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peteatomic Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 07:31 PM
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67. Yes, thank you, and I agree. However, I think it is important to add
that in this matter, there is some very insightful points. For example, we can easily hold Catholic beliefs in question, and this is good-- because 1800 years of religio-philosophical debate is the sum of the Catholic experience today.

However, and the difference develops, is that the Catholic experience has questions, and Islamic tradition does not seem to have this ability. So, when Pope Benedict uses an ancient example of a belief about Islam in a history lesson-- the reaction is not ignored or even a passive one, it results in the fire bombing of two churches in Palestine (!)

If someone in the Islamic world would have made the same example regarding Christianity, would it be so violently opposed?

No, absolutely not, and because we generally welcome debate and rational argumentation around ideas.

This is yet another inheritance from the Catholic tradition.
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  -Pope Said to Be Upset Muslims Offended... bridgit  Sep-16-06 09:52 AM   #0 
  - some apology.  xchrom   Sep-16-06 09:55 AM   #1 
  - Are we sure he didn't grow up in Crawford? nt  zanne   Sep-16-06 09:59 AM   #2 
  - or in a mansion on the north atlantic seaboard --  xchrom   Sep-16-06 10:01 AM   #5 
     - Or in Connecticut? nt  zanne   Sep-16-06 10:07 AM   #12 
        - ya know -- for the life of me -- i couldn't remember which state.  xchrom   Sep-16-06 11:15 AM   #21 
  - we all know that catholicism was responsible for some of thee most...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 10:14 AM   #15 
  - i think we should hold consumerism and corporatism to the same  xchrom   Sep-16-06 11:18 AM   #22 
  - oh...completely agreed, corporatism is let way off the hook far too...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 11:30 AM   #26 
  - Peace and light  libhill   Sep-16-06 07:04 PM   #57 
  - Yes, thank you, and I agree. However, I think it is important to add  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 07:31 PM   #67 
     - thank you for your post, peteatomic...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 07:37 PM   #70 
        - Thank you. We live in a country ignorant about Catholic history/tradition.  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 08:21 PM   #75 
  - I'm waiting for a public apology from the mufti  igil   Sep-16-06 02:00 PM   #38 
  - there are a lot of ignorant son of a bitches strewn about all over.  xchrom   Sep-16-06 03:07 PM   #41 
     - That's not necessarily true.  igil   Sep-16-06 06:42 PM   #49 
        - imagine first nations people without manifest destiny  xchrom   Sep-16-06 07:05 PM   #59 
        - Your history is a bit off.  Euphen   Sep-16-06 09:40 PM   #85 
  - When was the last time you heard any public figure say  ContraBass Black   Sep-16-06 07:04 PM   #58 
     - lol -- indeed.  xchrom   Sep-16-06 09:49 PM   #86 
  - oooooo one religion is "offended" by another!  Kali   Sep-16-06 09:59 AM   #3 
  - correct, neither is blameless...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 10:15 AM   #16 
  - There you have it. Let's fight over whose invisible god is the best!!  MADem   Sep-16-06 11:19 AM   #23 
  - Pope Macaca will probably hold a Religionfest Rally. n/t  valerief   Sep-16-06 10:00 AM   #4 
  - He can't apologize. He's infallible, don't ya know.  acmavm   Sep-16-06 10:02 AM   #6 
  - You should have paid more attention in Sunday school  cgrindley   Sep-16-06 10:04 AM   #7 
  - When you're an eight year-old Catholic school kid...  zanne   Sep-16-06 10:06 AM   #10 
  - No it doesn't  cgrindley   Sep-16-06 03:38 PM   #43 
     - Well, that sure wasn't my catechism...  zanne   Sep-16-06 05:23 PM   #46 
  - Who's to say I didn't pay attention? You? Who are you and where do  acmavm   Sep-16-06 01:19 PM   #36 
  - I am. Yes. I am me and I  cgrindley   Sep-16-06 03:35 PM   #42 
  - Best advice I'm going to give you is to get quit seeing movies like  acmavm   Sep-16-06 04:46 PM   #45 
  - Infallibility is not the absence of sin.  Breeze54   Sep-16-06 08:01 PM   #71 
  - While that's true . . .  donco6   Sep-16-06 07:08 PM   #60 
     - Agreed  cgrindley   Sep-16-06 08:09 PM   #73 
        - Cool!  donco6   Sep-16-06 08:35 PM   #77 
  - Exactly!  zanne   Sep-16-06 10:05 AM   #9 
  - In the church, infallibility..  ananda   Sep-16-06 10:07 AM   #11 
  - Really? That's not the way I heard it. He is God's representative on  acmavm   Sep-16-06 01:09 PM   #35 
     - But that's just not true, not now and not ever  cgrindley   Sep-16-06 06:39 PM   #48 
     - ..and it is not only from the Pope as an individual, but as a sum  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 06:51 PM   #51 
     - Yeah and  Breeze54   Sep-16-06 08:12 PM   #74 
  - Religion  rrasile   Sep-16-06 10:13 AM   #14 
  - It's still "my way or the highway"  Warpy   Sep-16-06 10:04 AM   #8 
  - Same old hot air from the same old source  Joe Bacon   Sep-16-06 10:10 AM   #13 
  - i miss John Paul, he was nice...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 10:19 AM   #17 
  - The contempt for the Pope is shocking  AngryAmish   Sep-16-06 10:26 AM   #18 
  - some of us hate maledict for his stance on hiding the pedophiles in the  niyad   Sep-16-06 10:41 AM   #19 
  - i think that's right, i think there are clearly tenets within each...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 10:42 AM   #20 
  - I think the actions of those angry at him have been glossed over  MADem   Sep-16-06 11:25 AM   #24 
  - Far as I'm concerned, the pope threw those bombs.  Jed Dilligan   Sep-16-06 11:49 AM   #28 
     - "The Pope, quoting a 15th-century Byzantine emperor, told his audience...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 11:54 AM   #29 
     - "Evil and inhuman"  Jed Dilligan   Sep-16-06 12:03 PM   #32 
     - What the hell did he bring up that quote for if not to incite anger and  BrklynLiberal   Sep-16-06 07:03 PM   #56 
        - dunno, perhaps he was trying to suggest a return to spiritual pursuits...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 07:15 PM   #62 
     - The shoeless illiterates  AngryAmish   Sep-16-06 11:58 AM   #30 
     - The pope is worse.  Jed Dilligan   Sep-16-06 12:07 PM   #33 
     - He is the head cheerleader of his religion  MADem   Sep-16-06 12:02 PM   #31 
     - Amen.  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 06:48 PM   #50 
        - The Pope was not equating what Manuel II Paleologus said with  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 06:54 PM   #52 
           - Well, by that logic I can get away with an awful lot.  Jed Dilligan   Sep-16-06 09:18 PM   #81 
  - CORRECT  Proud2BAmurkin   Sep-16-06 11:28 AM   #25 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-16-06 11:34 AM   #27 
  - They are all nutbags, including him and I "condemn" them all.  Kali   Sep-16-06 12:50 PM   #34 
  - Oh, hiding behind quotation marks? Nice try.  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 02:04 PM   #40 
  - Yes, exactly. Especially when he was holding a history lesson.  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 06:57 PM   #53 
  - Put a condom in it, Benny. He's as medieval as his words.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-16-06 01:21 PM   #37 
  - "stopping short of an apology"??  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 02:03 PM   #39 
  - This is an overreaction. But ask why did that overreaction happen?  Strawman   Sep-16-06 04:11 PM   #44 
  - They upset the Pope by being outraged! I demand they apologize to the Pope  JVS   Sep-16-06 05:33 PM   #47 
  - "violence is contrary to the nature of God."  Disturbed   Sep-16-06 07:01 PM   #55 
  - The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Conquest of the *Aztecs & the Incas,  BrklynLiberal   Sep-16-06 06:58 PM   #54 
     - The Pope didn't anticipate a negative reaction to this?  Disturbed   Sep-16-06 07:11 PM   #61 
     - You forgot universities, the rule of law, charity, universal public  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 07:15 PM   #63 
     - welcome to du, peteatomic...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 07:20 PM   #65 
     - Thanks--  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 08:34 PM   #76 
     - Universal Public Education? Is that FREE, Non-Secular Education  BrklynLiberal   Sep-16-06 07:36 PM   #69 
        - The rise of liberal education: the teaching of Socrates, Aristotle, Plato.  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 08:09 PM   #72 
           - by several sources....the library at Alexandria was not saved by the  BrklynLiberal   Sep-16-06 08:40 PM   #78 
           - I agree. There have been destruction of knowledge that should have  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 09:35 PM   #82 
           - It was not the Church, but perhaps a couple of men who saved Ancient Greek  BrklynLiberal   Sep-16-06 09:01 PM   #79 
           - Good article.  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 09:37 PM   #83 
           - The paternalistic, condescending attitude that the church has had  BrklynLiberal   Sep-16-06 09:13 PM   #80 
              - The Church is the only organized system attempting to help the poor in  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 09:40 PM   #84 
     - see post #15...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 07:18 PM   #64 
     - Not the Mayans, the Aztecs. The conquistadors never met the Mayans  Bucky   Sep-16-06 07:22 PM   #66 
        - oops. Sorry 'bout that. I was close, but no cigar. Thanks for the  BrklynLiberal   Sep-16-06 07:31 PM   #68 
           - Do you know how brutal these Aztec & Mayan Empires were?  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 09:53 PM   #87 
              - I see, so since Saddam Hussein was a cruel despot, that justified  BrklynLiberal   Sep-17-06 12:16 PM   #88 

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