PM   #31 
     - You don't seem to have a problem with this? n/t  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:07 AM   #124 
     - Because we have to think beyond the box... for every  MadMaddie   Sep-19-06 09:55 PM   #34 
     - They could use their birth certificate? -- Photo ID's is GOP plan  Imagevision   Sep-19-06 09:56 PM   #37 
     - Re: how do you reach voting age without having i.d./Driver's license?  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 12:52 AM   #120 
  - Agreed. It's another step to prevent voting fraud. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-19-06 09:39 PM   #3 
  - The problem is  hobbit709   Sep-19-06 09:39 PM   #4 
  - The IS no problem with voting fraud....  kerry-is-my-prez   Sep-19-06 10:01 PM   #49 
  - Because it's not required when you register in Georgia  Moochy   Sep-19-06 09:39 PM   #5 
  - What will the senior citizens do?  MissWaverly   Sep-19-06 09:39 PM   #6 
  - I thought about the elderly too.....they are a huge voting block...  MadMaddie   Sep-19-06 09:47 PM   #22 
  - And, statistically, they don't have an i.d. problem. They need them when.  MookieWilson   Sep-19-06 09:50 PM   #26 
  - yes, and they want to keep as many from voting as possible  MissWaverly   Sep-19-06 09:54 PM   #32 
     - Yeah, darn those elderly! (j/k)  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:10 AM   #125 
     - It's not working. The elderly have a very high voter turnout rate.  MookieWilson   Sep-20-06 09:16 AM   #158 
  - Most states will issue non-driving ID cards.  OldSiouxWarrior   Sep-19-06 09:56 PM   #38 
     - And those cards are expensive on a fixed income  Moochy   Sep-19-06 09:59 PM   #44 
        - In the states that are requiring them, they are free.  OldSiouxWarrior   Sep-19-06 10:48 PM   #73 
           - Not true.  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:52 PM   #77 
           - Which states?  tyedyeto   Sep-19-06 10:54 PM   #80 
  - how does a homeless person get a photo ID?  yodermon   Sep-19-06 09:40 PM   #7 
  - Homeless people are not advocated for much  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:00 PM   #47 
  - The difference between the ID required...  Kutjara   Sep-19-06 09:40 PM   #8 
  - You could potentially be turned away by a RW pollworker for having  ComerPerro   Sep-19-06 09:40 PM   #9 
  - If I'm not mistaken  magellan   Sep-19-06 09:41 PM   #10 
  - I think the issue is That it costs money to get one  acmejack   Sep-19-06 09:41 PM   #11 
  - It is NOT just a poll tax. And Dems are wrong to see it that way  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:17 AM   #126 
  - If they require passports, what then? Most people don't have them  ComerPerro   Sep-19-06 09:41 PM   #12 
  - A few problems I see.  hurricaneric   Sep-19-06 09:42 PM   #14 
  - I Wonder That Myself  iamjoy   Sep-19-06 09:42 PM   #16 
  - I think the business of acquiring an ID, period, is not that much an issue  BerryBush   Sep-19-06 09:52 PM   #30 
  - It's not the burden on the individual  Moochy   Sep-19-06 09:55 PM   #35 
  - They Can Challenge Anyway  iamjoy   Sep-19-06 09:59 PM   #45 
     - Yeah so why fight it?  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:01 PM   #48 
  - "You need an ID for anything in this country."  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:29 AM   #128 
  - I make them look at my ID  insane_cratic_gal   Sep-19-06 09:44 PM   #17 
  - Me too. My driver's license is from out of state, so I bring mail. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-19-06 09:51 PM   #29 
     - To prove you're not one of those Timothy McVeigh types?  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:43 AM   #129 
        - Everyone should follow the same rules. Me, Tim McVeigh, etc. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-20-06 09:12 AM   #156 
  - A couple of reasons:  marmar   Sep-19-06 09:44 PM   #19 
  - I sign my name to vote.  NYC   Sep-19-06 09:49 PM   #25 
  - Same System  BlueMole   Sep-19-06 11:04 PM   #87 
  - But but.. you could be a terra-ist  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:46 AM   #130 
  - Disparate Treatment  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:49 AM   #131 
  - Some people claim that it disenfranchises the poor.  OldSiouxWarrior   Sep-19-06 09:51 PM   #27 
  - not only "some democrats" but the DEPT OF JUSTICE  Moochy   Sep-19-06 09:56 PM   #39 
  - Twelve years ago.  OldSiouxWarrior   Sep-19-06 10:54 PM   #78 
     - That's exactly my question to you  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:59 PM   #82 
     - Again.... which states?  tyedyeto   Sep-19-06 11:05 PM   #88 
  - Facts to consider  loyalsister   Sep-20-06 03:40 AM   #147 
  - The types of IDs ordained in the various Republican initiatives...  Mister Ed   Sep-19-06 09:51 PM   #28 
  - I.D.'s at polling places are designed to eliminate lower class vote  Imagevision   Sep-19-06 09:54 PM   #33 
  - The poor and ill do not have access to get somewhere to get these cards.  kerry-is-my-prez   Sep-19-06 10:30 PM   #61 
  - There is no problem with voted fraud - this is just to disenfanchise  kerry-is-my-prez   Sep-19-06 09:56 PM   #36 
  - It will cost money for them - as much as $90 THAT'S why.  kerry-is-my-prez   Sep-19-06 09:57 PM   #40 
  - Its costly for some people  OzarkDem   Sep-19-06 09:57 PM   #41 
  - if it were all done fairly you might be right  Lexingtonian   Sep-19-06 09:57 PM   #42 
  - Don't want those poor and homeless folk to vote!  Nutmegger   Sep-19-06 09:58 PM   #43 
  - How exactly does a homeless person register? n/t  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 10:31 PM   #62 
  - When they are not homeless  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:39 PM   #65 
  - They can't get an I.D. when times are good? n/t  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 10:40 PM   #66 
     - They can  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:42 PM   #67 
     - Well.....  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 10:46 PM   #70 
        - Well you should research the subject  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:51 PM   #75 
        - Perhaps you could show me research...  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 10:54 PM   #79 
           - I doubt it would sway you  Moochy   Sep-19-06 11:01 PM   #84 
           - Well....  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 11:02 PM   #85 
              - Are you factoring in Time  Moochy   Sep-19-06 11:12 PM   #89 
              - Yes I am familiar with your statistic that you have parroted  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 11:18 PM   #91 
              - More parroting  Moochy   Sep-19-06 11:24 PM   #93 
                 - Oh an op-ed...that's a good way to convince someone who  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 11:40 PM   #98 
                 - Forget it you have your opinions  Moochy   Sep-19-06 11:43 PM   #100 
                    - Well...neither are you as far as the homeless part goes....  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 11:46 PM   #104 
                 - You need shoes to vote. He should have been stopped  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 03:36 AM   #146 
              - "id-obsessed" for a minute I pronounced it Freudian style  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 03:20 AM   #144 
              - Homeless people do not "have no residence"  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 02:02 AM   #135 
           - There are a great many Beltway elitists (George Will) who believe  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:57 AM   #134 
        - "possible drug addicts"  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:54 AM   #133 
     - Here in AZ, photo ID plus one other paper with your name and address  tyedyeto   Sep-19-06 10:44 PM   #68 
        - Answer: "Get a job and get a life"  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 02:04 AM   #136 
  - In my county, all you have to do is  cherokeeprogressive   Sep-19-06 11:30 PM   #95 
  - Because god knows they don't drive...  Balbus   Sep-20-06 12:01 AM   #109 
     - ?  Nutmegger   Sep-20-06 12:47 AM   #119 
     - "because god knows they don't drive"?  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 03:41 AM   #148 
  - You are for something you obviously know nothing about  kerry-is-my-prez   Sep-19-06 09:59 PM   #46 
  - Yeah it's unacceptable to think that!  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:01 PM   #50 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-19-06 10:59 PM   #81 
  - After finding out that I'm still on the rolls in all the different  MrsGrumpy   Sep-19-06 10:03 PM   #51 
  - See thats the point  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:07 PM   #53 
  - Of the two registered voters in my home (Me and my husband)  MrsGrumpy   Sep-19-06 10:11 PM   #54 
     - But what is your response to the  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:18 PM   #55 
     - Excuse me. You call me honest and glib in the same sentence?  MrsGrumpy   Sep-19-06 10:21 PM   #56 
        - Sorry for the offense.  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:26 PM   #58 
        - it is if you are poor, homeless, etc. - do you not have any empathy??  kerry-is-my-prez   Sep-19-06 10:48 PM   #72 
           - It has nothing to do with empathy.  MrsGrumpy   Sep-19-06 10:59 PM   #83 
     - You don't trust yourself to make the right call but you trust officials?  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 02:11 AM   #138 
     - Leopold, I am going to ask you to read my post again and then  MrsGrumpy   Sep-20-06 04:32 AM   #153 
     - I used to be an election judge  Yupster   Sep-20-06 02:30 AM   #141 
  - Punish poor people because YOU screwed up??  sandnsea   Sep-19-06 10:50 PM   #74 
  - Been there, done that, still show up on the rolls. Ummm...not my  MrsGrumpy   Sep-19-06 11:02 PM   #86 
     - 13 precincts?  sandnsea   Sep-20-06 12:44 AM   #116 
     - No offense meant, but  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 02:24 AM   #140 
  - If you're registered in all 5 places your ID will count in all of them.  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 02:06 AM   #137 
  - I am just really tired of all this....  stillcool47   Sep-19-06 10:07 PM   #52 
  - And thats the sinister nature of these laws  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:22 PM   #57 
     - and even worse...in this Rovian world we live in...  stillcool47   Sep-19-06 10:28 PM   #59 
     - What I'm trying to say  Moochy   Sep-19-06 10:29 PM   #60 
        - I wish that for a moment...  stillcool47   Sep-19-06 10:51 PM   #76 
     - It is because they don't trust their neighbors to do the right thing  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 02:32 AM   #142 
  - Passports are required for INTERNATIONAL travel, NOT for....  tyedyeto   Sep-19-06 10:32 PM   #63 
  - I never said that I.D. is required for domestic travel...n/t  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 10:37 PM   #64 
     - Sorry... that wasn't in your OP  tyedyeto   Sep-19-06 10:46 PM   #71 
     - Amtrak does...  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 02:40 AM   #143 
  - None of those things are in quite the same league as voting  treestar   Sep-19-06 10:46 PM   #69 
  - INALIENABLE RIGHTS CANNOT BE RESTRICTED BY "PAPERS, PLEASE".  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-19-06 11:17 PM   #90 
  - Do you have an ID? n/t  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 11:19 PM   #92 
  - Your original post stated "I am curious "  Moochy   Sep-19-06 11:37 PM   #97 
  - I also said...  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 11:41 PM   #99 
     - Nothing can shake you from your gut feeling about it  Moochy   Sep-19-06 11:47 PM   #105 
        - You cited one statistic from Lousiana...  Fountain79   Sep-19-06 11:50 PM   #107 
           - what great advances have we made since 94  Moochy   Sep-20-06 12:01 AM   #108 
           - It's not a statistical issue.  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 12:03 AM   #110 
  - This is what my neighbors always ask me when I discuss this with them  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 12:17 AM   #112 
  - If I said I had a library card, would that help? n/t  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 03:57 AM   #150 
  - I'm saddened & shocked that so few have echoed this point on this thread  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-19-06 11:30 PM   #94 
     - Why not just Chips instead of IDs  Moochy   Sep-20-06 12:30 AM   #113 
        - When Tyrrany comes to the US, it will be Chocolate-Flavored.  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 12:46 AM   #118 
  - What surprises me is that there are states  Jed Dilligan   Sep-19-06 11:37 PM   #96 
  - I agree with I.D. for voting, but ID must free to all citizens. nt  Clarkie1   Sep-19-06 11:45 PM   #103 
  - If so, then what's the point? To exclude those who don't get it?  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 01:04 AM   #123 
  - As requested: ***** BLOCK THE VOTE ***** PBS NOW *****  Sapphire Blue   Sep-20-06 12:05 AM   #111 
  - What's democracy anyway???  upi402   Sep-20-06 01:53 AM   #132 
  - the issue is cost/accessibility, and oversight to prevent abuse  rman   Sep-20-06 03:35 AM   #145 
  - This is it, folks... the internal passport  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-20-06 03:55 AM   #149 
  - We shouldn't prevent legal people from voting but we also want less fraud  OregonDem   Sep-20-06 04:13 AM   #151 
  - You seem to imply the main problem is "voter fraud" rather than  rman   Sep-20-06 04:23 AM   #152 
  - Lets make a deal!! Photo ID for paper ballots!  B Calm   Sep-20-06 05:32 AM   #155 
  - Locking.  Moderator   Sep-20-06 09:43 AM   #159 
 

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