| 20. A few years ago, there was an article in the NYT Magazine |
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about a family that was "struggling" on $100,000 a year.
Now, the cost of living in Manhattan IS high, but this family had all sorts of excuses about why they "had to" make certain expenditures, such as private school for two children and having a cleaning lady come in once a week.
I wonder what their cleaning lady thought about that if she read the article.
When I see a family headed by two professionals that is "struggling" to make ends meet, I usually see one that is living in a huge house in the exurbs (while the parents themselves grew up in a three-bedroom rambler in an inner suburb: one bedroom for the parents, one for the boys, and one for the girls), an SUV for each parent, as well as a car for each child over 16 (where their parents got along with one sedan, or perhaps a station wagon), that has their children signed up for every conceivable activity, and that has to have every latest fashion and electronic gadget. The cars alone are at minimum $6,000 a year each, and the demands of exurban life require constant driving.
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| -I am offended when someone calls $80,000/year poor |
Nikia |
Sep-16-06 10:41 AM |
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No argument here and I think you stated it well. |
Cerridwen |
Sep-16-06 10:45 AM |
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I live on $7236 a year, $80,000 would be fabulously wealthy to me |
Wiley50 |
Sep-16-06 03:25 PM |
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i know many, many people with situations similar to yours |
datasuspect |
Sep-16-06 04:26 PM |
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Thanks For Noticing. We are Mainly Ignored |
Wiley50 |
Sep-16-06 06:44 PM |
#118 |
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And you are not alone... |
Iowa |
Sep-16-06 10:00 PM |
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13.91% makes my belly feel full |
Wiley50 |
Sep-16-06 10:04 PM |
#146 |
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I Have A Somalian Friend |
mntleo2 |
Sep-17-06 12:03 AM |
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I agree... |
Iowa |
Sep-17-06 12:09 AM |
#166 |
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we live on $14K/year |
kineneb |
Sep-16-06 10:09 PM |
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Yeah Sis, I hear you loud and clear from where I sit |
Wiley50 |
Sep-16-06 10:38 PM |
#153 |
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Very well put, Nikia. |
zanne |
Sep-16-06 10:48 AM |
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Recommended. |
Cobalt Violet |
Sep-16-06 10:49 AM |
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People with children making $80,000 generally don't belong |
Warpy |
Sep-16-06 10:50 AM |
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Some of them have those choices and make those choices |
Nikia |
Sep-16-06 11:05 AM |
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Try reading the last paragraph,for starters |
Warpy |
Sep-16-06 11:15 AM |
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I don't buy whatever you are selling |
hfojvt |
Sep-16-06 03:09 PM |
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as for your "another story" remember that will always fall on deaf ears |
RGBolen |
Sep-16-06 09:58 PM |
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$80,000 a year is not rich, especially in some parts of the country |
orangepeel68 |
Sep-16-06 02:23 PM |
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A family of 4 or 5 will pay over $1,000 a month for health insurance alone |
OzarkDem |
Sep-16-06 02:59 PM |
#85 |
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that is not true, at all |
hfojvt |
Sep-16-06 03:28 PM |
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I pay $500 a month for my portion of healthcare |
bleedingheart |
Sep-16-06 04:27 PM |
#103 |
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ouch. Showing that I have a very good employer |
hfojvt |
Sep-16-06 05:41 PM |
#112 |
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Right, that's realistic |
OzarkDem |
Sep-16-06 09:59 PM |
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Not everyone has employer paid health care costs |
OzarkDem |
Sep-16-06 09:58 PM |
#142 |
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not everyone doesn't |
hfojvt |
Sep-17-06 03:06 AM |
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I pay $600 a month |
Horse with no Name |
Sep-16-06 10:06 PM |
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I think I understand what you're trying to say here... |
Iowa |
Sep-16-06 08:52 PM |
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Huh? |
girl gone mad |
Sep-17-06 02:56 AM |
#186 |
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Nope, no internet bubble type investments... |
Iowa |
Sep-17-06 04:58 AM |
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I'm curious.. |
sendero |
Sep-16-06 10:51 AM |
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I didn't, if OP refers to me. |
skids |
Sep-16-06 03:11 PM |
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I find it offensive when somebody says $80000 is even middle class |
hfojvt |
Sep-16-06 03:37 PM |
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I think a family living on $80,000 |
Dorian Gray |
Sep-16-06 04:44 PM |
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And one sick child will wipe them out. |
aquart |
Sep-16-06 05:45 PM |
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well, I would like to see qunitles broken out for urban areas |
hfojvt |
Sep-16-06 06:03 PM |
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Of course... |
Dorian Gray |
Sep-17-06 12:34 AM |
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Then we'll have to agree... |
skids |
Sep-16-06 05:35 PM |
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CPI is not relevant here (not that I have those numbers) |
hfojvt |
Sep-16-06 06:32 PM |
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Class status does not follow the people. |
skids |
Sep-17-06 02:20 AM |
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according to that link from wiki |
hfojvt |
Sep-17-06 03:41 AM |
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does anyone actually say that? |
anarch |
Sep-16-06 10:51 AM |
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Anyone who thinks that should |
OwnedByFerrets |
Sep-16-06 10:55 AM |
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Yep a dim wit called Judy Barr Topinka |
Monkeyman |
Sep-16-06 10:55 AM |
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for me, this begs the question, what the hell was her point? |
anarch |
Sep-16-06 11:02 AM |
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BRAVO, Nikia,... |
Parisle |
Sep-16-06 10:53 AM |
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I am offended too |
CountAllVotes |
Sep-16-06 10:54 AM |
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There are many jobs and careers that don't command high salaries |
Nikia |
Sep-16-06 11:18 AM |
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Who said $80K per year is "poor"? |
ReverendDeuce |
Sep-16-06 10:55 AM |
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Very well said and so true |
HeeBGBz |
Sep-16-06 10:59 AM |
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i understand your frustration |
buddhamama |
Sep-16-06 11:00 AM |
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A few years ago, there was an article in the NYT Magazine |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-16-06 11:15 AM |
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well, i can't argue with you... |
buddhamama |
Sep-16-06 11:20 AM |
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No, it's not rich, but it's not poor, either |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-16-06 11:24 AM |
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i know what poor is |
buddhamama |
Sep-16-06 11:29 AM |
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Sorry, buddhamama, I wasn't trying to lecture you |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-16-06 12:02 PM |
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forgive me |
buddhamama |
Sep-16-06 12:05 PM |
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No problem! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-16-06 12:13 PM |
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why isn't it rich? |
hfojvt |
Sep-16-06 04:06 PM |
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read the post |
buddhamama |
Sep-16-06 05:07 PM |
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My father |
petersond |
Sep-16-06 04:32 PM |
#104 |
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Well said. I, myself, cannot say I have ever been,... |
Ferretherder |
Sep-16-06 11:05 AM |
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I am infuriated! |
acmejack |
Sep-16-06 11:05 AM |
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ditto!!! |
Swamp Rat |
Sep-16-06 03:09 PM |
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There are those who consider it rich who are wrong as well... |
Finder |
Sep-16-06 11:12 AM |
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bingo |
ComerPerro |
Sep-16-06 12:54 PM |
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Thank you |
never_get_over_it |
Sep-16-06 02:12 PM |
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Bless your heart |
lukasahero |
Sep-16-06 02:56 PM |
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True. But they need to stop voting Republican. |
thecatburgler |
Sep-16-06 07:41 PM |
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True enough |
never_get_over_it |
Sep-17-06 12:53 AM |
#172 |
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Bingo. |
blossomstar |
Sep-16-06 11:18 PM |
#158 |
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I come from the "working poor" |
deutsey |
Sep-16-06 11:14 AM |
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I know many, many people |
mongo |
Sep-16-06 11:15 AM |
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And I know many who consider that "poor" |
Patiod |
Sep-16-06 01:01 PM |
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Depends on where you live, and how many people |
Jed Dilligan |
Sep-16-06 11:24 AM |
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Anyone who calls 80K/year 'poor' is a moron. Period. |
Union Thug |
Sep-16-06 11:25 AM |
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In Alaska |
DenaliDemocrat |
Sep-16-06 11:25 AM |
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But the comment came from an Illinois candidate for governor |
Bucky |
Sep-16-06 12:34 PM |
#39 |
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Cost of living in Illinois could be quite high end. |
Tigress DEM |
Sep-16-06 01:54 PM |
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With the tax structure in this country a person GROSSING!! |
bigdarryl |
Sep-16-06 11:27 AM |
#29 |
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The trick is to actually work |
InkAddict |
Sep-16-06 11:33 AM |
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One dimension that must be considered is whether that is 2 incomes or 1 |
lostnfound |
Sep-16-06 11:34 AM |
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Me Too Nikia! |
mntleo2 |
Sep-16-06 11:47 AM |
#33 |
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As others have already asked: Who's saying $80K/year is poor? |
tuvor |
Sep-16-06 12:30 PM |
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The Damn Pope Said That!!!! |
genie_weenie |
Sep-16-06 12:31 PM |
#38 |
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The Pope said that? |
fortyfeetunder |
Sep-16-06 01:14 PM |
#48 |
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You guys aren't taking into account the Cost of Living in Rome. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-16-06 11:38 PM |
#162 |
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My wife and I combined |
shadowknows69 |
Sep-16-06 12:52 PM |
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Well written, and thank you!! All this moaning from those who |
bobbolink |
Sep-16-06 12:55 PM |
#42 |
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gads, even 40k/year isn't poor! |
ananda |
Sep-16-06 12:55 PM |
#43 |
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So who called a $80K income poor? |
MUSTANG_2004 |
Sep-16-06 12:59 PM |
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That was my question. |
donco6 |
Sep-16-06 01:55 PM |
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I agree. $80,000 a year is enough to make ends meet for a |
Cleita |
Sep-16-06 01:04 PM |
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Not True. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 01:57 PM |
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Wow, calling me a liar are you? |
Cleita |
Sep-16-06 02:08 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-16-06 02:14 PM |
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Yup, that's his M.O. |
bobbolink |
Sep-16-06 03:43 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-16-06 03:56 PM |
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What Are You Talking About? Please Elaborate. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 07:29 PM |
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I am poor now but I think that when compared to Billionaires they |
jwirr |
Sep-16-06 01:11 PM |
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"In Context" would be helpful. $80,000 can be called "working class poor |
Tigress DEM |
Sep-16-06 01:16 PM |
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Yeah, I've heard people here on DU complaining that 100K |
TheGoldenRule |
Sep-16-06 01:37 PM |
#50 |
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Excuse You, But We Bring In Over 100,000 And We're Still Struggling. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 01:51 PM |
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you don't need to take it so personally |
mark414 |
Sep-16-06 01:55 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-16-06 02:03 PM |
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My Reply Wasn't Limited To Being Personal. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 07:37 PM |
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I can see with your mortgage and child care where you would |
Cleita |
Sep-16-06 02:13 PM |
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Ok, You Don't Have To Answer My Post Above Then. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 02:19 PM |
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Keep your house even though it's a trial right now. |
Cleita |
Sep-16-06 02:25 PM |
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used to live in chicago |
datasuspect |
Sep-16-06 02:47 PM |
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Well Thankfully We Got The House Right Before The Boom. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 02:49 PM |
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30 miles or so from NYC? |
datasuspect |
Sep-16-06 02:51 PM |
#81 |
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You're Right. We Can't Go More East At All. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 02:55 PM |
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That's a $1200 mortgage - not $1800 |
sandnsea |
Sep-16-06 03:10 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-16-06 03:20 PM |
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Of course |
sandnsea |
Sep-16-06 03:57 PM |
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A $183,00 = annual local tax of $4812/year |
rainbow4321 |
Sep-16-06 04:44 PM |
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And taxes in Hopatcong |
sandnsea |
Sep-16-06 05:09 PM |
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You Have No Idea What You're Talking About When It Comes To MY Mortgage. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 07:23 PM |
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Don't Tell Me What My Own Mortgage Is Nor Assume You Have Any Idea |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 07:34 PM |
#124 |
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OMC! Dude, Cool off before you pop an artery! |
Wiley50 |
Sep-16-06 07:49 PM |
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You're Right Bro. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 08:15 PM |
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Here Ya Go. Now You Can Give Me An Apology. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 08:42 PM |
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That's just crazy! |
calmblueocean |
Sep-17-06 02:13 AM |
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My Wife And I Ask That All The Time. How The Hell Do They Do It? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-17-06 02:36 AM |
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I didn't see this post with figures before I posted on the other...n/t |
Finder |
Sep-16-06 04:23 PM |
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Oh Ok, Fair Enough. :o) |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 07:25 PM |
#121 |
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So who said this? |
Warren Stupidity |
Sep-16-06 01:55 PM |
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Less than $3,000,000 + house is NOT upper middle class. $80K is upper is |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-17-06 12:07 AM |
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It depends |
Herman Munster |
Sep-16-06 01:59 PM |
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A family with $80K is gloriously comfortable. |
SmokingJacket |
Sep-16-06 01:59 PM |
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Name removed |
Sep-16-06 02:07 PM |
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You are dead on. As I said in my previous post, there is NO WAY... |
Union Thug |
Sep-16-06 02:21 PM |
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Who the hell thinks $80k a year is poor?? |
CarlVK |
Sep-16-06 02:00 PM |
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where do you live? |
Herman Munster |
Sep-16-06 02:12 PM |
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Ah, so you're saying "lower mid class" in some areas. That's different |
CarlVK |
Sep-16-06 02:46 PM |
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Even the Average American Earning Half That |
Jcrowley |
Sep-16-06 02:15 PM |
#66 |
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The middle class... |
skids |
Sep-16-06 05:50 PM |
#114 |
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It's a very bad idea |
Jcrowley |
Sep-16-06 09:18 PM |
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Let me get this straight. |
skids |
Sep-17-06 02:27 AM |
#183 |
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Do you think $40,000 a year is "lower class with delusions of lucor"? |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-17-06 12:40 AM |
#170 |
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No, that's not what I said. |
skids |
Sep-17-06 02:12 AM |
#180 |
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I'm with You (nt) |
stepnw1f |
Sep-16-06 02:23 PM |
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Add my name to the list of people asking who said $80k/year was poor. |
Marr |
Sep-16-06 02:24 PM |
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Judy Barr Topinka n/t |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-17-06 12:47 AM |
#171 |
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stop ignoring the post by asking "who says that?!?!" and start talking |
mark414 |
Sep-16-06 02:27 PM |
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Because if it's not happening, it's sort of dumb to get outraged |
Marr |
Sep-16-06 02:34 PM |
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I am offended when someone says squids teach algebra. |
Marr |
Sep-16-06 02:33 PM |
#74 |
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Salary calculator (compares cities/states) |
rainbow4321 |
Sep-16-06 02:39 PM |
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excellent resource---thanks eom |
deek |
Sep-16-06 02:57 PM |
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In some circles, you are poor at 80,000, but "poor" is relative |
Selatius |
Sep-16-06 02:48 PM |
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I don't see how anyone can make it on $80k |
AngryAmish |
Sep-16-06 03:45 PM |
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mine is 12,000 per month |
datasuspect |
Sep-16-06 03:47 PM |
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they do! |
AngryAmish |
Sep-16-06 03:50 PM |
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This is why we Democrats have problems...the peasants fight amongst |
bleedingheart |
Sep-16-06 04:34 PM |
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Okay. |
LWolf |
Sep-16-06 04:37 PM |
#106 |
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Apparently not. But suggesting so makes for great flame wars. |
tuvor |
Sep-16-06 06:01 PM |
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Judy Barr Topinka, and many other political figures |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-17-06 12:57 AM |
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Yes. But I'm also offended when $80,000 per year for a couple means debt- |
1932 |
Sep-16-06 06:48 PM |
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Hear! Hear! |
Prag |
Sep-16-06 07:36 PM |
#125 |
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Exactly right. |
1932 |
Sep-16-06 11:24 PM |
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What infuriates me is when these people that make 80K vote Republican |
AllieB |
Sep-16-06 07:43 PM |
#130 |
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That's the democrats' fault for not making the obvious arguments to |
1932 |
Sep-16-06 10:49 PM |
#156 |
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No opportunities for what? |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-17-06 01:04 AM |
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Please provide a reference, otherwise this is just a straw man |
BlueEyedSon |
Sep-16-06 07:29 PM |
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Thanks for sounding the Strawman Klaxon BlueEyedSon. |
Prag |
Sep-16-06 07:38 PM |
#128 |
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Hardly a klaxon, just a question |
BlueEyedSon |
Sep-16-06 07:47 PM |
#131 |
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Judy Barr Topinka |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-17-06 01:09 AM |
#177 |
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Thank you |
thecatburgler |
Sep-16-06 07:37 PM |
#127 |
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The phrase 'poor graduate student' sends me off the deep end |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-16-06 09:05 PM |
#137 |
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Yeah, no kidding... |
COSPRINGS |
Sep-16-06 09:54 PM |
#141 |
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Uh, what field would that be in? |
alittlelark |
Sep-16-06 10:04 PM |
#147 |
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Engineering... |
trekbiker |
Sep-17-06 02:38 AM |
#185 |
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Not to mention that the truly poor will never be able to get a |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-17-06 01:15 AM |
#178 |
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I make 80k and I'm not poor but I'm not living large either |
nini |
Sep-16-06 08:31 PM |
#134 |
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Nikia, I am with you |
Jim Warren |
Sep-16-06 09:46 PM |
#139 |
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This is the STUPIDEST 'some people say' thread I've seen in a long time |
Husb2Sparkly |
Sep-16-06 09:46 PM |
#140 |
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"Some People Say" Shades of Faux News |
Wiley50 |
Sep-16-06 10:11 PM |
#150 |
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huh? |
Husb2Sparkly |
Sep-16-06 10:20 PM |
#151 |
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It really doesn't matter who said it ( or really if it was ever said ) |
Wiley50 |
Sep-16-06 11:47 PM |
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Answer: Numerous political activists have said this, especially in DC |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-17-06 12:25 AM |
#167 |
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Amen, Nikia!!! Anyone who makes $80k a year is |
ikojo |
Sep-16-06 10:06 PM |
#148 |
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I don't recall anyone saying $80000 a year is poor |
doc03 |
Sep-16-06 10:35 PM |
#152 |
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Who said that? |
lectrobyte |
Sep-16-06 10:41 PM |
#154 |
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Who told you that $80K a year was poor? |
bleedingheart |
Sep-16-06 10:48 PM |
#155 |
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80K aint that much in New York.... |
Singular73 |
Sep-16-06 10:53 PM |
#157 |
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Well Said. n/t |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-16-06 11:25 PM |
#160 |
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Or Los Angeles |
Nikki Stone 1 |
Sep-17-06 12:57 AM |
#175 |
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I live in the Keys. My husband and I combined make close to 80. |
tinfoilinfor2005 |
Sep-16-06 11:35 PM |
#161 |
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I actually know someone who |
greccogirl |
Sep-17-06 12:30 AM |
#168 |
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For two years |
hyphenate |
Sep-17-06 12:55 AM |
#173 |
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$80,000/yr is poor compared to $150,000/hr |
rman |
Sep-17-06 12:56 AM |
#174 |
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True, however-- |
eridani |
Sep-17-06 01:57 AM |
#179 |
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Considering that the MEDIAN household income is only $43k or so, |
entanglement |
Sep-17-06 03:22 AM |
#188 |
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We are ALL working class bros & sis.... |
GreenTea |
Sep-17-06 03:38 AM |
#189 |
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Locking |
petersond |
Sep-17-06 06:53 AM |
#192 |