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165. In what mediaworld do you think that is what would have gone down?
Most people in this country in Jan 2001 would get behind Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Poppy Bush and Bob Dole all urging the country to unite behind Bush2.

In YOUR world with the group of people you talk with, people like me, we concern ourselves with details of issues that few in this country even know exist.

Right now, it's a much more general view of what's going on that has brought more to realize Bush's incompetence, and for that it took an unreal hat trick of 2005 to open their eyes - first the attack on Social Security, then Schiavo, then Katrina. Unspinnable policies and events.
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  -Kerry alleges misconduct in 2004 Ohio vote kpete  Aug-29-06 11:13 AM   #0 
  - too late, john  rusty charly   Aug-29-06 11:14 AM   #1 
  - Too late to warn about election fraud? Would Aug 2002 have been too late  blm   Aug-29-06 11:16 AM   #2 
  - BRAVO blm!! Too late for 2004 but NOT for 2006, 2008, ...  helderheid   Aug-29-06 11:22 AM   #5 
  - You're right. I think that a lot of people who worked hard  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:58 PM   #58 
  - you are so VERY right! We need all dems to speak up!  robinlynne   Aug-29-06 03:05 PM   #64 
  - To late  rrasile   Aug-29-06 03:22 PM   #71 
     - And if Gore warned of election fraud in 2002 it would've been too late?  blm   Aug-29-06 03:56 PM   #76 
        - Kerry & Gore too late... need new blood!  Imagevision   Aug-30-06 07:18 PM   #166 
           - That new blood has a 13yr record of quietly sitting on the sidelines, even  blm   Aug-31-06 08:08 AM   #173 
  - he has brought up these allegations before, along with other Dem's.  wisteria   Aug-29-06 11:43 AM   #7 
  - Take a Walk Kerry,and bring Hillary With You  bigluckyfeet   Aug-29-06 04:20 PM   #84 
  - This isn't a new statement  LittleClarkie   Aug-29-06 05:49 PM   #92 
  - Agreed.  Benfea   Aug-31-06 11:39 AM   #177 
  - 2 Years Too Later  ThomWV   Aug-29-06 11:17 AM   #3 
  - Would Aug2002 have been too late for Gore to warn Dems on election fraud?  blm   Aug-29-06 11:19 AM   #4 
  - you're missing "for 2004". Not for 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, etc., etc.  helderheid   Aug-29-06 11:23 AM   #6 
  - You haven't be paying attention, yet you feel you have a right to  wisteria   Aug-29-06 11:47 AM   #9 
  - All judgments about Kerry aside  PATRICK   Aug-29-06 11:46 AM   #8 
  - You're so right. Authorized Propoganda is connected  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:07 PM   #35 
  - Apparently not - they're sucked into mocking Kerry as the article intended  blm   Aug-29-06 06:29 PM   #98 
     - Kerry obviously struck a nerve!  ProSense   Aug-29-06 06:32 PM   #99 
     - Kerry obviously struck a nerve!  ProSense   Aug-29-06 06:32 PM   #100 
  - However, combined with posts like yours - great material for LTTEs!  redqueen   Aug-29-06 02:58 PM   #57 
  - You're so right.  femmedem   Aug-29-06 08:06 PM   #122 
  - and that's why we can't give him another chance to throw an election.  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 11:50 AM   #10 
  - agreed. he can and should play a powerful role tho in cleaning up the  Kashka-Kat   Aug-29-06 11:59 AM   #13 
  - I would encourage him to follow Al Gore's lead.  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 12:56 PM   #20 
     - I heard Gore repeatedly warned Dems about election fraud in 2001 and 2002  blm   Aug-29-06 01:30 PM   #25 
        - I honestly don't remember that - but I take you at your word  karynnj   Aug-29-06 01:41 PM   #28 
        - Actually, he didn't - I was making a point that election fraud was OFF the  blm   Aug-29-06 02:57 PM   #56 
        - Then where was he while hundreds of thousands of citizens were in the  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 02:50 PM   #49 
           - Exactly!  mongo   Aug-29-06 02:56 PM   #54 
           - Hundreds of thousands?  MH1   Aug-29-06 07:05 PM   #104 
              - No you wouldn't, because there was NO COVERAGE at all.  greyhound1966   Aug-30-06 01:41 PM   #150 
  - Who is that?  blm   Aug-29-06 01:24 PM   #23 
  - I don't know. Who was Huey Long before he took up the cry and  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 02:54 PM   #52 
     - So work against the Dem with the BEST record of any lawmaker in office  blm   Aug-29-06 03:00 PM   #60 
        - Who's working against him? As far as I know the voters in Massachusetts  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 03:04 PM   #63 
           - HAHA - you don't accrue the record exposing govt corruption that Kerry has  blm   Aug-29-06 03:17 PM   #69 
              - Hmmm, seems to me that he was a Senator in 2000 when the  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 03:24 PM   #73 
                 - When it really mattered means different times to different people.  blm   Aug-29-06 03:27 PM   #75 
                 - Since you have apparently forgotten what was written five lines up,  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 04:01 PM   #77 
                    - There still isn't a one who's put his ass on the line more than Kerry has.  blm   Aug-29-06 04:08 PM   #80 
                       - "Laws grind the poor, and rich men rule the law" - Oliver Goldsmith  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 04:49 PM   #85 
                       - Because Gore asked them not to do it - Gore was not in the position to  blm   Aug-29-06 04:57 PM   #88 
                          - No, it's never easy to be a hero, that's why we have so few.  greyhound1966   Aug-30-06 02:02 PM   #151 
                             - Completely untrue - one senator could have done it but all that would have  blm   Aug-30-06 02:50 PM   #153 
                                - You're just wrong. If he, or any Senator, had signed on to the challenge  greyhound1966   Aug-30-06 03:08 PM   #156 
                                   - I agree it would've prolonged the issue - but to WHAT POINT? To the point  blm   Aug-30-06 04:37 PM   #160 
                                      - As I said, it would've forced their hand and utterly crippled his  greyhound1966   Aug-30-06 04:49 PM   #162 
                                         - In what mediaworld do you think that is what would have gone down?  blm   Aug-30-06 06:57 PM   #165 
                                            - You're right about the media, that's why the resolution, or whatever  greyhound1966   Aug-30-06 10:43 PM   #170 
                       - I like Kerry well enough but you go to far......  DWilliamsamh   Aug-29-06 06:07 PM   #93 
                          - The team of election lawyers said there was no legal case to continue, and  blm   Aug-29-06 06:15 PM   #94 
                             - I am not going to dignify that specious remark (n/t)  DWilliamsamh   Aug-29-06 07:36 PM   #117 
                 - Kerry was one of the few publicly supporting Gore's fight  karynnj   Aug-29-06 07:15 PM   #108 
                    - So what? What Gore wanted or didn't want is irrelevant, they carried  greyhound1966   Aug-30-06 02:17 PM   #152 
  - Who do you propose as that mythical savior?  karynnj   Aug-29-06 01:57 PM   #29 
  - I'm sure both Gore and Kerry are exceptionally decent men.  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 02:59 PM   #59 
     - Kerry never waded in the sewer and if you read the congressional record,  blm   Aug-29-06 04:14 PM   #82 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-06 04:52 PM   #86 
           - No she believes in spreading the truth and refuting lies about Dems  politicasista   Aug-29-06 04:56 PM   #87 
           - I'm an anti-corruption, open government Democrat - so that makes me  blm   Aug-29-06 04:59 PM   #89 
           - Wow, that's an insulting post. Just wow. nt  MH1   Aug-29-06 07:07 PM   #105 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-06 10:07 PM   #137 
              - Let's IGNORE Kerry's actual record of service so we can feel superior to  blm   Aug-30-06 08:20 AM   #141 
                 - How about we just recognize that Too Late John is unproductive  PresidentWar   Aug-30-06 03:07 PM   #155 
                    - I'd say that determination was made by someone else. Everyone knows I can  blm   Aug-31-06 08:14 AM   #174 
                       - Changing the subject won't help you, blm  PresidentWar   Aug-31-06 04:26 PM   #185 
                          - You whined, I replied. Your PREMISE is crap. AFTER the vote is too late  blm   Aug-31-06 07:57 PM   #191 
                             - Nice ad hom, but lets look at the facts instead....  PresidentWar   Aug-31-06 08:15 PM   #196 
                                - You want a civics course in how elections work and who is responsible for  blm   Aug-31-06 08:23 PM   #201 
                                - I've read some more of your posts - you attack ALOT of Dems.  blm   Aug-31-06 08:53 PM   #207 
  - Before the election the Kerry campaign acknowledged the  petgoat   Aug-30-06 02:58 PM   #154 
  - Just listening to Gore Vidal on the Randi show and he said it too.  greyhound1966   Aug-30-06 03:32 PM   #159 
  - shouldn't he have contested in 2004 when the rest of us were  samsingh   Aug-29-06 11:50 AM   #11 
  - Agreed. He had the spotlight in 2004.  edwardsfeingold08   Aug-29-06 12:06 PM   #14 
  - Welcome to DU, edwardsfeingold08!  No Surrender   Aug-29-06 12:19 PM   #17 
  - he had the lawyers ready. it was very disappointing  samsingh   Aug-29-06 12:50 PM   #19 
  - There'd be no mystery if people would comprehend what they choose not to.  blm   Sep-01-06 07:07 AM   #209 
  - Welcome indeed.  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 03:09 PM   #65 
  - With NO LEGAL EVIDENCE to continue the contest in court.  blm   Aug-29-06 04:02 PM   #78 
  - It's like the old joke about why I couldn't be a comedian...  PurityOfEssence   Aug-29-06 11:55 AM   #12 
  - That's harsh.  edwardsfeingold08   Aug-29-06 12:08 PM   #15 
  - You are wrong on all accounts. Also, Stevenson's circumstances  wisteria   Aug-29-06 01:09 PM   #21 
  - Please cite specifics  PurityOfEssence   Aug-29-06 01:34 PM   #27 
     - What the hell are you talking about?  TayTay   Aug-29-06 02:03 PM   #31 
  - And the Democrat who has the greatest control of media and can depend  blm   Aug-29-06 01:27 PM   #24 
  - Totally agree...  NotGonnaTakeIt   Aug-29-06 02:05 PM   #34 
     - Kerry is not damaged goods  karynnj   Aug-29-06 02:41 PM   #44 
     - How about Wes Clark? n/t  PegDAC   Aug-29-06 07:07 PM   #106 
        - Don't fall for the poster's bait n/t  politicasista   Aug-29-06 07:30 PM   #111 
  - This pisses me off.  smartvoter   Aug-29-06 12:15 PM   #16 
  - No, it means that he did all he could with the proof he had in front of  wisteria   Aug-29-06 01:18 PM   #22 
  - The problem is the article which implies that Kerry is saying he won  karynnj   Aug-29-06 02:22 PM   #39 
  - Perhaps Sen Kerry could go into the Af Am neighborhoods that were  mod mom   Aug-29-06 12:20 PM   #18 
  - I just don't understand what's the matter with Kerry, with so many  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:09 PM   #36 
  - What people are you talking about? Kerry has a Senate staff like other  karynnj   Aug-29-06 02:34 PM   #42 
     - I'm talking about a leadership that hasn't addressed the  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:46 PM   #46 
        - He didn't walk away - he didn't have proof to fight it  karynnj   Aug-29-06 07:11 PM   #107 
           - I'm not going to criticize John Kerry for speaking out. I'm glad he did.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 08:09 PM   #124 
  - Agree n/t  politicasista   Aug-29-06 08:03 PM   #121 
  - "We promised"  Poiuyt   Aug-29-06 01:31 PM   #26 
  - This was November 3rd  karynnj   Aug-29-06 02:12 PM   #38 
  - I vote "too late John", as well.  Spiffarino   Aug-29-06 01:58 PM   #30 
  - So, have Feingold or Edwards spoken out as much as Kerry  karynnj   Aug-29-06 02:33 PM   #41 
     - Yes, why was Bill Clinton silent in 2004, and why does he remain silent?  flpoljunkie   Aug-29-06 02:50 PM   #50 
     - WTF has Clinton got to do with any of this?  Spiffarino   Aug-29-06 03:11 PM   #67 
     - When I mentioned Clinton, it was because he had the biggest voice  karynnj   Aug-29-06 07:26 PM   #110 
     - Bill Clinton works for Clinton... Hillary Clinton  LibraLiz1973   Aug-29-06 09:21 PM   #127 
     - Actually there is SOUND REASON to bring Clinton into it - He oversaw the  blm   Aug-30-06 08:29 AM   #143 
        - Thanks for responding, blm. Excellent points, as usual!  flpoljunkie   Aug-31-06 12:19 PM   #178 
     - It's all politics...  ManWroteTheBible   Aug-29-06 09:39 PM   #131 
     - You solidly missed the point  Spiffarino   Aug-29-06 03:03 PM   #62 
        - That's nonsense!  ProSense   Aug-29-06 03:13 PM   #68 
        - He needed ELECTION LAWYERS to question the validity and none  blm   Aug-31-06 04:03 PM   #181 
  - A day late and a dollar short  depakid   Aug-29-06 02:03 PM   #32 
  - Gee John, thanks for the heads up on that whole election fraud  Nebulous Abstraction   Aug-29-06 02:04 PM   #33 
  - Kerry came to the same conclusion then too  karynnj   Aug-29-06 02:28 PM   #40 
  - I know  DUBYASCREWEDUS   Aug-29-06 02:10 PM   #37 
  - We need ALL dems on this issue.  politicasista   Aug-29-06 02:40 PM   #43 
  - and this is what important right now.  BlueCentrist   Aug-29-06 02:45 PM   #45 
  - He made mistakes, but he is learning from them  politicasista   Aug-29-06 02:47 PM   #47 
     - Good that he learned from them- now he can apply that knowledge to a new  LibraLiz1973   Aug-29-06 09:22 PM   #128 
  - Right!!  ladym55   Aug-29-06 10:03 PM   #135 
  - Uh oh.  neuvocat   Aug-29-06 02:47 PM   #48 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-06 02:50 PM   #51 
  - Wow! That's a lot of  ProSense   Aug-29-06 03:02 PM   #61 
  - I understand your rage  DemEtienne   Aug-29-06 03:10 PM   #66 
  - To all y'all who are taking this as an opportunity to bash kerry ...  redqueen   Aug-29-06 02:55 PM   #53 
  - It's ok  politicasista   Aug-29-06 02:56 PM   #55 
  - Hey Redqueen  mongo   Aug-29-06 03:19 PM   #70 
     - You tell them it mattered, it still matters, and it always will matter.  MH1   Aug-29-06 07:35 PM   #115 
     - Wouldn't the head of the Ohio Democratic Party be a far better  karynnj   Aug-29-06 07:46 PM   #119 
     - You tell them that you NEVER GIVE UP, that's what.  redqueen   Aug-30-06 11:43 AM   #147 
        - I hear you too  mongo   Aug-30-06 12:37 PM   #149 
           - The hour is getting late, indeed...  redqueen   Aug-30-06 04:44 PM   #161 
              - Yeah but you wouldn't believe  mongo   Aug-31-06 10:52 AM   #175 
                 - I always forget how freaking stupid they are.  redqueen   Aug-31-06 11:35 AM   #176 
  - Good Ol' John, late to the party as always  PresidentWar   Aug-29-06 03:22 PM   #72 
  - Why bother to slam him then, if he's so irrelevant?  ginnyinWI   Aug-29-06 03:27 PM   #74 
  - Because we need better.  PresidentWar   Aug-29-06 07:34 PM   #113 
  - What Democrats HAVE been leading the party on election fraud issue?  blm   Aug-29-06 05:06 PM   #90 
     - Before or AFTER it was even relevent and needed?  PresidentWar   Aug-29-06 09:22 PM   #129 
        - Did the GOPs steal the election on Nov 2, or did they work at it for 4yrs?  blm   Aug-30-06 09:28 AM   #146 
           - Did Too Late John fight election fraud WHEN it happened  PresidentWar   Aug-30-06 03:09 PM   #157 
              - Kerry's been speaking out about election fraud since Jan2005 when more  blm   Aug-30-06 08:57 PM   #168 
                 - Did Too Late John fight election fraud WHEN it happened, blm?  PresidentWar   Aug-31-06 04:28 PM   #186 
                    - WHEN it happened was the duty of the Dem party infrastructure. Democratic  blm   Aug-31-06 05:15 PM   #187 
                       - Ahh, so help Too Late John duck the blame!  PresidentWar   Aug-31-06 08:12 PM   #195 
                          - You see facts as something to avoid. You are NOT a machine fraud expert  blm   Aug-31-06 08:40 PM   #206 
  - Nice spin, assholes  LittleClarkie   Aug-29-06 04:04 PM   #79 
  - yes  savemefromdumbya   Aug-31-06 08:21 PM   #200 
  - as I heard Mark Crispin Miller say a few weeks ago...  LSK   Aug-29-06 04:10 PM   #81 
  - That is conjecture  karynnj   Aug-29-06 07:35 PM   #114 
  - If that's it, then I feel safer that SOMEONE woke up & smelled the fascism  blm   Aug-31-06 04:13 PM   #184 
  - Anyone care to comment?  ProSense   Aug-29-06 04:18 PM   #83 
  - Ever hear of too little too late?  DWilliamsamh   Aug-29-06 05:39 PM   #91 
  - Tell me about the battles that brave others have taken on through  blm   Aug-29-06 07:02 PM   #102 
     - I was waiting for that question...  DWilliamsamh   Aug-29-06 07:32 PM   #112 
        - I would say they are very good, but still behind in the REALLY STICK YOUR  blm   Aug-30-06 09:04 AM   #145 
  - A little late w/ the barn door John.  Botany   Aug-29-06 06:16 PM   #95 
  - Why don't you target Dems that are silent  politicasista   Aug-29-06 06:17 PM   #97 
  - I live in Columbus, OH  Botany   Aug-29-06 06:57 PM   #101 
  - Would you say the same if Gore repeatedly warned of election fraud c2002?  blm   Aug-29-06 07:04 PM   #103 
     - No... because Gore actually faught until the Supremes stepped in.  DWilliamsamh   Aug-29-06 07:41 PM   #118 
        - Not exactly how it happened!  ProSense   Aug-29-06 08:08 PM   #123 
           - But Kerry had the reports of irregularities.  DWilliamsamh   Aug-29-06 08:52 PM   #125 
              - That's not accurate!  ProSense   Aug-29-06 09:19 PM   #126 
                 - Thanks.... I appreciate the citations.... I concede the point  DWilliamsamh   Aug-29-06 09:52 PM   #134 
  - Give them hell Senator-give them hell! /nt  nam78_two   Aug-29-06 06:17 PM   #96 
  - WAy too late John, you lost your presidency and showed you  Selteri   Aug-29-06 07:17 PM   #109 
  - BRAVO.  PresidentWar   Aug-29-06 07:36 PM   #116 
  - Change your bong water, dude...  zulchzulu   Aug-29-06 09:24 PM   #130 
     - When he had the opportunity to get elected the first time he proved  Selteri   Aug-31-06 03:55 PM   #180 
        - Great post. Spot on.  PresidentWar   Aug-31-06 08:16 PM   #197 
  - Never too late to bring public attention to electrion fraud happening NOW.  McCamy Taylor   Aug-29-06 08:00 PM   #120 
  - Sure, but don't expect people to....  PresidentWar   Aug-29-06 09:41 PM   #132 
     - Read what John Conyers said about Kerry's efforts...  zulchzulu   Aug-29-06 09:46 PM   #133 
        - With all due respect to Conyers,  PresidentWar   Aug-29-06 10:14 PM   #138 
           - Actually, Kerry took the longest time to concede in any recent election...  vcotts   Aug-30-06 01:39 AM   #139 
           - LOL, that's some consolation!  PresidentWar   Aug-30-06 03:10 PM   #158 
           - Welcome to DU!  zulchzulu   Aug-30-06 06:31 PM   #164 
           - Perhaps Kerry should have transformed into friggin' Godzilla on Nov. 3  zulchzulu   Aug-30-06 06:28 PM   #163 
  - IF ONLY JOHN KERRY HUNG OUT AT DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND!  undeterred   Aug-29-06 10:05 PM   #136 
  - If I'm not mistaken...  laundry_queen   Aug-30-06 01:46 AM   #140 
  - He's been saying most of this since Jan2005 and has been adding details as  blm   Aug-30-06 08:33 AM   #144 
  - Well it's about damn time!  lonestarnot   Aug-30-06 08:27 AM   #142 
  - Ohio Voting  GusConsultore   Aug-30-06 12:23 PM   #148 
  - Rip Van Kerry just woke up, eh? Talk about day late, dollar short!  FighttheFuture   Aug-30-06 07:22 PM   #167 
  - He's been saying this since Jan 2005 - many times - even on senate floor  blm   Aug-31-06 04:05 PM   #182 
     - BFD! When he had the chance, on $election night, to stand up, he  FighttheFuture   Aug-31-06 07:24 PM   #189 
        - Where did you get that FAIRY TALE? It was the Dem team of ELECTION LAWYERS  blm   Aug-31-06 08:12 PM   #194 
           - Hup - see?? PASS THE BUCK...  PresidentWar   Aug-31-06 08:18 PM   #198 
              - HAHAH - by your standard, Bush ran a great campaign, and beat Kerry in  blm   Aug-31-06 08:29 PM   #203 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-06 10:17 PM   #169 
  - You blew it in three posts  magellan   Aug-31-06 05:05 AM   #172 
  - Why in the world should Kerry pursue this any farther?  bling bling   Aug-31-06 03:31 AM   #171 
  - Best post of the day - too many check their common sense at the door.  blm   Aug-31-06 04:07 PM   #183 
  - Too Little too late!  demo dutch   Aug-31-06 12:26 PM   #179 
  - Kerry is the BEST at doing the right thing too late  CollegeDUer   Aug-31-06 05:16 PM   #188 
  - Well put!!!  FighttheFuture   Aug-31-06 07:25 PM   #190 
  - If you believe that, PROVE IT - use the congressional record.  blm   Aug-31-06 07:59 PM   #193 
  - Prove it. Use his record and prove what you claim. I say you're no student  blm   Aug-31-06 07:58 PM   #192 
  - It's unreal to watch anyone defend THAT characteristic of John  PresidentWar   Aug-31-06 08:20 PM   #199 
     - Yeah - only people who have READ the congressional record defend Kerry.  blm   Aug-31-06 08:35 PM   #204 
        - National Security Archives  GodHelpUsAll2   Aug-31-06 10:06 PM   #208 
           - Not a chance - the BFEE loathes the very existence of the NSA. It's a  blm   Sep-01-06 09:19 AM   #210 
  - but wait a minute, the general public don't know anytihg about this fraud  savemefromdumbya   Aug-31-06 08:23 PM   #202 
  - I Want To Post Here... But I Think It Needs To Be Brief So As Not. To  ChiciB1   Aug-31-06 08:40 PM   #205 
 

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