Fredda Weinberg
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Sat Sep-02-06 01:37 AM
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| 30. And what does umma mean? Seriously, do you know? |
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And if you think I'm a neocon, you're deluding yourself. It's my real name ... go look me up.
And why do you assume I'm not familiar with Mussolini's writings? I graduated with a dual major in political science. You think I learned about fascism at DU?
The fasci preceeded Mussolini by decades - some of them were democrats and socialists. So tell me again ... how is fascism an ideology?
Nuttiness is insisting that a reification is a substitute for a concept. But I suspect that politics has more to do with this than intellectual rigor, considering how quickly you resorted to the neocon canard.
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| -What is fascism? |
Superman Returns |
Sep-01-06 09:23 PM |
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My favorite - from Mussolini - |
DURHAM D |
Sep-01-06 09:29 PM |
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I'm with you on this |
fairfaxvadem |
Sep-01-06 09:43 PM |
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The difference is in the amount of religion |
Nevernose |
Sep-01-06 09:57 PM |
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While I agree with what that quote says, it is mostly likely a false one |
OregonDem |
Sep-01-06 09:52 PM |
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Here is a something written By Mussolini that is authentic that says |
OregonDem |
Sep-01-06 10:03 PM |
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Misused and misinterpreted quote (if he even said it). |
blurp |
Sep-02-06 02:51 AM |
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I start with one : clerical fascism (to avoid specific religions by name) |
tocqueville |
Sep-01-06 09:35 PM |
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i believe you are referring to a Theocracy, religion is a subset of Fascism |
sam sarrha |
Sep-01-06 09:53 PM |
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see post below |
tocqueville |
Sep-01-06 09:56 PM |
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But there's still a big difference... |
Nabeshin |
Sep-01-06 11:01 PM |
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Name removed |
Sep-01-06 09:39 PM |
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it's oversimplification |
tocqueville |
Sep-01-06 09:51 PM |
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Here is a way to simplify it then... |
AntiFascist |
Sep-01-06 10:19 PM |
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as rummy used it, it's an emotional term, all connotation, no denotation |
unblock |
Sep-01-06 09:42 PM |
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Here's some informed opinions |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-01-06 09:44 PM |
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and none of those have anything to do with fascism |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-01-06 10:04 PM |
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I'm interested to know.... |
AntiFascist |
Sep-01-06 10:42 PM |
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Not according to Mussolini's definition, anyway |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-01-06 11:43 PM |
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Those observations were directly on point |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-01-06 11:54 PM |
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They were not a stateless organization at all -- they drew their ideology |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 12:08 AM |
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Islam has the umma |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 12:16 AM |
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Really, what mental contortions ARE required to avoid seeing the obvious |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 12:42 AM |
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And what does umma mean? Seriously, do you know? |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 01:37 AM |
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Wow, you are just all over the map here |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 02:10 AM |
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I quoted the Christian Science monitor, not the Hudson inst |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 02:19 AM |
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Gramsci -- surely a political scientist is familiar with him? |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 02:24 AM |
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And the BBC is also neocon nutty? |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 02:55 AM |
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What does that prove? None of those people are the heads of a STATE |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 03:11 AM |
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al Qaeda was an existential threat to 3000 people |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 03:21 AM |
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Honestly, you just don't follow any logical train of thought |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 03:35 AM |
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We're not discussing threatening the entire world |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 03:52 AM |
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The Nazis were sponsored by industrialists and banking interests... |
AntiFascist |
Sep-02-06 04:37 AM |
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Before they seized power, Nazis were authoritarian conservatives, |
Zorra |
Sep-02-06 12:27 PM |
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you could compare with revisionist zionism |
tocqueville |
Sep-01-06 10:09 PM |
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And I'm sure you would |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 12:22 AM |
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this "parties" produced two Israeli PMs |
tocqueville |
Sep-02-06 11:33 AM |
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I think it is one of those mood ring words like terrorist or liberal |
FlavaKreemSnak |
Sep-01-06 09:48 PM |
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It's on my website...The true definition... |
lisainmilo |
Sep-01-06 10:13 PM |
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Mussolini: "The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State" |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-01-06 10:25 PM |
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Mussolini: “Fascism is a religious concept” |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 02:21 AM |
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He was referencing a "religious" relationship with the State |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 02:25 AM |
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Fascism respects the God of ascetics, saints, and heroes |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 02:35 AM |
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Umma does not mean "nationalism" |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 02:39 AM |
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I see only one of us learned Aramaic |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 03:10 AM |
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how you think that does anything but prove my point |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 03:13 AM |
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You just don't get it, do you? Nationalism isn't about place |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 03:17 AM |
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So you are back in your "words mean what I say they mean" mode |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 03:18 AM |
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The umma is a nation. Just like mine. We have a single |
Fredda Weinberg |
Sep-02-06 03:25 AM |
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It's like slocism only faster :) (nt) |
The Straight Story |
Sep-01-06 11:02 PM |
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fuddadump |
upi402 |
Sep-01-06 11:58 PM |
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Have you read "The Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism" by |
sofedupwithbush |
Sep-02-06 01:14 AM |
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Great question because I bet if you asked that of every American, I bet |
Pachamama |
Sep-02-06 01:46 AM |
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Good comments folks |
Superman Returns |
Sep-02-06 02:33 AM |
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That sounds about right to me |
Ms. Clio |
Sep-02-06 02:43 AM |
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That is a good way of looking at it.... |
AntiFascist |
Sep-02-06 05:35 AM |
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This says it all...And will tell you what you want to know in a "nutshell" |
LaPera |
Sep-02-06 03:25 AM |
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See George Bush... |
Hubert Flottz |
Sep-02-06 06:09 AM |
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