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122. Why does someone in Popie's position have to stir up a turd by
quoting what knows is inflamatory. He's sure into peace isn't he?
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  -Do you think Pope Benedict XVI's recent remarks warrant an apology? im10ashus  Sep-16-06 09:11 AM   #0 
  - No.  Poppyseedman   Sep-16-06 09:17 AM   #1 
  - Good points.  im10ashus   Sep-16-06 09:22 AM   #5 
  - Pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?  hlthe2b   Sep-16-06 09:25 AM   #10 
  - ok, fine  Bill McBlueState   Sep-16-06 09:33 AM   #15 
  - Hopefully the Christian's can do the same.  im10ashus   Sep-16-06 09:37 AM   #17 
     - The Church has repeated apologized  AngryAmish   Sep-16-06 05:58 PM   #46 
  - Both should count  bryant69   Sep-16-06 09:50 AM   #21 
  - It does make one wonder why the Pope would say something  midnight   Sep-17-06 06:59 AM   #98 
  - Not with some.  Jed Dilligan   Sep-17-06 11:10 AM   #113 
     - That's deliberately misrepresenting what he said  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-18-06 06:04 AM   #153 
  - That Is Ridiculous!  stepnw1f   Sep-16-06 02:07 PM   #27 
  - agreed, ever heard of the CRUSADES..?and ummmm while  Bluerthanblue   Sep-16-06 05:50 PM   #44 
  - ...as opposed to the point of a musket, cannon, machine-gun...  Jed Dilligan   Sep-17-06 11:13 AM   #114 
  - decidedly not, it is time for islam to grow up...  bridgit   Sep-16-06 09:19 AM   #2 
  - sanctimonious superiority is no excuse for glittering generalities  xchrom   Sep-16-06 09:19 AM   #3 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-16-06 09:20 AM   #4 
  - no way  mark414   Sep-16-06 09:22 AM   #6 
  - You're 50% right---the Islam part. But Christ advocates peace,  WinkyDink   Sep-16-06 09:25 AM   #12 
  - nahh they just prefer the old testament  mark414   Sep-16-06 09:27 AM   #14 
  - beg to differ-  Bluerthanblue   Sep-16-06 06:12 PM   #50 
  - this is a good point  imfreaky   Sep-16-06 09:48 AM   #19 
  - Agree on the need for apologies all round  LeftishBrit   Sep-16-06 03:28 PM   #36 
  - that's so true, just about all reigions which are followed like that  JI7   Sep-16-06 06:09 PM   #48 
  - Yes, WHEN I HEAR ANY MUSLIM APOLOGIZE for ANY thing.  WinkyDink   Sep-16-06 09:22 AM   #7 
  - if so, you have lost everything that  Bluerthanblue   Sep-16-06 05:56 PM   #45 
  - You changed the subject.  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 09:00 PM   #142 
  - .  Hav   Sep-16-06 09:23 AM   #8 
  - Other - not sure.  CJCRANE   Sep-16-06 09:23 AM   #9 
  - The pope or an ecumenical council is infallible regarding doctrinal  RGBolen   Sep-16-06 10:21 PM   #60 
  - Crusades by all names are bad  ovidsen   Sep-16-06 09:25 AM   #11 
  - Good points, I'll agree.  im10ashus   Sep-16-06 09:34 AM   #16 
  - He can't apologize.  zanne   Sep-16-06 09:25 AM   #13 
  - Not quite.  Show_Me _The_Truth   Sep-16-06 05:49 PM   #43 
  - That is incorrect information.  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 12:44 AM   #76 
  - He's just as stupid as everyone else in the Jesus business.  Joe Bacon   Sep-16-06 09:46 AM   #18 
  - I'm not gonna waste my time arguing your point  imfreaky   Sep-16-06 09:49 AM   #20 
  - "Crackers?"  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 12:46 AM   #77 
  - Whaat?  LostinVA   Sep-17-06 08:23 PM   #128 
  - Yes  terrya   Sep-16-06 09:52 AM   #22 
  - If your religion contains any advice on physically waging a holy war  cgrindley   Sep-16-06 09:53 AM   #23 
  - Where in the Koran does it say anything about a holy war?  Lindacooks   Sep-17-06 07:59 PM   #127 
     - Jihad is for self defense only - and has limits (LINK)  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 09:06 PM   #144 
  - Benny "sincerely regrets" that Muslims were offended.  Eugene   Sep-16-06 10:22 AM   #24 
  - Well, it's as close as he'll get to an actual apology.  im10ashus   Sep-16-06 10:44 AM   #25 
  - Ah, the famous "non apology apology"  terrya   Sep-16-06 05:42 PM   #42 
  - No. The Pope's comments were quotations of long-standing  Old Crusoe   Sep-16-06 01:58 PM   #26 
  - Great post and I completely agree with your point that  Hoping4Change   Sep-16-06 03:25 PM   #34 
  - So it's OK to be critical of another religion, as long as it repeats  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-16-06 06:10 PM   #49 
  - Its ok to support an academic treatise with quotes  Henny Penny   Sep-16-06 06:47 PM   #54 
  - But Muhammad was not "the background" of his talk  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-16-06 08:17 PM   #56 
     - He was merely doing what many academics do  Henny Penny   Sep-17-06 07:47 AM   #99 
  - Not the claim being made. A scholar may examine Aristotle's obvious  Old Crusoe   Sep-16-06 10:04 PM   #59 
     - But Benedict did not make any observation about Manuel II  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-17-06 04:12 AM   #94 
        - Atrocities by both Christianity and Islam's radical elements make a  Old Crusoe   Sep-17-06 09:40 AM   #104 
  - Oh, I see. As long as you quote someone, whatever you say is fine!  NoodleyAppendage   Sep-16-06 11:06 PM   #66 
  - Senator Allen's evident bigotry eclipses the need to quote David Duke.  Old Crusoe   Sep-16-06 11:16 PM   #68 
  - Have you read the piece?  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 12:53 AM   #79 
     - Good idea to post the entire speech to allow folks to get  Old Crusoe   Sep-17-06 01:02 AM   # 
     - He's definitely a scholar.  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 01:21 AM   #84 
        - Yes. Benedict is the career-track monk, the inward thinker & intellect.  Old Crusoe   Sep-17-06 01:31 AM   #85 
           - Old Crusoe  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 01:34 AM   #86 
           - Good night, Dorian Gray.  Old Crusoe   Sep-17-06 01:35 AM   #87 
           - I don't think he thought THIS one through.  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 09:00 PM   #140 
              - The entire address speaks well for itself. Have you read it?  Old Crusoe   Sep-17-06 10:04 PM   #150 
     - Thanks for posting that (n/t)  Posteritatis   Sep-17-06 09:49 AM   #105 
  - I agree  MATTMAN   Sep-17-06 10:24 AM   #107 
  - Absolutely.... it Does Good  stepnw1f   Sep-16-06 02:10 PM   #28 
  - WOW. Look at all the bigots who voted no!  Zhade   Sep-16-06 02:41 PM   #29 
  - I'm just about to vote no...  Henny Penny   Sep-16-06 02:55 PM   #30 
  - I voted no.  Taxloss   Sep-16-06 03:36 PM   #39 
  - Well, explain it to me, then?  Zhade   Sep-16-06 09:29 PM   #57 
     - The question wasn't whether his remarks were bigoted, it was  Taxloss   Sep-17-06 10:28 AM   #108 
        - The following quote:  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 02:35 PM   #119 
        - True, I don't know exactly what he believes. n/t  Taxloss   Sep-17-06 02:39 PM   #120 
           - Sorry I focused on that.  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 02:46 PM   #123 
        - Worthy points.  Zhade   Sep-17-06 08:56 PM   #138 
  - if being critical of religion is bigotry  JI7   Sep-16-06 06:27 PM   #52 
  - Oh, it's not that - I'm an atheist, after all.  Zhade   Sep-16-06 09:30 PM   #58 
  - How is voting "no" for issuing an apology a sign of religious bigotry?  Behind the Aegis   Sep-16-06 10:27 PM   #61 
  - In this case, I'm awaiting some clarification.  Zhade   Sep-16-06 11:11 PM   #67 
     - Did you ever get that clarification?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-17-06 04:49 AM   #97 
        - And Imam-groupies who see Muslims as perpetual victims  Dutch   Sep-17-06 09:27 AM   #101 
           - Yr very mistaken. Apparently you didn't read my post very carefully....  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-06 03:38 AM   #151 
  - Oh, please....  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 12:58 AM   #80 
  - I wouldn't call it religious bigotry.  im10ashus   Sep-17-06 08:59 AM   #100 
  - I'd call it "having read the speech," myself. (n/t)  Posteritatis   Sep-17-06 10:33 AM   #109 
  - Nice bit of McCarthyism. n/t  Dutch   Sep-17-06 09:27 AM   #102 
  - This whole thing is just sad  Marrah_G   Sep-16-06 03:05 PM   #31 
  - Of Course. Especially Since He Claims He Didn't Intend It To Come Off  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-16-06 03:18 PM   #32 
  - He should apologize for pedophile priests...  Beelzebud   Sep-16-06 03:23 PM   #33 
  - Thank you!  Swamp Rat   Sep-16-06 03:28 PM   #35 
  - No. n/t  Taxloss   Sep-16-06 03:30 PM   #37 
  - No.  JVS   Sep-16-06 03:34 PM   #38 
  - I voted Yes; I'm surprised there's any debate.  Jack Rabbit   Sep-16-06 03:56 PM   #40 
  - The person who did the "defaming" is a long dead  Henny Penny   Sep-16-06 05:39 PM   #41 
     - Really. The words came out of the dead Emporer's mouth?  leesa   Sep-16-06 06:28 PM   #53 
     - Well the coverage of it was certainly meant to wound...  Henny Penny   Sep-16-06 06:55 PM   #55 
     - One more time, just for shits and giggles...  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 01:02 AM   #81 
     - So if a modern neonazi quotes Hilter in defaming Jews....  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 08:41 PM   #133 
  - Pope has done a lot of things which are bad because that's what he  JI7   Sep-16-06 06:03 PM   #47 
  - If he wants to promote understanding, then yes  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-16-06 06:15 PM   #51 
  - The most socially conscious Catholic publication I know of, THE  Old Crusoe   Sep-16-06 10:45 PM   #62 
  - Why don't the Muslims ever apologize?!?!?!  boolean   Sep-16-06 10:51 PM   #63 
  - people who do things  Bluerthanblue   Sep-17-06 12:42 AM   #75 
  - I prefer my double-standards to be nonexistent, myself. (n/t)  Posteritatis   Sep-17-06 10:20 AM   #106 
  - You're changing the subject.  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 08:41 PM   #134 
  - No.  Spider Jerusalem   Sep-16-06 10:54 PM   #64 
  - Spider Jerusalem, just wanted to say hi. Chances for me to do that are  Old Crusoe   Sep-16-06 11:20 PM   #69 
     - Hello to you, too.  Spider Jerusalem   Sep-17-06 07:33 PM   #126 
  - Wouldn't it be the Christian thing to do? Pride goeth before the fall...  NoodleyAppendage   Sep-16-06 11:02 PM   #65 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-17-06 01:57 AM   #91 
  - Do you understand what the Pope was talking about?  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 11:40 PM   #70 
  - His comments are reprehensible.  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 11:46 PM   #71 
  - Why?  peteatomic   Sep-16-06 11:57 PM   #74 
  - Really?  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 01:08 AM   #82 
  - Which passages did you find so objectionable?  Old Crusoe   Sep-17-06 01:12 AM   #83 
  - Which comments? Why are they reprehensible?  Common Sense Party   Sep-17-06 01:42 AM   #89 
     - Because a world voice for peace shouldn't be agitating for violence  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 08:44 PM   #135 
  - What can you do?  6000eliot   Sep-16-06 11:48 PM   #72 
  - And  alphadog   Sep-17-06 01:59 AM   #92 
  - So was every other German minor during the war. Your point? (n/t)  Posteritatis   Sep-17-06 11:43 AM   #115 
  - He should apologize for his church's stance on Birth Control.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-16-06 11:53 PM   #73 
  - I think the "apology" he gave was kinda like  mykpart   Sep-17-06 12:49 AM   #78 
  - Hell, no. Perhaps someone who voted "yes" can tell me  Common Sense Party   Sep-17-06 01:41 AM   #88 
  - The "evil and inhuman" quote was offensive  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-17-06 04:33 AM   #95 
     - But those weren't his words...  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 02:42 PM   #121 
        - He chose to include them  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-17-06 04:44 PM   #125 
           - I can't fully explain anything on his behalf,  Dorian Gray   Sep-17-06 09:30 PM   #146 
              - So you appear to agree the quote had no place in the speech  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-18-06 04:44 AM   #152 
                 - Well, I did say in another post  Dorian Gray   Sep-18-06 08:28 AM   #155 
  - Absolutely not  alphadog   Sep-17-06 01:44 AM   #90 
  - Given the firebombing of churches and murder of a nun that Muslim  Dutch   Sep-17-06 09:31 AM   #103 
     - That's exactly what I was thinking  nini   Sep-17-06 10:45 AM   #110 
     - So I guess you'd be for the Mullahs bringing up the Inquisition  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 08:45 PM   #136 
  - Yes, apology is most appropriate  DFLforever   Sep-17-06 02:05 AM   #93 
  - What would be most appropiate is if.....  and-justice-for-all   Sep-17-06 11:05 AM   #112 
  - I voted Yes...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-17-06 04:47 AM   #96 
  - Interesting  johnnie   Sep-17-06 11:02 AM   #111 
  - Personally, I am anti-religion in general, but I have definitely  smirkymonkey   Sep-17-06 09:19 PM   #145 
  - Yes.  Marie26   Sep-17-06 11:43 AM   #116 
  - I can't believe some people here are actually defending this former Nazi!  TankLV   Sep-17-06 11:44 AM   #117 
  - There are many stealth bigots hiding in our aisles.  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 08:58 PM   #139 
  - he ought to clarify and educate  npincus   Sep-17-06 11:47 AM   #118 
  - Exactly how I feel -- I wish it was a choice in the poll  LostinVA   Sep-17-06 08:28 PM   #129 
  - Why does someone in Popie's position have to stir up a turd by  lonestarnot   Sep-17-06 02:43 PM   #122 
  - The Pope has long been held as a voice for harmony.  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 08:47 PM   #137 
  - Pope announces global itinerary of apology  fedsron2us   Sep-17-06 03:27 PM   #124 
  - Other: it's no use, the damage is already done. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-17-06 08:32 PM   #130 
  - Funny, that's one excuse being used to keep troops in Iraq.  CarlVK   Sep-17-06 08:39 PM   #132 
  - No  Raine   Sep-17-06 08:37 PM   #131 
  - How about he comes on right after Bush's apology.... IOW... I don't  MrsGrumpy   Sep-17-06 09:00 PM   #141 
  - It's one oppressive monotheistic religion vs another  Tyo   Sep-17-06 09:01 PM   #143 
  - Best post on this subject yet.  smirkymonkey   Sep-17-06 09:31 PM   #147 
     - We can hope, can't we?  Tyo   Sep-17-06 09:54 PM   #148 
  - No  NNN0LHI   Sep-17-06 10:02 PM   #149 
  - No.  noonwitch   Sep-18-06 08:03 AM   #154 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-18-06 03:14 PM   #156 
  - Efcharisto  Swamp Rat   Sep-18-06 03:20 PM   #157 
     - Howdy, Swamp Rat. A good afternoon to you.  Old Crusoe   Sep-18-06 03:28 PM   #158 
  - No, his remarks were proven to be valid  ButterflyBlood   Sep-19-06 11:12 PM   #159 
  - Your logic is wrong  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-20-06 06:29 AM   #161 
  - No, but perhaps the thousands killed in Mohammed's conquest does  ButterflyBlood   Sep-20-06 12:05 PM   #164 
     - People get killed in war  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-20-06 12:15 PM   #165 
        - What wars did Jesus or Buddha start?  ButterflyBlood   Sep-20-06 12:16 PM   #166 
  - His remarks were insensitive and have provoked more hatred.  im10ashus   Sep-20-06 08:16 AM   #163 
  - Pope Benedict XVI's comments warrant an explanation  StopThePendulum   Sep-19-06 11:37 PM   #160 
  - Other - he cannot help he is a disconnected idiot  mtnester   Sep-20-06 06:37 AM   #162 
 

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