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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #113
119. Atomic Kitten
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 11:28 AM by karynnj
Your message made me see the light.

I will take everything said by Bill Clinton as gospel truth. I will ignore any time in the past where there was reason to see Bill Clinton as ever saying things to further an agenda. I will ignore the fact that everyone says that Hillary is a front runner in 2008. I will ignore that it is likely that if Hillary runs, her own husband will support her.

No, I seriously can't do that - you have to look at the past to understand the present and to predict the future.

I do ask, did YOU read the 23 page New Yorker article? My comments are based on having read it. I stand behind every FACT and every OPINION I posted.

I also happen to think that Clinton's comments calling Kerry, whose National Security credentials are among the best the Democrats have, as weak on defense was detrimental to the party. Especially as:

- Clinton has picked up Kerry's 2004 call for improving port security and implementing the 911 recommendation
- Clinton has picked up Kerry's call to realize that Afghanistan is a problem (It's interesting that Clinton criticized Kerry speaking out on Tora Bora in 2002)
- George Will and others have commented that Kerry was right on the WoT in 2004
- Kerry has a real Iraq plan, Clinton doesn't even have a clear position
- Clinton is now crediting to Hillary and all Democrats (except Lieberman), Kerry's reason for voting for IWR - though Kerry did speak out before the war and the Clintons, who had a bigger voice, didn't.
- Kerry is, as Clinton said, a decorated war hero.

Clinton CONTRASTED Hillary's "strong" position to Kerry's "weak" position - we are not making up that Clinton is trying to push his wife for President.
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  - Tellin' it like it is  Fighting Irish   Sep-18-06 08:59 PM   #1 
  - God, how I miss  liberalhistorian   Sep-18-06 09:01 PM   #4 
     - Our Last Non-Retarded President.  grytpype   Sep-18-06 09:38 PM   #10 
        - I agree. He always had a golden tongue too  barb162   Sep-19-06 12:07 PM   #58 
  - DUPE  Opusnone   Sep-18-06 09:00 PM   #2 
  - What about sueing the living crap out of ABC?  cryingshame   Sep-18-06 09:00 PM   #3 
  - To take it to that extent  wtmusic   Sep-19-06 10:43 AM   #40 
  - The observation about the Kerry campaign is, unfortunately, dead-on.  elperromagico   Sep-18-06 09:03 PM   #5 
  - And just what did Clinton base that remark on?  INdemo   Sep-19-06 07:32 AM   #18 
  - But Clinton told ALTERNATE press he now thinks Kerry won and that RFK  blm   Sep-19-06 08:34 AM   #24 
  - perhaps those aren't two contradictory statements  kineta   Sep-19-06 10:59 AM   #43 
     - Please don't hold two thoughts in head at once.  A-Schwarzenegger   Sep-19-06 11:09 AM   #48 
     - "It's UNACCEPTABLE to think." - GWB n/t  NurseLefty   Sep-20-06 09:42 AM   #115 
        - I think that's spelled UNEXCETPIBLE.  A-Schwarzenegger   Sep-20-06 04:21 PM   #124 
     - The deer was the DNC of Clintonites who didn't believe in machine fraud.  blm   Sep-19-06 11:12 AM   #50 
     - I agree they don't have to conflict  karynnj   Sep-19-06 01:05 PM   #66 
  - Actually it's not  karynnj   Sep-19-06 01:01 PM   #65 
     - I think the Perot factor was a net zero gain  dansolo   Sep-19-06 06:56 PM   #100 
     - Those studies ignore the dynamics of the election.  karynnj   Sep-19-06 11:00 PM   #102 
        - Man, I come from the old school, Clinton? actions speak louder then words!  Imagevision   Sep-19-06 11:30 PM   #108 
     - I agree with you  blue cat   Sep-19-06 08:23 PM   #101 
        - Thanks - I wish I wrote it in less anger  karynnj   Sep-19-06 11:04 PM   #103 
  - Still one smart guy. I appreciate his continued presence in public life,  pinto   Sep-18-06 09:04 PM   #6 
  - Yup, you got to be a ham to some degree to be President  ktlyon   Sep-19-06 08:25 AM   #22 
  - Hmmm... Lots of DEMS, and the vast majority of people...  PaulHo   Sep-18-06 09:16 PM   #7 
  - Yes, including 22 Dems and 1 Indepedent...  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-19-06 10:41 AM   #39 
  - It was never a majority of people in the US  karynnj   Sep-19-06 11:36 PM   #109 
  - I would much rather a president that prefers......  rubberducky   Sep-18-06 09:26 PM   #8 
  - "I've reached an age now where it doesn't matter whatever happens to me...  Ilsa   Sep-18-06 09:34 PM   #9 
  - How the hell did we go from such smart men like Clinton & Carter to  mtnsnake   Sep-18-06 09:43 PM   #11 
  - more  kpete   Sep-18-06 09:57 PM   #12 
  - He may not be prez, but he has a HUGE voice. And he needs to  CLW   Sep-19-06 12:04 PM   #57 
     - True  karynnj   Sep-19-06 01:10 PM   #67 
  - Lets assume that Clinton could have and would have ran against Bush in  INdemo   Sep-18-06 10:09 PM   #13 
  - Diebold-ing is only possible if...  app_farmer_rb   Sep-19-06 08:00 AM   #21 
  - When votes are switching from candidate A to candidate B, margins mean zip  blm   Sep-19-06 08:43 AM   #26 
  - How about running against him in 2000?  Ignacio Upton   Sep-19-06 03:52 PM   #86 
  - "like a deeer caught in the headlights"  CarlVK   Sep-18-06 10:12 PM   #14 
  - And I agree whole heartedly with that observation.  TankLV   Sep-18-06 11:04 PM   #17 
  - Bill "RFK Jr. makes a compelling case that Kerry won" Clinton?  blm   Sep-19-06 08:37 AM   #25 
  - So Clinton flew the planes into the WTC, eh?  tomreedtoon   Sep-19-06 02:46 PM   #77 
  - HORSEpoo. No one has EVER said Kerry told Clinton to be quiet. That's  blm   Sep-19-06 02:56 PM   #79 
  - Why do think Clinton would have listened?  karynnj   Sep-20-06 10:59 AM   #116 
  - you bought the rumor HOOK, LINE, & sinker!  ray of light   Sep-19-06 03:06 PM   #80 
  - Attacking Bill Clinton in favor of Kerry. That's a new one!  CarlVK   Sep-19-06 03:07 PM   #82 
     - Can you refute what was said? Nope.  blm   Sep-19-06 05:02 PM   #93 
  - What Bill won't say or do to promote Hillary's presidential aspirations--  flpoljunkie   Sep-19-06 09:35 AM   #32 
  - She's why he met with "selected" bloggers.  madfloridian   Sep-19-06 11:10 AM   #49 
  - Yep! Totally transparent act.  flpoljunkie   Sep-19-06 12:27 PM   #64 
  - Dick Morris - ugggh  karynnj   Sep-19-06 01:15 PM   #69 
  - And Clinton never lies or distorts the truth?  karynnj   Sep-19-06 01:12 PM   #68 
  - i can't shake the nagging suspicion  datasuspect   Sep-19-06 01:30 PM   #73 
  - As someone who desperately needs universal health care  realpolitik   Sep-18-06 10:31 PM   #15 
  - That article in The New Yorker was worth the price of the  Democrat 4 Ever   Sep-18-06 10:57 PM   #16 
     - thanks for the tip  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-06 12:11 PM   #59 
     - He disses Gore, too. See, Gore and Kerry won he sez to one crowd and then  blm   Sep-19-06 02:45 PM   #76 
        - Clinton was asked and gave campaign advice  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-06 05:00 PM   #91 
           - I am quite certain I have read all the many layers to all these characters  blm   Sep-19-06 05:06 PM   #94 
              - ***  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-06 05:14 PM   #97 
     - I agree - He is infuriating, but he is doing good onsome things  karynnj   Sep-19-06 01:18 PM   #70 
  - Completely agree w/ his comments on death  OzarkDem   Sep-19-06 07:37 AM   #19 
  - WE MISS YOU, PRESIDENT CLINTON!  Mad_Dem_X   Sep-19-06 07:59 AM   #20 
  - Well, I am sick of Clinton and his ego.  wisteria   Sep-19-06 08:26 AM   #23 
  - You got it  INdemo   Sep-19-06 08:53 AM   #28 
  - "..concentrate on the Republicans. "  cat_girl25   Sep-19-06 08:59 AM   #30 
  - 2 words.  fudge stripe cookays   Sep-19-06 09:51 AM   #35 
  - Good point  wtmusic   Sep-19-06 10:37 AM   #38 
  - I'm sick of Clinton bashing and am putting you on ignore.  LoZoccolo   Sep-19-06 11:31 AM   #52 
     - Clinton was good for American relations with other countries  savemefromdumbya   Sep-19-06 11:46 AM   #56 
        - I heard that while I was petitioning to get Dean on the primary ballot.  LoZoccolo   Sep-19-06 12:16 PM   #61 
  - We need more people to say that......  BlueJac   Sep-19-06 08:43 AM   #27 
  - Has Chelsea enlisted yet?  HamdenRice   Sep-19-06 08:58 AM   #29 
  - why should chelsea, jenna and barbara go  muryan   Sep-19-06 03:48 PM   #85 
  - If memory serves, Gore Sr. was against the war....  PaulHo   Sep-19-06 04:36 PM   #87 
  - Chelsea has a right to do what she pleases  politicasista   Sep-19-06 04:50 PM   #89 
  - Bill Clinton on Bush uranium line: 'Everybody makes mistakes'  ProSense   Sep-19-06 09:04 AM   #31 
  - Thanks for the link, and the reminder of how Bill stood with Bush.  flpoljunkie   Sep-19-06 09:39 AM   #34 
  - That was dead wrong for him to say that.  madfloridian   Sep-19-06 11:07 AM   #47 
  - The problem with "the winning business"  Strawman   Sep-19-06 09:38 AM   #33 
  - Remember Al Gore  EnemyCombatant   Sep-19-06 10:25 AM   #36 
  - Agree on almost everything you said  karynnj   Sep-19-06 01:25 PM   #71 
  - Welcome to D.U. EnemyCombatant  Uncle Joe   Sep-20-06 12:02 PM   #121 
  - Bullshit, that's an exaggeration.  LoZoccolo   Sep-19-06 11:33 AM   #53 
  - There's a point where Clinton concedes too much  Strawman   Sep-19-06 01:34 PM   #74 
  - Well that assumes we want to be honorable......  DWilliamsamh   Sep-19-06 02:18 PM   #75 
  - Any words critical of Bush, as deadly accurate as his Kerry quip was?  confludemocrat   Sep-19-06 10:34 AM   #37 
  - Kerry won even with Clinton publicaly supporting Bush from 2001-2004  blm   Sep-19-06 10:56 AM   #42 
  - I strongly disagree with your own fantasied version of the 04 election,  wisteria   Sep-19-06 11:00 AM   #44 
  - Why would Clinton do that? It doesn't help Hillary  karynnj   Sep-19-06 01:27 PM   #72 
  - opreatives? geez you have a heck of an imagination!  ray of light   Sep-19-06 03:07 PM   #81 
     - Hit a nerve did I? The usual Kerry operatives are here.  confludemocrat   Sep-20-06 03:56 PM   #122 
  - "deer caught in the headlights"  ProSense   Sep-19-06 10:49 AM   #41 
  - you are attributing  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-06 12:21 PM   #62 
  - This is ridiculous...Clinton is trying to boost Hillary's chances  ray of light   Sep-19-06 03:10 PM   #84 
  - unless you are sleeping under Clinton's bed  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-06 04:46 PM   #88 
     - If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck  karynnj   Sep-19-06 05:02 PM   #92 
     - lol--riiiiiiiiiiiight...and I'm sure that when he wagged his  ray of light   Sep-20-06 05:51 AM   #112 
  - Did you read the 23 page New Yorker article? Not online  karynnj   Sep-19-06 04:58 PM   #90 
  - "I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq"  ProSense   Sep-19-06 05:08 PM   #95 
  - tell ya what, kerry fans  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-06 05:13 PM   #96 
  - Excellent bait and switch and extrapolation! n/t  ProSense   Sep-19-06 05:20 PM   #98 
     - If you had a clue what those terms meant  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-06 11:16 PM   #104 
        - Here:  ProSense   Sep-20-06 12:20 AM   #110 
           - Okay, I'll draw it for you since you need help.  AtomicKitten   Sep-20-06 08:59 AM   #113 
              - "you have tried switching the focus to the accuser"  ProSense   Sep-20-06 09:35 AM   #114 
              - Atomic Kitten  karynnj   Sep-20-06 11:27 AM   #119 
  - Nice catch, Prosense  karynnj   Sep-19-06 11:26 PM   #107 
  - Neither here nor there, Prosense, a "bobble" at best and a fumble really  confludemocrat   Sep-20-06 04:11 PM   #123 
  - Well  Bushladen   Sep-19-06 11:02 AM   #45 
  - He blasts Kerry, then hangs around with all the Bushes....I resent that.  madfloridian   Sep-19-06 11:05 AM   #46 
  - He called himself an Eisenhower Republican. What else do you want?  CarlVK   Sep-19-06 03:10 PM   #83 
  - Wow, nobody has a problem with this?:  A-Schwarzenegger   Sep-19-06 11:15 AM   #51 
  - Bill talks, nothing happens  rman   Sep-19-06 11:37 AM   #54 
  - You talk, I don't hear it.  LoZoccolo   Sep-19-06 11:41 AM   #55 
  - Clinton: I am very proud of John Kerry and the campaign he has run.  ProSense   Sep-19-06 12:15 PM   #60 
  - it's a speech  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-06 12:23 PM   #63 
     - If he was speaking candidly he'd say what he really thinks - Kerry should  blm   Sep-19-06 02:48 PM   #78 
  - Clinton on the voting machines! "chirp chirp"  Joanne98   Sep-19-06 06:16 PM   #99 
  - Clinton on the voting machines! "chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp"!!  Imagevision   Sep-19-06 11:24 PM   #106 
  - Mr. Clinton should share a plan to deal with Rove election antics  Imagevision   Sep-19-06 11:21 PM   #105 
  - To the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008:  njdemocrat106   Sep-20-06 02:34 AM   #111 
  - Clinton advised Kerry to support anti-gay amendments during the campaign.  blm   Sep-20-06 11:27 AM   #120 
  - My advice to Bill would be to expose that BS at every opportunity.  spanone   Sep-20-06 11:04 AM   #117 
  - Bill Clinton has a pottymouth?  Rosemary2205   Sep-20-06 11:05 AM   #118 

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