| -Issues with Gender Equality, Raised by the Debra LaFave Case |
Sparkly |
Sep-15-06 11:33 PM |
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how much of the shame girls feel has to do with society ? |
JI7 |
Sep-15-06 11:44 PM |
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You hit on the very things I'm writing about. |
Sparkly |
Sep-15-06 11:51 PM |
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I think the fact she was a teacher - a person in an authority role - puts |
Husb2Sparkly |
Sep-15-06 11:51 PM |
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Oh, the Clown weighs in.... |
Sparkly |
Sep-16-06 12:13 AM |
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Teachers are held to a higher standard because they are trained |
Lindacooks |
Sep-16-06 02:31 AM |
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Honestly, what adult is not in an authority role with a child? n/t |
FedUpWithIt All |
Sep-16-06 12:16 AM |
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Teachers have more power and influence with students |
oldcoot |
Sep-17-06 12:27 AM |
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When I was 16 |
pointblank |
Sep-16-06 12:44 AM |
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Thanks! |
Sparkly |
Sep-16-06 12:55 AM |
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Thanks for your response |
pointblank |
Sep-16-06 01:49 AM |
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The strange thing is that one hundred years or so ago in many places |
treestar |
Sep-16-06 04:11 PM |
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I Don't Think They're Equal Whatsoever. And I Hear Ya. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-15-06 11:45 PM |
#2 |
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Thank yew. |
Sparkly |
Sep-15-06 11:59 PM |
#5 |
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The underlying logic of dissimilar treatment based on gender... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-16-06 07:20 PM |
#34 |
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No flame here but a different perspective.... |
FedUpWithIt All |
Sep-16-06 12:13 AM |
#6 |
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I think you hit on another very valid aspect of this .... attractiveness |
Husb2Sparkly |
Sep-16-06 12:48 AM |
#13 |
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I was writing back to you when our power went out.... |
Sparkly |
Sep-16-06 01:20 AM |
#17 |
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The sentence should be based on the damage that was caused |
OregonDem |
Sep-16-06 12:16 AM |
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more inequality... |
Scoot420fla |
Sep-16-06 12:32 AM |
#10 |
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Good questions! |
Sparkly |
Sep-16-06 12:48 AM |
#14 |
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there are other possibilities |
hfojvt |
Sep-16-06 01:41 AM |
#18 |
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I am sure the older woman/young girl scenario occurs |
mongo |
Sep-16-06 09:45 PM |
#37 |
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Come over to my neighborhood |
Boomer |
Sep-17-06 09:33 AM |
#47 |
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Does that mean the "retarded" person should go without? |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 11:05 PM |
#125 |
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Not my place to say what they should do |
Boomer |
Sep-18-06 06:11 AM |
#141 |
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No leap. |
madmusic |
Sep-18-06 10:08 AM |
#148 |
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Disturbing issue, isn't it? |
Boomer |
Sep-18-06 07:12 PM |
#175 |
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Yeah, it's a tough one. |
madmusic |
Sep-19-06 12:07 AM |
#179 |
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No, just that their is an inherent inequity of power |
mongo |
Sep-18-06 10:52 AM |
#152 |
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But this "retarded" person is an adult. |
madmusic |
Sep-18-06 11:29 AM |
#153 |
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Wow. |
mongo |
Sep-18-06 11:57 AM |
#156 |
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. |
madmusic |
Sep-18-06 04:09 PM |
#169 |
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A family lives across from my grandmother |
Nikia |
Sep-17-06 04:26 PM |
#58 |
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Adult women can sexually abuse |
melnjones |
Sep-20-06 12:42 AM |
#180 |
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Great post. |
readmoreoften |
Sep-16-06 12:36 AM |
#11 |
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Right. |
Sparkly |
Sep-16-06 12:57 AM |
#16 |
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Great point about the beatles.... |
pepperbear |
Sep-16-06 02:01 AM |
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I find it interesting |
marions ghost |
Sep-16-06 04:08 AM |
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what if this teacher had gotten pregnant |
dsc |
Sep-16-06 07:20 AM |
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Speaking only for California |
slackmaster |
Sep-16-06 07:57 AM |
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They wait until he turns 18 and then sue |
dsc |
Sep-16-06 08:01 AM |
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As a straight former teacher, I share your aggravation. |
TahitiNut |
Sep-17-06 03:27 PM |
#55 |
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That is a valid point |
dsc |
Sep-17-06 04:33 PM |
#60 |
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I agree - just like killing a poor person shouldn't be a lesser offense |
TahitiNut |
Sep-17-06 06:49 PM |
#81 |
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thank you...good points. nt |
melnjones |
Sep-20-06 12:44 AM |
#181 |
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The problem is very simple... |
sendero |
Sep-16-06 08:02 AM |
#26 |
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Excellent points |
lukasahero |
Sep-16-06 09:56 AM |
#27 |
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I tend to agree |
marions ghost |
Sep-16-06 10:11 AM |
#28 |
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Good post and I agree.... |
Finder |
Sep-16-06 10:22 AM |
#29 |
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Either the law is gender-blind or it is not. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-16-06 10:43 AM |
#30 |
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Fascinating subject. |
madmusic |
Sep-16-06 11:19 AM |
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To put the decision on the child is the height of stupidity |
dsc |
Sep-16-06 03:38 PM |
#32 |
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You lost me, dsc. |
madmusic |
Sep-16-06 08:36 PM |
#36 |
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I meant the Netherlands |
dsc |
Sep-17-06 05:43 AM |
#43 |
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You would have a good point if... |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 01:21 PM |
#50 |
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Really great post |
mongo |
Sep-16-06 09:48 PM |
#38 |
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That is understandable. |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 01:59 PM |
#51 |
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Frankly, I think this does highlight a double-standard- but not |
Marr |
Sep-16-06 07:38 PM |
#35 |
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I detest pedophilia. |
mmonk |
Sep-16-06 09:51 PM |
#39 |
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The adult is in the position of power. |
mmonk |
Sep-16-06 10:21 PM |
#40 |
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Do the crime, do the time |
oldcoot |
Sep-17-06 01:17 AM |
#42 |
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I would be for increasing punishment |
mmonk |
Sep-17-06 07:25 AM |
#44 |
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Why are feminists qualified to make all these assessments about men... |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-17-06 08:48 AM |
#45 |
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Not all feminists are women and not all women are feminists |
oldcoot |
Sep-17-06 09:10 AM |
#46 |
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I certainly didn't mean to claim to read men's minds. |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 05:03 PM |
#64 |
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Men and boys |
Boomer |
Sep-17-06 09:47 AM |
#48 |
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Dan Savage wrote a column about this once |
Withywindle |
Sep-17-06 03:03 PM |
#53 |
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I agressively sought out a 21 year old |
dsc |
Sep-17-06 04:46 PM |
#61 |
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In both cases they are child molestors and |
FILAM23 |
Sep-17-06 10:57 AM |
#49 |
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Child sex crime murders are VERY rare. |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 02:43 PM |
#52 |
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Teachers should be punished harshly regardless of their gender |
Nikia |
Sep-17-06 03:13 PM |
#54 |
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As a teacher |
yasmina27 |
Sep-17-06 03:35 PM |
#56 |
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Do you think 15 years is too much? |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 03:58 PM |
#57 |
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fortunately or unfortunately |
yasmina27 |
Sep-17-06 04:27 PM |
#59 |
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Yes, I know someone who did marry his student after she graduated. |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 05:26 PM |
#68 |
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I disagree with every bit of this ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 04:50 PM |
#62 |
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You have a lot of very valid points here |
dsc |
Sep-17-06 04:54 PM |
#63 |
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Thank you ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 05:32 PM |
#70 |
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I would have been far better off if he had done what your friend did |
dsc |
Sep-17-06 07:53 PM |
#90 |
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Disagreement is welcome. |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 05:18 PM |
#65 |
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Let me clarify ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 05:38 PM |
#72 |
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Thanks for the clarification. |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 05:48 PM |
#73 |
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Poll answers ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 06:06 PM |
#76 |
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That's a possibility. |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 06:46 PM |
#80 |
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Guessing, speculation, and making it up ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 07:35 PM |
#85 |
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You're right. I mean, for all we know... |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 07:42 PM |
#86 |
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Just so you know ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 08:01 PM |
#92 |
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I wasn't sure to put a reply to this post because |
Annces |
Sep-17-06 07:53 PM |
#89 |
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Precisely ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 08:03 PM |
#93 |
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Thanks for your posts |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-18-06 10:26 AM |
#150 |
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I'm listening. |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 08:05 PM |
#94 |
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-18-06 12:38 AM |
#134 |
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Wow, a lot of prejudice and stereotype? |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 07:24 PM |
#83 |
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Interesting ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 07:48 PM |
#88 |
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You're welcome. |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 08:11 PM |
#95 |
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15 Years ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 08:31 PM |
#97 |
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Fascinating -- and the questions to me are.... |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 08:39 PM |
#98 |
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You're welcome. I wondered all those things, too. |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 09:56 PM |
#112 |
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Me, too! And why is that?? |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 10:16 PM |
#115 |
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As your second poster asked (paraphrased) |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 11:36 PM |
#126 |
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Ability to talk ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-18-06 12:17 AM |
#130 |
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Thank you! |
Bunny |
Sep-17-06 05:22 PM |
#66 |
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"Degrees of wrongness" |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 05:35 PM |
#71 |
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Let me ask you this ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 05:59 PM |
#75 |
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"the dichotomy you've developed" |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 07:04 PM |
#82 |
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As I said in my private message, no flames from me. |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 05:58 PM |
#74 |
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Fully aware of that ... |
RoyGBiv |
Sep-17-06 06:09 PM |
#77 |
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Thanks. |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 06:15 PM |
#78 |
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Thank you. |
Mass |
Sep-18-06 10:15 AM |
#149 |
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Damn. I wish I could have said it as well as you. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-18-06 11:37 AM |
#154 |
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I'm a feminist, and I disagree vehemently with the OP. |
athena |
Sep-18-06 05:19 PM |
#172 |
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Friend, |
melnjones |
Sep-20-06 12:45 AM |
#182 |
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I think the problem is the "where were those hot teachers when I was 15" |
Odin2005 |
Sep-17-06 05:23 PM |
#67 |
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Is that all it's based on? |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 05:28 PM |
#69 |
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Your poll demonstrated the honesty that comes with anonymity. |
LostInAnomie |
Sep-17-06 09:16 PM |
#102 |
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I agree with much of that. |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 09:51 PM |
#111 |
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This is kind of a tricky case in the first place. |
LostInAnomie |
Sep-17-06 10:44 PM |
#122 |
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Bingo. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-18-06 06:57 PM |
#173 |
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Gosh, that "lame joke" has gotten so old and on so many levels - not cute |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 06:17 PM |
#79 |
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Does age have anything to do with it? |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 07:48 PM |
#87 |
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In civilized society, it's learned and rewarded demented behavior |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 08:55 PM |
#99 |
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you feminists can't have it both ways |
Raydawg1234 |
Sep-17-06 07:29 PM |
#84 |
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The Van Halen Song is cool, BUT if "The Teacher" ACTS ON the crush |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 09:01 PM |
#100 |
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abuse? we should have more teachers like her, |
Raydawg1234 |
Sep-17-06 09:35 PM |
#105 |
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I think the idea that they're the same is laughable.... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-17-06 07:59 PM |
#91 |
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You (and many others) articulate the "common sense." |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 08:21 PM |
#96 |
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Perhaps I'm strange but if it was my son who was seduced, I'd raise HELL |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 09:06 PM |
#101 |
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I think you voice another side of what's considered "common sense" |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 09:27 PM |
#103 |
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I don't think you are challenging our thinking |
mongo |
Sep-18-06 01:16 PM |
#161 |
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Good post. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-18-06 07:12 PM |
#174 |
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I might well raise hell too... *that's* not what's different... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-17-06 09:27 PM |
#104 |
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I don't think you fully realize that there can be emotional problems |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 09:36 PM |
#106 |
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And I don't think you fully realize what the word "typically" means. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-17-06 09:41 PM |
#108 |
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I know from education and observing the testimonies of both Perpetrators |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 09:47 PM |
#109 |
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Now you're just talking about something I never said anything about... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-17-06 09:57 PM |
#113 |
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I've miffed you, but no, having sex with a minor is not ever TYPICAL |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 10:09 PM |
#114 |
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You haven't miffed me in the least. You have contradicted yourself... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-17-06 10:29 PM |
#118 |
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I respect your opinion as well. :-) |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 10:32 PM |
#120 |
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sex addiction |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-18-06 10:48 AM |
#151 |
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Why there's no such thing as sex addiction |
mongo |
Sep-18-06 01:24 PM |
#162 |
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beg to differ |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-18-06 02:11 PM |
#164 |
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What exactly makes this a "new" disorder? |
mongo |
Sep-18-06 02:30 PM |
#165 |
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Agreed. "Just say no" is no good. |
madmusic |
Sep-18-06 04:28 PM |
#170 |
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Hold up there.... "IN EVERY CASE?" |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 10:47 PM |
#123 |
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Feel free to read the Mental Health Journals ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 11:58 PM |
#128 |
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That was a very emotional post. |
Sparkly |
Sep-18-06 12:13 AM |
#129 |
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Oh Stop! You know that my post makes sense and with a little research |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 12:26 AM |
#132 |
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lotsa luck, sparkly. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-18-06 12:45 AM |
#137 |
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Didn't you note that I corrected myself Bloo? |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 12:56 AM |
#139 |
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"In every case"? Not a chance,.... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-18-06 12:54 PM |
#160 |
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A "bigger" issue? |
madmusic |
Sep-17-06 09:36 PM |
#107 |
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Without clicking on your link yet, |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 10:21 PM |
#116 |
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The ADULT in this case failed restraining herself, and took advantage |
The Straight Story |
Sep-17-06 09:49 PM |
#110 |
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I wasn't so much thinking of her.... |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 10:30 PM |
#119 |
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The laws are designed to protect the minors. |
mmonk |
Sep-17-06 10:27 PM |
#117 |
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"it ain't about you, it's about our young people." |
Sparkly |
Sep-17-06 10:55 PM |
#124 |
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Based on what? The men of DU? |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 12:20 AM |
#131 |
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IMO, this is child abuse |
rosesaylavee |
Sep-17-06 10:39 PM |
#121 |
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Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 ho |
helderheid |
Sep-17-06 11:39 PM |
#127 |
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No flame |
The Traveler |
Sep-18-06 12:31 AM |
#133 |
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I only have a few questions - |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 12:38 AM |
#135 |
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Here are some answers |
The Traveler |
Sep-18-06 12:53 AM |
#138 |
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I accept you answers as genuine ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 01:10 AM |
#140 |
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Research shows that boys are harmed by it |
thecatburgler |
Sep-18-06 12:44 AM |
#136 |
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I think you can't dicuss this kind of stuff without looking at cultural |
bleedingheart |
Sep-18-06 07:45 AM |
#142 |
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Well in AmeriKKKa it's still illegal for a Woman teacher to break the |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 09:09 AM |
#143 |
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who are directing your rage towards? |
bleedingheart |
Sep-18-06 02:51 PM |
#168 |
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What exactly is a "child"? |
Boomer |
Sep-18-06 07:29 PM |
#176 |
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that is a good question |
bleedingheart |
Sep-18-06 07:51 PM |
#177 |
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Not that uncommon in some areas |
Boomer |
Sep-18-06 08:32 PM |
#178 |
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There's the crime, and then there the damage. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-06 09:22 AM |
#144 |
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But what you, with sincere respect, FAIL to realize having |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 09:38 AM |
#146 |
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We have the same bottom line. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-06 01:32 PM |
#163 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-18-06 09:23 AM |
#145 |
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thank-you |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 09:47 AM |
#147 |
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This is a Paraphrase the BASIC "appropriate parts" - politely ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 11:50 AM |
#155 |
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...sigh.... |
Sparkly |
Sep-18-06 12:11 PM |
#157 |
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I really think you should talk with people who work with Victims and |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 12:38 PM |
#159 |
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Seeking unequal treatment under law is inherently unequal. |
The Stranger |
Sep-18-06 12:17 PM |
#158 |
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Should the punishment fit the crime? |
madmusic |
Sep-18-06 04:57 PM |
#171 |
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I lost my own virginity |
Spinoza |
Sep-18-06 02:35 PM |
#166 |
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Just because it worked out OK for you |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-18-06 02:38 PM |
#167 |
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