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4. Organized religion - the #1 cause of bloodshed in the world
If it isn't christian vs muslim, it's catholic vs protestant, or it's hindu vs sikh, or it's muslim vs jew... just pick a corner of the world...
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  -Muslim anger grows over popes remarks Fountain79  Sep-15-06 06:16 AM   #0 
  - IMO, this is the equivalent of the Pope saying "Bring'em on!" n/t  no_hypocrisy   Sep-15-06 06:22 AM   #1 
  - Hardly.....  Fountain79   Sep-15-06 06:27 AM   #2 
  - Please remind me,  Xipe Totec   Sep-15-06 06:45 AM   #6 
  - Bingo.  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 06:50 AM   #8 
  - The crusades were not fought to annihilate islam.  patcox2   Sep-15-06 01:14 PM   #72 
     - If you truly believe that the Crusaders did not believe it was their holy  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 01:50 PM   #76 
        - I suppose that explains...  Spider Jerusalem   Sep-16-06 04:15 PM   #129 
  - The Muslims were as guilty as the Christians  tenshi816   Sep-15-06 07:42 AM   #12 
  - And the Christians are as guilty as the Muslims.  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:11 AM   #18 
  - Yes, they're as bad as each other, definitely.  tenshi816   Sep-15-06 08:47 AM   #39 
  - does his view have anything to do with the fact he is Catholic???  bobbieinok   Sep-15-06 11:03 PM   #112 
  - The Crusades were an answer to Muslim incursion into Europe  cigsandcoffee   Sep-15-06 07:46 AM   #13 
  - Ridiculous! You claim this spurred the 1st Crusade 200 years later!?  Bonobo   Sep-15-06 08:52 AM   #42 
     - No just 24 years earlier, the battle of Mazikert. in 1071  happyslug   Sep-15-06 09:54 AM   #52 
        - Thank you... Will study when I can. ;)  Bonobo   Sep-15-06 10:01 AM   #53 
        - What you leave out is that the first crusade was basically ordered  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 10:35 AM   #57 
           - You ignoring some other history, as who were the majority in Palestine  happyslug   Sep-15-06 01:12 PM   #70 
              - Its wonderful to see real facts and analysis brought to this.  patcox2   Sep-15-06 01:18 PM   #74 
                 - It has nothing to do with anti-catholic bias, but rather with facts  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 01:46 PM   #75 
                    - Catholics did not massacre muslims in their own lands.  patcox2   Sep-15-06 02:52 PM   #77 
                    - Self-hatred? I don't think so. You know nothing about me or who  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 03:03 PM   #78 
                       - Unless you aren't Christian, how  mmonk   Sep-16-06 07:21 AM   #117 
                          - Definitely not a Christian.  ET Awful   Sep-16-06 11:08 AM   #118 
                             - And your tree?  mmonk   Sep-16-06 11:11 PM   #131 
                    - To ignore Egypt when it comes to Palestine is to ignore 5000 yr of History  happyslug   Sep-15-06 09:37 PM   #100 
  - Remind me...how long ago was that? n/t  Fountain79   Sep-15-06 07:26 PM   #99 
  - Not quite that cut and dried...  Spider Jerusalem   Sep-16-06 04:13 PM   #128 
  - There does seem to be some kind of unwritten rule about that.  cigsandcoffee   Sep-15-06 07:50 AM   #14 
  - Considering the current political situation it makes sense  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:15 AM   #19 
  - I don't like the black/white double standard, either.  cigsandcoffee   Sep-15-06 08:36 AM   #36 
     - Never mind the many thousands of innocent people murdered whnever we get  leesa   Sep-15-06 10:22 PM   #105 
  - There is extremism on both sides on the past  Craftsman   Sep-15-06 08:15 AM   #20 
  - They have the US military carrying out their work for them.  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:21 AM   #31 
  - Bombs planted outside family planning clinics however are  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 08:43 AM   #38 
  - No but they are few and far between  Craftsman   Sep-15-06 09:00 AM   #45 
     - Mmmmhmmmm, your point?  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 10:25 AM   #54 
     - Just a couple of days ago...  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-15-06 01:01 PM   #65 
  - I don't see Muslims doing that either, to be fair.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-06 09:08 AM   #50 
  - The problem is not that people don't criticize Islam, the problem is that  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 10:29 AM   #55 
     - Yes and no.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-06 06:10 PM   #95 
  - The muslims and rest of the world  CJCRANE   Sep-15-06 01:03 PM   #67 
  - I thought Hindu was the sacred cow...  deaniac21   Sep-15-06 10:33 AM   #56 
  - Islam is not a sacred cow  CJCRANE   Sep-15-06 01:00 PM   #63 
  - A critique from the 14th century is valid today?  Clark2008   Sep-15-06 08:18 AM   #26 
  - Der Popenfuhrer just called Islam evil.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-15-06 12:58 PM   #62 
     - no he didn't. n/t  Henny Penny   Sep-15-06 05:44 PM   #91 
  - No it isn't. The clown in a dress was quoting one of his ancient  MADem   Sep-15-06 07:32 AM   #11 
  - You're right, of course, but wouldn't you just  tenshi816   Sep-15-06 08:06 AM   #16 
  - It would be worth seeing, for sure...and even more so if he wore  MADem   Sep-15-06 08:59 AM   #43 
     - Sunglasses would be good too,  tenshi816   Sep-15-06 09:04 AM   #48 
  - "Clown in a dress." What does the Dalai Lama have to do with this?  cigsandcoffee   Sep-15-06 03:51 PM   #83 
     - The Dalai Lama doesn't wear a dress. He wears curtains.  cherokeeprogressive   Sep-16-06 02:58 PM   #122 
     - I find all religious costumes goofy and manipulative  MADem   Sep-16-06 05:19 PM   #130 
  - you might like to reconsider your opinion!  Henny Penny   Sep-15-06 05:44 PM   #90 
  - Are the people being stirred up regular Muslims  magellan   Sep-15-06 06:27 AM   #3 
  - Exactly, what is it about one Muslim fanatic that gets Americans  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:16 AM   #23 
  - Organized religion - the #1 cause of bloodshed in the world  Number9Dream   Sep-15-06 06:43 AM   #4 
  - i guess the millions killed in pogroms in Soviet  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-15-06 08:16 AM   #21 
  - Sure they do. There was something religious about the Soviets  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:18 AM   #25 
  - Try "dogma." And take a look at this:  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-15-06 08:21 AM   #29 
     - The Soviets had control of the press, too.  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:32 AM   #34 
  - Communism WAS a religion  doubleplusgood   Sep-15-06 08:30 AM   #33 
     - ok...as long as people see that  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-15-06 08:37 AM   #37 
  - religion isn't the cause, more the means to war. . .  Hamlette   Sep-15-06 09:01 AM   #46 
  - I guess he forgot about his predecessors who suggested  ET Awful   Sep-15-06 06:45 AM   #5 
  - Even part of the same faith  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:33 AM   #35 
  - Well, Benedict ran the Spanish Inquisition  dmesg   Sep-15-06 03:33 PM   #81 
  - Oh really? How amazing!  Ripley   Sep-15-06 06:50 AM   #7 
  - How many burn embassies of muslim countries though?  dmesg   Sep-15-06 03:37 PM   #82 
  - What I want to knowis  NC_Nurse   Sep-15-06 07:16 AM   #9 
  - They have a long memory  notmypresident   Sep-15-06 07:22 AM   #10 
  - Because the history of Catholicism is all warm and fuzzy, right?  philosophie_en_rose   Sep-15-06 07:54 AM   #15 
  - It's not like we make any attempt to understand them  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:10 AM   #17 
  - They make no attempt to understand the West, either.  Codeine   Sep-15-06 10:08 PM   #101 
  - So, if a top Jewish cleric says Jesus brought the Inquisition  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-15-06 08:16 AM   #22 
  - There probably are some "Christians" who would bomb a  treestar   Sep-15-06 08:20 AM   #28 
  - Firebombings of Catholic churches will probably start  geek tragedy   Sep-15-06 08:17 AM   #24 
  - That's probably what Pope Ratzi wants.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-15-06 08:19 AM   #27 
     - Pope Ratzo is a rightwinger and is incredibly intolerant.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-06 08:23 AM   #32 
     - Well, the attacks on Christian Churches have already begun.  geek tragedy   Sep-16-06 12:25 PM   #119 
  - That's a holy man for you....  dogday   Sep-15-06 08:21 AM   #30 
  - Double Standards  Woolwich   Sep-15-06 08:49 AM   #40 
  - he`s an old fool  madrchsod   Sep-15-06 08:51 AM   #41 
  - Islam should be ridiculed at every  genie_weenie   Sep-15-06 09:00 AM   #44 
  - Agreed.  Taxloss   Sep-15-06 01:10 PM   #69 
  - Well said!  Codeine   Sep-15-06 10:09 PM   #102 
     - *No Sacred Cows* sounds good and  genie_weenie   Sep-16-06 06:56 AM   #116 
  - Da pope has gone and pooped  UTUSN   Sep-15-06 09:04 AM   #47 
  - Wake up. Damage from Christian terrorism far exceeds that of Muslim.  The Stranger   Sep-15-06 09:08 AM   #49 
  - Excuse me?  Taoschick   Sep-15-06 11:25 PM   #114 
     - How about this?  Hatalles   Sep-15-06 11:32 PM   #115 
     - Are you unaware of the rampage called The Holy Inquisition?  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 04:00 PM   #127 
  - This guy just shows how great of a pope JPII was  noonwitch   Sep-15-06 09:27 AM   #51 
  - Yes, thank Goddess!  deaniac21   Sep-15-06 10:37 AM   #58 
  - Anyone attacking the pope for this needs to read what he actually said  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-06 12:13 PM   #59 
  - Sorry. I'm too filled with the Zeal  genie_weenie   Sep-15-06 12:16 PM   #60 
  - Oh, but you SHOULD follow his suggestion! See below.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-15-06 01:02 PM   #66 
  - Thanks for the suggestion. I read what he actually said...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-15-06 01:01 PM   #64 
     - He certainly speaks out against violent conversion.  Taxloss   Sep-15-06 01:05 PM   #68 
     - My thoughts exactly.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-15-06 01:14 PM   #71 
        - Yes, because clearly the pope wants to offend Muslims pointlessly.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-06 05:42 PM   #89 
           - No, not pointlessly. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-15-06 06:04 PM   #92 
              - You'll need more than that to convince me of anything.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-06 06:15 PM   #96 
     - He clearly isn't agreeing with it.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-06 05:34 PM   #88 
  - RW is totally out of control. These fundies are out of control  Xenotime   Sep-15-06 12:54 PM   #61 
  - Yep, the only people  CJCRANE   Sep-15-06 01:15 PM   #73 
  - did they condemn Ahmadinejad ?  JI7   Sep-15-06 03:07 PM   #79 
  - I, frankly, have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-15-06 03:11 PM   #80 
  - This morning I read, "Anyone that accuses Islam of intolerance risks  retread   Sep-15-06 03:53 PM   #84 
  - Who said that? Somebody from the Taliban?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-15-06 06:07 PM   #93 
  - Thankfully, it's not true.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-06 06:16 PM   #97 
  - Here's some words for you boys: "Gays. Birth Control. Science. Sexuality."  impeachdubya   Sep-15-06 04:42 PM   #85 
  - Nothing new  FoxOnTheRun   Sep-15-06 04:55 PM   #86 
  - the Pope's language is an incitement of more violent rhetoric  Supersedeas   Sep-15-06 05:04 PM   #87 
  - Is there something incorrect about what that emperor said? Was that NOT  WinkyDink   Sep-15-06 06:10 PM   #94 
  - Yeah Fountain79 I agree  Cornerstone   Sep-15-06 06:18 PM   #98 
  - Lots of bigots on this thread.  leesa   Sep-15-06 10:25 PM   #107 
     - lots of self-righteous prisspots, too. n/t  QC   Sep-15-06 10:50 PM   #111 
     - Apparently the Pope is one of them.  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 03:52 PM   #124 
  - Give me a break. Why would you excuse inciting Muslims at this time?  CarlVK   Sep-15-06 10:12 PM   #103 
  - Muslim anger grows over every damned thing!  Codeine   Sep-15-06 10:13 PM   #104 
  - Maybe because they are the ones getting blown up and murdered by the tens  leesa   Sep-15-06 10:24 PM   #106 
  - "Islam" is not the problem. Fanaticism is.  CarlVK   Sep-16-06 03:58 PM   #126 
  - The man isn't worthy of being a pope  savemefromdumbya   Sep-15-06 10:27 PM   #108 
  - Pope doesnt want war in name of religion....  lisainmilo   Sep-15-06 10:40 PM   #109 
  - and how did Charlemagne convert the Saxons???  bobbieinok   Sep-15-06 10:47 PM   #110 
  - I'm a little unsure what I think about this right now.  Dorian Gray   Sep-15-06 11:06 PM   #113 
  - I've read the text of his comments in full  Dorian Gray   Sep-16-06 03:48 PM   #123 
  - This is a reflection of the world we live in  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-16-06 12:30 PM   #120 
  - Well, of course - Ratzinger is a religious bigot.  Zhade   Sep-16-06 02:48 PM   #121 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-16-06 03:53 PM   #125 
  - This is NOT an issue where the Catholic Church leaders' hands are clean.  1932   Sep-16-06 11:23 PM   #132 
 

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