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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 02:39 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. Umma does not mean "nationalism"
it means "the community of Muslims." A transnational concept, in fact.
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  -What is fascism? Superman Returns  Sep-01-06 09:23 PM   #0 
  - My favorite - from Mussolini -  DURHAM D   Sep-01-06 09:29 PM   #1 
  - I'm with you on this  fairfaxvadem   Sep-01-06 09:43 PM   #5 
  - The difference is in the amount of religion  Nevernose   Sep-01-06 09:57 PM   #12 
  - While I agree with what that quote says, it is mostly likely a false one  OregonDem   Sep-01-06 09:52 PM   #9 
  - Here is a something written By Mussolini that is authentic that says  OregonDem   Sep-01-06 10:03 PM   #13 
  - Misused and misinterpreted quote (if he even said it).  blurp   Sep-02-06 02:51 AM   #41 
  - I start with one : clerical fascism (to avoid specific religions by name)  tocqueville   Sep-01-06 09:35 PM   #2 
  - i believe you are referring to a Theocracy, religion is a subset of Fascism  sam sarrha   Sep-01-06 09:53 PM   #10 
  - see post below  tocqueville   Sep-01-06 09:56 PM   #11 
  - But there's still a big difference...  Nabeshin   Sep-01-06 11:01 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-01-06 09:39 PM   #3 
  - it's oversimplification  tocqueville   Sep-01-06 09:51 PM   #8 
     - Here is a way to simplify it then...  AntiFascist   Sep-01-06 10:19 PM   #17 
  - as rummy used it, it's an emotional term, all connotation, no denotation  unblock   Sep-01-06 09:42 PM   #4 
  - Here's some informed opinions  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-01-06 09:44 PM   #6 
  - and none of those have anything to do with fascism  Ms. Clio   Sep-01-06 10:04 PM   #14 
  - I'm interested to know....  AntiFascist   Sep-01-06 10:42 PM   #19 
  - Not according to Mussolini's definition, anyway  Ms. Clio   Sep-01-06 11:43 PM   #22 
  - Those observations were directly on point  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-01-06 11:54 PM   #23 
     - They were not a stateless organization at all -- they drew their ideology  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 12:08 AM   #25 
     - Islam has the umma  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 12:16 AM   #26 
        - Really, what mental contortions ARE required to avoid seeing the obvious  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 12:42 AM   #28 
           - And what does umma mean? Seriously, do you know?  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 01:37 AM   #30 
              - Wow, you are just all over the map here  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 02:10 AM   #32 
                 - I quoted the Christian Science monitor, not the Hudson inst  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 02:19 AM   #33 
                    - Gramsci -- surely a political scientist is familiar with him?  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 02:24 AM   #35 
                       - And the BBC is also neocon nutty?  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 02:55 AM   #42 
                          - What does that prove? None of those people are the heads of a STATE  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 03:11 AM   #44 
                             - al Qaeda was an existential threat to 3000 people  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 03:21 AM   #48 
                                - Honestly, you just don't follow any logical train of thought  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 03:35 AM   #51 
                                   - We're not discussing threatening the entire world  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 03:52 AM   #52 
     - The Nazis were sponsored by industrialists and banking interests...  AntiFascist   Sep-02-06 04:37 AM   #53 
     - Before they seized power, Nazis were authoritarian conservatives,  Zorra   Sep-02-06 12:27 PM   #57 
  - you could compare with revisionist zionism  tocqueville   Sep-01-06 10:09 PM   #15 
     - And I'm sure you would  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 12:22 AM   #27 
        - this "parties" produced two Israeli PMs  tocqueville   Sep-02-06 11:33 AM   #56 
  - I think it is one of those mood ring words like terrorist or liberal  FlavaKreemSnak   Sep-01-06 09:48 PM   #7 
  - It's on my website...The true definition...  lisainmilo   Sep-01-06 10:13 PM   #16 
  - Mussolini: "The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State"  Ms. Clio   Sep-01-06 10:25 PM   #18 
  - Mussolini: Fascism is a religious concept  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 02:21 AM   #34 
     - He was referencing a "religious" relationship with the State  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 02:25 AM   #36 
        - Fascism respects the God of ascetics, saints, and heroes  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 02:35 AM   #38 
           - Umma does not mean "nationalism"  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 02:39 AM   #39 
              - I see only one of us learned Aramaic  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 03:10 AM   #43 
                 - how you think that does anything but prove my point  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 03:13 AM   #45 
                    - You just don't get it, do you? Nationalism isn't about place  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 03:17 AM   #46 
                       - So you are back in your "words mean what I say they mean" mode  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 03:18 AM   #47 
                          - The umma is a nation. Just like mine. We have a single  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-06 03:25 AM   #49 
  - It's like slocism only faster :) (nt)  The Straight Story   Sep-01-06 11:02 PM   #21 
  - fuddadump  upi402   Sep-01-06 11:58 PM   #24 
  - Have you read "The Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism" by  sofedupwithbush   Sep-02-06 01:14 AM   #29 
  - Great question because I bet if you asked that of every American, I bet  Pachamama   Sep-02-06 01:46 AM   #31 
  - Good comments folks  Superman Returns   Sep-02-06 02:33 AM   #37 
  - That sounds about right to me  Ms. Clio   Sep-02-06 02:43 AM   #40 
  - That is a good way of looking at it....  AntiFascist   Sep-02-06 05:35 AM   #54 
  - This says it all...And will tell you what you want to know in a "nutshell"  LaPera   Sep-02-06 03:25 AM   #50 
  - See George Bush...  Hubert Flottz   Sep-02-06 06:09 AM   #55 

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