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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. People are already dying
and people and businesses and hospitals are already going bankrupt (or cutting off what benefits they have).

Currently, the system doesn't have much incentive (outside some types of HMO's) to offer affordable, preventative healthcare and wellness programs. Due to adverse selection- early maintence care for chronic conditions like diabetes rarely exists- what you see instead are really expensive treatments for harmful results- amputations, end stage renal failure and the like.

The poster above notes a common sentiment- that's we'll never get something like a single payer plan- one that cuts the parasites (those who do nothing but push paper and try to deny care) and the HR folks (who try to get you covered) out of the system.

I disagree. You're correct that it'll cause some short term suffering- but I think that'll be outwieghed both in terms of suffering and economic gain from a long term fix.

And I think the only way that it'll happen is through a fairly widespread crisis- one that, incidently, would benefit the Dems, if they ever got their noses out of the same corporate asses that fund the far right.
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  -Their goal - END employer paid health care. Please Read. salin  Jan-22-06 02:33 PM   #0 
  - I believe what you are saying is exactly what they are pushing.  meti57b   Jan-22-06 02:38 PM   #1 
  - It seems so obvious - and frightens me that no one is talking about  salin   Jan-22-06 02:41 PM   #2 
  - then no one over 40 will have health care  pitohui   Jan-22-06 02:43 PM   #3 
  - here is a poll from sept 2005  pitohui   Jan-22-06 02:50 PM   #4 
  - Doesn't suprise me at all.  salin   Jan-22-06 02:54 PM   #6 
  - It doesn't make sense - except from the corrupt corporate angle:  salin   Jan-22-06 02:51 PM   #5 
  - As an employer, I can tell you it makes perfect sense from the  tsuki   Jan-22-06 03:27 PM   #13 
  - For a little while a couple of years ago, it looked like  salin   Jan-22-06 05:23 PM   #23 
     - Whether the public believes it or not, the insurance companies  tsuki   Jan-22-06 08:49 PM   #41 
        - This is one issue that has a whole lot of folks  salin   Jan-22-06 09:02 PM   #42 
  - your onto something  Mel   Jan-22-06 03:38 PM   #16 
     - Glad that you found this; and that you, too  salin   Jan-22-06 05:25 PM   #25 
        - The only thing I can figure  Mel   Jan-23-06 07:18 AM   #53 
  - They are salivating over the prospect of millions of older destitute  B Calm   Jan-22-06 05:16 PM   #21 
  - almost as if they look at the great depression as 'the good old days'  salin   Jan-22-06 05:26 PM   #26 
  - What makes you think that they will  liberalhistorian   Jan-22-06 11:58 PM   #47 
  - You are so right!  mailman82   Jan-22-06 03:08 PM   #7 
  - almost makes the GOP refusal to insert an exception for health crises  salin   Jan-22-06 03:14 PM   #8 
  - Mailman, a challenge for you  salin   Jan-22-06 05:53 PM   #36 
     - I wouldn't be surprised if corporations "gave" some money to employees  Lasher   Jan-22-06 10:58 PM   #44 
        - Great post Lasher and so right on!  B Calm   Jan-23-06 05:01 AM   #50 
        - this rings true  salin   Jan-23-06 06:01 AM   #51 
  - If you are poor or middle class, you don't deserve to live  HockeyMom   Jan-22-06 03:18 PM   #9 
  - The goal is to bring life expectancy back to the middle ages.  Cobalt Violet   Jan-23-06 07:42 AM   #56 
  - They also want to reduce govt's share of Federal Health Insur premiums  wishlist   Jan-22-06 03:18 PM   #10 
  - The Corporate Lords want us desperate so we'll work cheap, because  B Calm   Jan-22-06 03:24 PM   #11 
  - Whats even more surprising is it took DUers this long  mrcheerful   Jan-22-06 03:24 PM   #12 
  - What do the Asian businesses do then?  Delphinus   Jan-22-06 04:56 PM   #20 
     - Asians like Japan and China have government health care  mrcheerful   Jan-22-06 05:43 PM   #35 
  - Commie Pinko Dirtbag Slogan Suggestion #984:  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-22-06 03:32 PM   #14 
  - Veteran health benefits are eroding too :(  Catchawave   Jan-22-06 03:38 PM   #15 
  - VA prescription drug copay has increased 300% under Bush  Lasher   Jan-22-06 11:15 PM   #45 
  - The inevitable General Motors Bankruptcy will end employer paid hlth care  Coastie for Truth   Jan-22-06 03:48 PM   #17 
  - THanks for the link  salin   Jan-22-06 05:30 PM   #28 
  - Before I had health insurance I used to use fake names when I went  rosebud57   Jan-22-06 03:58 PM   #18 
  - sample the logic of a freeper..double taxation = "tax simplification"  flaminbats   Jan-22-06 03:59 PM   #19 
  - what inefficiencies? They say the economy is doing great!  HypnoToad   Jan-22-06 05:19 PM   #22 
  - It will only collapse the Medical system which is already about  lovuian   Jan-22-06 05:23 PM   #24 
  - One can only hope... frankly the only good thing about the current  salin   Jan-22-06 05:33 PM   #30 
  - They also want to end employer funded healthcare  ikojo   Jan-22-06 05:26 PM   #27 
  - Im not worried  Glidescube   Jan-22-06 05:32 PM   #29 
  - Look for labor unions to be outlawed!  B Calm   Jan-22-06 05:35 PM   #31 
  - Actually, it's a good idea  depakid   Jan-22-06 05:38 PM   #32 
  - You'll never see a rational form of univeral healthcare in this country  B Calm   Jan-22-06 05:41 PM   #33 
  - While I follow your reasoning,  salin   Jan-22-06 05:43 PM   #34 
     - People are already dying  depakid   Jan-22-06 06:04 PM   #38 
  - Oh, it is so much WORSE than you suggest.  Festivito   Jan-22-06 05:53 PM   #37 
  - this is great salin  bigtree   Jan-22-06 06:56 PM   #39 
  - Lets just expand the er's  bonito   Jan-22-06 07:57 PM   #40 
  - They truly want to kill off the middle-class and poor  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jan-22-06 10:51 PM   #43 
  - They want us poor and desperate! They are slowly turning this country  B Calm   Jan-23-06 04:36 AM   #48 
  - Scary but true. /nt  LiberalAndProud   Jan-22-06 11:20 PM   #46 
  - Social Darwinism that will ultimately lead to slowmo GENOCIDE!  Cooley Hurd   Jan-23-06 04:44 AM   #49 
  - "Does what I write make sense?"  area51   Jan-23-06 06:39 AM   #52 
  - I support  mmonk   Jan-23-06 07:21 AM   #54 
  - We should have free healthcare for all US citizens  Lasher   Jan-23-06 08:49 PM   #59 
  - Notice that whenever a company goes under or has to lay off,  ComerPerro   Jan-23-06 07:25 AM   #55 
  - No wonder the *ushies are scared s--tless over the leftward  amandabeech   Jan-23-06 07:55 AM   #57 
  - My company made it apparent 2 years ago they would end coverage  bleedingheart   Jan-23-06 08:03 AM   #58 

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