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Response to Reply #94
123. What Are You Talking About? Please Elaborate.
Since I didn't call that poster a liar to begin with, your out of the blue unprovoked claims of that being my M.O. are completely without merit. I also see that you chose not to respond to any substance of my argument whatsoever but instead offered nothing more than personal attack. I would ask that you not attack me personally in the future, but instead follow the rules and respond to the substance of my post. If there is something about it you disagree with, than please state those things and the reasons why rather than just empty attacks on me personally.

Thanks.
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  -I am offended when someone calls $80,000/year poor Nikia  Sep-16-06 10:41 AM   #0 
  - No argument here and I think you stated it well.  Cerridwen   Sep-16-06 10:45 AM   #1 
  - I live on $7236 a year, $80,000 would be fabulously wealthy to me  Wiley50   Sep-16-06 03:25 PM   #91 
     - i know many, many people with situations similar to yours  datasuspect   Sep-16-06 04:26 PM   #102 
     - Thanks For Noticing. We are Mainly Ignored  Wiley50   Sep-16-06 06:44 PM   #118 
     - And you are not alone...  Iowa   Sep-16-06 10:00 PM   #145 
     - 13.91% makes my belly feel full  Wiley50   Sep-16-06 10:04 PM   #146 
     - I Have A Somalian Friend  mntleo2   Sep-17-06 12:03 AM   #164 
        - I agree...  Iowa   Sep-17-06 12:09 AM   #166 
     - we live on $14K/year  kineneb   Sep-16-06 10:09 PM   #149 
        - Yeah Sis, I hear you loud and clear from where I sit  Wiley50   Sep-16-06 10:38 PM   #153 
  - Very well put, Nikia.  zanne   Sep-16-06 10:48 AM   #2 
  - Recommended.  Cobalt Violet   Sep-16-06 10:49 AM   #3 
  - People with children making $80,000 generally don't belong  Warpy   Sep-16-06 10:50 AM   #4 
  - Some of them have those choices and make those choices  Nikia   Sep-16-06 11:05 AM   #17 
  - Try reading the last paragraph,for starters  Warpy   Sep-16-06 11:15 AM   #21 
     - I don't buy whatever you are selling  hfojvt   Sep-16-06 03:09 PM   #86 
        - as for your "another story" remember that will always fall on deaf ears  RGBolen   Sep-16-06 09:58 PM   #143 
  - $80,000 a year is not rich, especially in some parts of the country  orangepeel68   Sep-16-06 02:23 PM   #70 
  - A family of 4 or 5 will pay over $1,000 a month for health insurance alone  OzarkDem   Sep-16-06 02:59 PM   #85 
  - that is not true, at all  hfojvt   Sep-16-06 03:28 PM   #92 
     - I pay $500 a month for my portion of healthcare  bleedingheart   Sep-16-06 04:27 PM   #103 
     - ouch. Showing that I have a very good employer  hfojvt   Sep-16-06 05:41 PM   #112 
     - Right, that's realistic  OzarkDem   Sep-16-06 09:59 PM   #144 
     - Not everyone has employer paid health care costs  OzarkDem   Sep-16-06 09:58 PM   #142 
     - not everyone doesn't  hfojvt   Sep-17-06 03:06 AM   #187 
     - I pay $600 a month  Horse with no Name   Sep-16-06 10:06 PM   # 
  - I think I understand what you're trying to say here...  Iowa   Sep-16-06 08:52 PM   #136 
     - Huh?  girl gone mad   Sep-17-06 02:56 AM   #186 
        - Nope, no internet bubble type investments...  Iowa   Sep-17-06 04:58 AM   #191 
  - I'm curious..  sendero   Sep-16-06 10:51 AM   #5 
  - I didn't, if OP refers to me.  skids   Sep-16-06 03:11 PM   #89 
     - I find it offensive when somebody says $80000 is even middle class  hfojvt   Sep-16-06 03:37 PM   #93 
        - I think a family living on $80,000  Dorian Gray   Sep-16-06 04:44 PM   #108 
        - And one sick child will wipe them out.  aquart   Sep-16-06 05:45 PM   #113 
        - well, I would like to see qunitles broken out for urban areas  hfojvt   Sep-16-06 06:03 PM   #116 
           - Of course...  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 12:34 AM   #169 
        - Then we'll have to agree...  skids   Sep-16-06 05:35 PM   #111 
           - CPI is not relevant here (not that I have those numbers)  hfojvt   Sep-16-06 06:32 PM   #117 
              - Class status does not follow the people.  skids   Sep-17-06 02:20 AM   #182 
                 - according to that link from wiki  hfojvt   Sep-17-06 03:41 AM   #190 
  - does anyone actually say that?  anarch   Sep-16-06 10:51 AM   #6 
  - Anyone who thinks that should  OwnedByFerrets   Sep-16-06 10:55 AM   #9 
  - Yep a dim wit called Judy Barr Topinka  Monkeyman   Sep-16-06 10:55 AM   #11 
     - for me, this begs the question, what the hell was her point?  anarch   Sep-16-06 11:02 AM   #14 
  - BRAVO, Nikia,...  Parisle   Sep-16-06 10:53 AM   #7 
  - I am offended too  CountAllVotes   Sep-16-06 10:54 AM   #8 
  - There are many jobs and careers that don't command high salaries  Nikia   Sep-16-06 11:18 AM   #23 
  - Who said $80K per year is "poor"?  ReverendDeuce   Sep-16-06 10:55 AM   #10 
  - Very well said and so true  HeeBGBz   Sep-16-06 10:59 AM   #12 
  - i understand your frustration  buddhamama   Sep-16-06 11:00 AM   #13 
  - A few years ago, there was an article in the NYT Magazine  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-16-06 11:15 AM   #20 
  - well, i can't argue with you...  buddhamama   Sep-16-06 11:20 AM   #24 
     - No, it's not rich, but it's not poor, either  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-16-06 11:24 AM   #26 
     - i know what poor is  buddhamama   Sep-16-06 11:29 AM   #30 
        - Sorry, buddhamama, I wasn't trying to lecture you  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-16-06 12:02 PM   #34 
           - forgive me  buddhamama   Sep-16-06 12:05 PM   #35 
              - No problem!  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-16-06 12:13 PM   #36 
     - why isn't it rich?  hfojvt   Sep-16-06 04:06 PM   #100 
        - read the post  buddhamama   Sep-16-06 05:07 PM   #109 
  - My father  petersond   Sep-16-06 04:32 PM   #104 
  - Well said. I, myself, cannot say I have ever been,...  Ferretherder   Sep-16-06 11:05 AM   #15 
  - I am infuriated!  acmejack   Sep-16-06 11:05 AM   #16 
  - ditto!!!  Swamp Rat   Sep-16-06 03:09 PM   #87 
  - There are those who consider it rich who are wrong as well...  Finder   Sep-16-06 11:12 AM   #18 
  - bingo  ComerPerro   Sep-16-06 12:54 PM   #41 
  - Thank you  never_get_over_it   Sep-16-06 02:12 PM   #62 
     - Bless your heart  lukasahero   Sep-16-06 02:56 PM   #83 
     - True. But they need to stop voting Republican.  thecatburgler   Sep-16-06 07:41 PM   #129 
     - True enough  never_get_over_it   Sep-17-06 12:53 AM   #172 
     - Bingo.  blossomstar   Sep-16-06 11:18 PM   #158 
  - I come from the "working poor"  deutsey   Sep-16-06 11:14 AM   #19 
  - I know many, many people  mongo   Sep-16-06 11:15 AM   #22 
  - And I know many who consider that "poor"  Patiod   Sep-16-06 01:01 PM   #45 
  - Depends on where you live, and how many people  Jed Dilligan   Sep-16-06 11:24 AM   #25 
  - Anyone who calls 80K/year 'poor' is a moron. Period.  Union Thug   Sep-16-06 11:25 AM   #27 
  - In Alaska  DenaliDemocrat   Sep-16-06 11:25 AM   #28 
  - But the comment came from an Illinois candidate for governor  Bucky   Sep-16-06 12:34 PM   #39 
     - Cost of living in Illinois could be quite high end.  Tigress DEM   Sep-16-06 01:54 PM   #52 
  - With the tax structure in this country a person GROSSING!!  bigdarryl   Sep-16-06 11:27 AM   #29 
  - The trick is to actually work  InkAddict   Sep-16-06 11:33 AM   #31 
  - One dimension that must be considered is whether that is 2 incomes or 1  lostnfound   Sep-16-06 11:34 AM   #32 
  - Me Too Nikia!  mntleo2   Sep-16-06 11:47 AM   #33 
  - As others have already asked: Who's saying $80K/year is poor?  tuvor   Sep-16-06 12:30 PM   #37 
  - The Damn Pope Said That!!!!  genie_weenie   Sep-16-06 12:31 PM   #38 
  - The Pope said that?  fortyfeetunder   Sep-16-06 01:14 PM   #48 
     - You guys aren't taking into account the Cost of Living in Rome.  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-16-06 11:38 PM   #162 
  - My wife and I combined  shadowknows69   Sep-16-06 12:52 PM   #40 
  - Well written, and thank you!! All this moaning from those who  bobbolink   Sep-16-06 12:55 PM   #42 
  - gads, even 40k/year isn't poor!  ananda   Sep-16-06 12:55 PM   #43 
  - So who called a $80K income poor?  MUSTANG_2004   Sep-16-06 12:59 PM   #44 
  - That was my question.  donco6   Sep-16-06 01:55 PM   #54 
  - I agree. $80,000 a year is enough to make ends meet for a  Cleita   Sep-16-06 01:04 PM   #46 
  - Not True.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 01:57 PM   #56 
     - Wow, calling me a liar are you?  Cleita   Sep-16-06 02:08 PM   #61 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-16-06 02:14 PM   #65 
        - Yup, that's his M.O.  bobbolink   Sep-16-06 03:43 PM   #94 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-16-06 03:56 PM   #98 
           - What Are You Talking About? Please Elaborate.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 07:29 PM   #123 
  - I am poor now but I think that when compared to Billionaires they  jwirr   Sep-16-06 01:11 PM   #47 
  - "In Context" would be helpful. $80,000 can be called "working class poor  Tigress DEM   Sep-16-06 01:16 PM   #49 
  - Yeah, I've heard people here on DU complaining that 100K  TheGoldenRule   Sep-16-06 01:37 PM   #50 
  - Excuse You, But We Bring In Over 100,000 And We're Still Struggling.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 01:51 PM   #51 
  - you don't need to take it so personally  mark414   Sep-16-06 01:55 PM   #55 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-16-06 02:03 PM   #59 
  - My Reply Wasn't Limited To Being Personal.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 07:37 PM   #126 
  - I can see with your mortgage and child care where you would  Cleita   Sep-16-06 02:13 PM   #64 
  - Ok, You Don't Have To Answer My Post Above Then.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 02:19 PM   #67 
     - Keep your house even though it's a trial right now.  Cleita   Sep-16-06 02:25 PM   #72 
     - used to live in chicago  datasuspect   Sep-16-06 02:47 PM   #78 
        - Well Thankfully We Got The House Right Before The Boom.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 02:49 PM   #80 
           - 30 miles or so from NYC?  datasuspect   Sep-16-06 02:51 PM   #81 
           - You're Right. We Can't Go More East At All.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 02:55 PM   #82 
           - That's a $1200 mortgage - not $1800  sandnsea   Sep-16-06 03:10 PM   #88 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-16-06 03:20 PM   #90 
              - Of course  sandnsea   Sep-16-06 03:57 PM   #99 
                 - A $183,00 = annual local tax of $4812/year  rainbow4321   Sep-16-06 04:44 PM   #107 
                 - And taxes in Hopatcong  sandnsea   Sep-16-06 05:09 PM   #110 
                 - You Have No Idea What You're Talking About When It Comes To MY Mortgage.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 07:23 PM   #120 
              - Don't Tell Me What My Own Mortgage Is Nor Assume You Have Any Idea  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 07:34 PM   #124 
              - OMC! Dude, Cool off before you pop an artery!  Wiley50   Sep-16-06 07:49 PM   #132 
                 - You're Right Bro.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 08:15 PM   #133 
              - Here Ya Go. Now You Can Give Me An Apology.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 08:42 PM   #135 
                 - That's just crazy!  calmblueocean   Sep-17-06 02:13 AM   #181 
                    - My Wife And I Ask That All The Time. How The Hell Do They Do It?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-17-06 02:36 AM   #184 
  - I didn't see this post with figures before I posted on the other...n/t  Finder   Sep-16-06 04:23 PM   #101 
     - Oh Ok, Fair Enough. :o)  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 07:25 PM   #121 
  - So who said this?  Warren Stupidity   Sep-16-06 01:55 PM   #53 
  - Less than $3,000,000 + house is NOT upper middle class. $80K is upper is  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-17-06 12:07 AM   #165 
  - It depends  Herman Munster   Sep-16-06 01:59 PM   # 
  - A family with $80K is gloriously comfortable.  SmokingJacket   Sep-16-06 01:59 PM   #57 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-16-06 02:07 PM   #60 
  - You are dead on. As I said in my previous post, there is NO WAY...  Union Thug   Sep-16-06 02:21 PM   #68 
  - Who the hell thinks $80k a year is poor??  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 02:00 PM   #58 
  - where do you live?  Herman Munster   Sep-16-06 02:12 PM   #63 
     - Ah, so you're saying "lower mid class" in some areas. That's different  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 02:46 PM   #77 
  - Even the Average American Earning Half That  Jcrowley   Sep-16-06 02:15 PM   #66 
  - The middle class...  skids   Sep-16-06 05:50 PM   #114 
     - It's a very bad idea  Jcrowley   Sep-16-06 09:18 PM   #138 
     - Let me get this straight.  skids   Sep-17-06 02:27 AM   #183 
     - Do you think $40,000 a year is "lower class with delusions of lucor"?  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-17-06 12:40 AM   #170 
        - No, that's not what I said.  skids   Sep-17-06 02:12 AM   #180 
  - I'm with You (nt)  stepnw1f   Sep-16-06 02:23 PM   #69 
  - Add my name to the list of people asking who said $80k/year was poor.  Marr   Sep-16-06 02:24 PM   #71 
  - Judy Barr Topinka n/t  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-17-06 12:47 AM   #171 
  - stop ignoring the post by asking "who says that?!?!" and start talking  mark414   Sep-16-06 02:27 PM   #73 
  - Because if it's not happening, it's sort of dumb to get outraged  Marr   Sep-16-06 02:34 PM   #75 
  - I am offended when someone says squids teach algebra.  Marr   Sep-16-06 02:33 PM   #74 
  - Salary calculator (compares cities/states)  rainbow4321   Sep-16-06 02:39 PM   #76 
  - excellent resource---thanks eom  deek   Sep-16-06 02:57 PM   #84 
  - In some circles, you are poor at 80,000, but "poor" is relative  Selatius   Sep-16-06 02:48 PM   #79 
  - I don't see how anyone can make it on $80k  AngryAmish   Sep-16-06 03:45 PM   #95 
  - mine is 12,000 per month  datasuspect   Sep-16-06 03:47 PM   #96 
     - they do!  AngryAmish   Sep-16-06 03:50 PM   #97 
  - This is why we Democrats have problems...the peasants fight amongst  bleedingheart   Sep-16-06 04:34 PM   #105 
  - Okay.  LWolf   Sep-16-06 04:37 PM   #106 
  - Apparently not. But suggesting so makes for great flame wars.  tuvor   Sep-16-06 06:01 PM   #115 
  - Judy Barr Topinka, and many other political figures  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-17-06 12:57 AM   # 
  - Yes. But I'm also offended when $80,000 per year for a couple means debt-  1932   Sep-16-06 06:48 PM   #119 
  - Hear! Hear!  Prag   Sep-16-06 07:36 PM   #125 
  - Exactly right.  1932   Sep-16-06 11:24 PM   #159 
  - What infuriates me is when these people that make 80K vote Republican  AllieB   Sep-16-06 07:43 PM   #130 
  - That's the democrats' fault for not making the obvious arguments to  1932   Sep-16-06 10:49 PM   #156 
  - No opportunities for what?  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-17-06 01:04 AM   #176 
  - Please provide a reference, otherwise this is just a straw man  BlueEyedSon   Sep-16-06 07:29 PM   #122 
  - Thanks for sounding the Strawman Klaxon BlueEyedSon.  Prag   Sep-16-06 07:38 PM   #128 
     - Hardly a klaxon, just a question  BlueEyedSon   Sep-16-06 07:47 PM   #131 
        - Judy Barr Topinka  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-17-06 01:09 AM   #177 
  - Thank you  thecatburgler   Sep-16-06 07:37 PM   #127 
  - The phrase 'poor graduate student' sends me off the deep end  Gormy Cuss   Sep-16-06 09:05 PM   #137 
     - Yeah, no kidding...  COSPRINGS   Sep-16-06 09:54 PM   #141 
     - Uh, what field would that be in?  alittlelark   Sep-16-06 10:04 PM   #147 
        - Engineering...  trekbiker   Sep-17-06 02:38 AM   #185 
     - Not to mention that the truly poor will never be able to get a  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-17-06 01:15 AM   #178 
  - I make 80k and I'm not poor but I'm not living large either  nini   Sep-16-06 08:31 PM   #134 
  - Nikia, I am with you  Jim Warren   Sep-16-06 09:46 PM   #139 
  - This is the STUPIDEST 'some people say' thread I've seen in a long time  Husb2Sparkly   Sep-16-06 09:46 PM   #140 
  - "Some People Say" Shades of Faux News  Wiley50   Sep-16-06 10:11 PM   #150 
  - huh?  Husb2Sparkly   Sep-16-06 10:20 PM   #151 
     - It really doesn't matter who said it ( or really if it was ever said )  Wiley50   Sep-16-06 11:47 PM   #163 
  - Answer: Numerous political activists have said this, especially in DC  Leopolds Ghost   Sep-17-06 12:25 AM   #167 
  - Amen, Nikia!!! Anyone who makes $80k a year is  ikojo   Sep-16-06 10:06 PM   #148 
  - I don't recall anyone saying $80000 a year is poor  doc03   Sep-16-06 10:35 PM   #152 
  - Who said that?  lectrobyte   Sep-16-06 10:41 PM   #154 
  - Who told you that $80K a year was poor?  bleedingheart   Sep-16-06 10:48 PM   #155 
  - 80K aint that much in New York....  Singular73   Sep-16-06 10:53 PM   #157 
  - Well Said. n/t  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 11:25 PM   #160 
  - Or Los Angeles  Nikki Stone 1   Sep-17-06 12:57 AM   #175 
  - I live in the Keys. My husband and I combined make close to 80.  tinfoilinfor2005   Sep-16-06 11:35 PM   #161 
  - I actually know someone who  greccogirl   Sep-17-06 12:30 AM   #168 
  - For two years  hyphenate   Sep-17-06 12:55 AM   #173 
  - $80,000/yr is poor compared to $150,000/hr  rman   Sep-17-06 12:56 AM   #174 
  - True, however--  eridani   Sep-17-06 01:57 AM   #179 
  - Considering that the MEDIAN household income is only $43k or so,  entanglement   Sep-17-06 03:22 AM   #188 
  - We are ALL working class bros & sis....  GreenTea   Sep-17-06 03:38 AM   #189 
  - Locking  petersond   Sep-17-06 06:53 AM   #192 
 

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