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138. Where's fining the employers, who are directly causing this problem? It's
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 01:55 PM by LaPera
sounding like Bush & the republicans here... that it's everyone else fault, except, the people causing the problem DIRECTLY... It is the greedy employers fault, as well as the greedy corporations & businesses who hire them...That where the blame should lie and absolutely and directly they are causing the problems, all for for cheap labor, to break unions and to keep wages low for all of us peasants, to increase their profit margin!!!!

Until the employers are heavily fined over and over again until it's not profitable anymore for them and they face jail time, (which Bush & the republican will never allow) until then the problem will NEVER be solved.
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  -Illegal immigration poll. Wcross  Aug-29-06 09:49 AM   #0 
  - There must be peace in the middle east  treestar   Aug-29-06 09:56 AM   #1 
  - I'm convinced the two issues are related.  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-29-06 10:16 AM   #4 
  - Enforce the damn laws  Warpy   Aug-29-06 09:59 AM   #2 
  - I'd be in favor of deporting  Gormy Cuss   Aug-29-06 11:28 AM   #41 
  - You have to come from somewhere  michreject   Aug-29-06 11:37 AM   #55 
     - I was being facetious.  Gormy Cuss   Aug-29-06 11:40 AM   #65 
  - Will said!!!  TriMetFan   Aug-29-06 11:42 AM   #67 
  - Yay! Another immigrant bashing thread!  Xeric   Aug-29-06 10:01 AM   #3 
  - you aren't kidding.  antifaschits   Aug-29-06 10:25 AM   #7 
  - Nobody's bashing immigrants. This thread is about  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 10:45 AM   #11 
  - It is about bashing immigrants  Xeric   Aug-29-06 11:07 AM   #20 
  - I absolutely do blame the Republicans...  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 11:15 AM   #24 
  - the "ellis island" gambit is pure, unmitigated bullshit  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:14 AM   #23 
  - Doesn't matter whether my analogy says anything..  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 11:20 AM   #31 
  - IT DOES MATTER  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:23 AM   #35 
  - So you think I'm simply a racist?  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 11:30 AM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-06 11:32 AM   #47 
     - OH! Ok!  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 11:35 AM   #53 
        - you have to compete?  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:37 AM   #58 
           - If you will go back and read my post., I said  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 12:05 PM   #84 
              - work offshore  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 12:07 PM   #85 
              - You have absolutely no sympathy for  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 12:09 PM   #87 
                 - sympathy is in the dictionary between sex and syphilis somewhere  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 12:12 PM   #89 
                    - and empathy no longer exists.  antifaschits   Aug-29-06 03:54 PM   #190 
                       - i can empathize  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 03:59 PM   #193 
                          - i hear ya.  antifaschits   Aug-29-06 05:02 PM   #204 
              - So your beef is with immigrants, "legal or otherwise".  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:11 PM   #88 
                 - As I said before...  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 12:17 PM   #90 
                    - But you describe a physical reaction when you see them at job sites.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:33 PM   #95 
                       - Apparently, you would rather see this American  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 12:50 PM   #104 
                          - God forbid you should feel the same hunger as "those people".  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:54 PM   #106 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-06 12:56 PM   #108 
                                - No, I'm a very good reader, hermanito. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:58 PM   #110 
  - It's the brown people meme!  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 03:02 PM   #175 
  - So let them starve then  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 02:35 PM   #170 
  - exactly what i was going to state.  antifaschits   Aug-29-06 11:59 AM   #80 
  - Demonizing the immigrants doesn't help your case  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 11:16 AM   #25 
  - ...  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 11:32 AM   #48 
     - I would argue that you are demonizing them  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 02:28 PM   #166 
  - 24 year superintendent?  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:17 AM   #27 
  - The difference is  FILAM23   Aug-29-06 11:18 AM   #30 
     - yes and the laws your ancestors followed posed NO REAL  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:20 AM   #32 
     - The laws didn't discriminate against your ancestors,  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 11:24 AM   #37 
        - Do you have any links for that?  quantessd   Aug-29-06 01:37 PM   #140 
           - I work with Hispanic immigrants  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 02:32 PM   #167 
  - LOL I just posted the same reply  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 10:34 AM   #10 
  - Penalize the employers who hire illegals and FIX the damn system...  Triana   Aug-29-06 10:19 AM   #5 
  - This is exactly the point, which is why they refuse to talk about it.  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 01:34 PM   #136 
     - Damn right. Those who stand to benefit most from the 'status-quo'...  Triana   Aug-29-06 04:08 PM   #198 
  - Annex Mexico.  SheilaT   Aug-29-06 10:25 AM   #6 
  - I'm don't think the Mexican would want that.  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 01:52 PM   #150 
     - How silly of them.  SheilaT   Aug-29-06 03:56 PM   #191 
  - Nothing with roundups of people, ever  Jed Dilligan   Aug-29-06 10:32 AM   #8 
  - Oh goodie  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 10:33 AM   #9 
  - Do you have a job, and if so  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 10:46 AM   #12 
     - And what would be the reason for that question?  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 11:12 AM   #22 
        - I was just curious as to whether or not  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 11:38 AM   #60 
           - You are listening to the talking points  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 02:22 PM   #163 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-06 10:51 AM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-06 11:22 AM   #33 
  - Funny how you assume that no one in Boston is complaining about the  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 11:39 AM   #62 
     - That's simply untrue. Where unions make common cause with  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 11:41 AM   #66 
        - Is there something about the concept of supply and demand that eludes  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 12:18 PM   #91 
           - Yes, it sucks a little less than the pie in the sky solutions  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:35 PM   #96 
              - I've made no pie-in-the-sky suggestions, in fact quite the opposite.  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 01:12 PM   #120 
                 - That's would be a negative. No.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:21 PM   #125 
                    - Which has exactly what to do with illegal economic refugees? n/t  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 01:30 PM   #131 
                       - You mean, illegal hunger?  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:32 PM   #135 
                          - The problem is that we are both right.  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 02:14 PM   #161 
                             - Exactly. And the political class doesn't want to get near  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:23 PM   #164 
  - You know what's pitiful? That YOU don't understand poverty,  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 11:34 AM   #50 
     - poverty, hunger, and need so desperate  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:35 AM   #54 
        - All true, but the simple fact is that there are about 5 billion people  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 12:26 PM   #92 
           - Undocumented workers aren't destroying your standard of living.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:39 PM   #99 
              - Insofar as they are one of the tools used by the corporatists,  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 01:26 PM   #128 
                 - By the same logic, we should deport ourselves.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:28 PM   #130 
                    - I'd say there is an argument for deporting our ancestors if they came here  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 01:49 PM   #148 
                       - That's right. Hell for everyone involved and getting worse quickly. nt  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:52 PM   #149 
  - No serious legislator has proposed amnesty  sandnsea   Aug-29-06 10:51 AM   #14 
  - Amnesty was granted in the past so it is an option.  Wcross   Aug-29-06 10:55 AM   #17 
     - A 10 year path is not amnesty  sandnsea   Aug-29-06 11:34 AM   #52 
        - true - it becomes a slave labor system, or a caste system  antifaschits   Aug-29-06 01:56 PM   #153 
           - That's the biggest danger  sandnsea   Aug-29-06 02:06 PM   #158 
              - this danger is so real, and so present today, that  antifaschits   Aug-29-06 02:27 PM   #165 
  - The Authoritarians of DU out in force I see  CollegeDUer   Aug-29-06 10:52 AM   #15 
  - Excuse me?  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 10:54 AM   #16 
  - Has there ever been an enforced legal border?  CollegeDUer   Aug-29-06 10:56 AM   #18 
  - "a border that has never existed"  impeachdubya   Aug-29-06 11:46 AM   #71 
  - You got it. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 11:57 AM   #79 
  - About 500 people die each year trying to cross the border  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 11:03 AM   #19 
  - Great post!  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 11:17 AM   #28 
  - Will said my fellow Oregonian.  TriMetFan   Aug-29-06 11:57 AM   #78 
  - YAY!! Tomatoes at $12/pound!  matcom   Aug-29-06 11:11 AM   #21 
  - Exactly! Then we would have more people going hungry, not less  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 11:16 AM   #26 
  - bingo  matcom   Aug-29-06 11:18 AM   #29 
  - Yes!!  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 11:23 AM   #34 
  - Wrong!  Elwood P Dowd   Aug-29-06 11:31 AM   #46 
  - And the wages of enough workers would increase  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 03:09 PM   #177 
  - Bullshit. Only about 3% of the cost of produce is wages for farm workers!  TahitiNut   Aug-29-06 11:34 AM   #51 
  - not bullshit at all  matcom   Aug-29-06 11:38 AM   #59 
  - Bullshit confabulation.  TahitiNut   Aug-29-06 11:49 AM   #74 
     - Again how is it exploitation if they want the jobs?  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 11:56 AM   #76 
  - Isn't that his point? Illegal Immigrants do it now, thats why it only  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 11:49 AM   #75 
     - That's not how it works  Elwood P Dowd   Aug-29-06 11:56 AM   #77 
        - Even if the price went up a little bit, people would still buy the cheaper  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 12:09 PM   #86 
           - Using your logic, then we should just import slaves  Elwood P Dowd   Aug-29-06 12:26 PM   #93 
           - People should be free to choose where they want to work,  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 12:40 PM   #100 
           - We are importing slaves  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 03:11 PM   #178 
              - Importing slaves? Don't they come here of their own free will?  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 04:11 PM   #199 
                 - Being forced here by globalization is NOT coming of their own  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 04:18 PM   #201 
                    - Wouldn't you want a job that increased your pay 10x?  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 04:30 PM   #202 
           - Not for produce, which is better fresh.  mccoyn   Aug-29-06 03:42 PM   #189 
              - People are buyin more and more foriegn produce including lettuce  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 04:04 PM   #196 
  - Why do you constantly repeat reich-wing bullshit?  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 02:43 PM   #173 
  - Another thread bashing poor people.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 11:23 AM   #36 
  - kicked and recommended  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:24 AM   #38 
  - I thought we got passed this crap  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 11:25 AM   #39 
  - Close the border, remove all illegals...  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 11:27 AM   #40 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-06 11:28 AM   #43 
  - That one went right over my head.  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 11:30 AM   #44 
     - close the border  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:33 AM   #49 
     - Please forgive me for wanting to see our laws enforced.  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 11:37 AM   #57 
        - Yes! Let's start with the laws against hungry people!  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 11:39 AM   #63 
        - A lot of American citizens are hungry too,  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 11:45 AM   #70 
           - That's because you're looking in the wrong direction.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 11:48 AM   #73 
              - I keep noticing that no one mentions "brown people" but those who  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 03:15 PM   #180 
                 - Is projection a progressive strategy?  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 03:26 PM   #185 
                 - Projection? That's amusing. nt  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 03:28 PM   #186 
                 - did you ever consider that some of us are brown people  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 03:33 PM   #188 
                    - Let me re-emphasize  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 03:56 PM   #192 
                       - what carries more weight with you,  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 04:03 PM   #195 
                       - Where we differ, I think, is in the definition of "a decent living"  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 04:15 PM   #200 
                       - that's fine too  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 04:07 PM   #197 
                       - Actually, I don't use that term to quash debate but to counter  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 06:15 PM   #208 
        - fuck immigration laws  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 11:39 AM   #64 
        - Then lobby to change the law.  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 11:44 AM   #69 
           - Ignoring a nonproblem is generally wise.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 11:47 AM   #72 
           - If Democrats continue to ignore or downplay the issue...  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 08:06 PM   #211 
           - yes, let me get my billions of dollars  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 12:03 PM   #82 
        - Yeah, let's enforce ALL our laws.  High Plains   Aug-29-06 12:32 PM   #94 
           - That's right. The present system puts lives at risk and only  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:37 PM   #97 
     - S/he is calling you a Nazi.  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 03:14 PM   #179 
        - espousing mass deportation/arrest/confinement WHATEVER  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 03:18 PM   #182 
           - But calling a DU'er a Nazi isn't? nt  mycritters2   Aug-29-06 03:19 PM   #183 
              - i did not specifically call that person that  datasuspect   Aug-29-06 03:21 PM   #184 
                 - Protecting our borders...  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 08:01 PM   #209 
  - How is it taking advantage of them if they want those jobs?  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 11:37 AM   #56 
     - I would rather see Americans paid a living wage...  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 11:39 AM   #61 
        - People go where there is to be money made  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 12:04 PM   #83 
           - Illegal immigrants seeking employment in the US...  NaturalHigh   Aug-29-06 08:03 PM   #210 
  - Other. None of the options presented will do one thing to fix the problem  greyhound1966   Aug-29-06 11:28 AM   #42 
  - Funny, I was looking for "go after the companies that hire illegals"  impeachdubya   Aug-29-06 11:42 AM   #68 
  - Exactly  oldcoot   Aug-29-06 01:03 PM   #113 
  - Is it really illegal immigration that's bothering you or  Cleita   Aug-29-06 11:59 AM   #81 
  - Funny that other nations don't have a problem sealing a border  jerry611   Aug-29-06 12:37 PM   #98 
     - But, those workers PAY for healthcare and education.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:43 PM   #102 
        - It has nothing to do with legal immigrants  jerry611   Aug-29-06 12:56 PM   #107 
           - Woo hoo! My people seem to be winning one.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:00 PM   #112 
  - Close the border and remove the illegal europeans  Theodolite   Aug-29-06 12:43 PM   #101 
  - Welcome to DU, Theodolite. We usually do better than this.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 12:53 PM   #105 
  - TY  Theodolite   Aug-29-06 01:04 PM   #114 
     - This is a big board and it reflects every level of thoughtfulness  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:08 PM   #117 
  - Grow up!  jerry611   Aug-29-06 12:57 PM   #109 
     - Seems your argument is the childish one.  Cleita   Aug-29-06 12:58 PM   #111 
     - I never said anything about legal immigrants  jerry611   Aug-29-06 01:06 PM   #115 
     - It's not about economics, undocumented workers pull more  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:12 PM   #119 
     - ...  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 01:19 PM   #124 
     - It's a term of endearment, Duer, not an insult. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:25 PM   #127 
        - I just asked my wife, the former wife of a Mexican man...  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 01:32 PM   #134 
           - LOL! Your poll suffers from small sampling. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:35 PM   #137 
              - Small sample maybe...but so far, it's 4 of us and 1 of you...  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 01:38 PM   #141 
                 - Yeah, I'm going to insult my own people.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:43 PM   #144 
                    - That's what I was looking for.  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 01:45 PM   #146 
                       - It's all over the thread and all over the LATINO forum.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:53 PM   #151 
                          - So, I can call your people "Jalapenos" without being viewed  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 01:55 PM   #152 
                             - I think your slip is showing, Texas Explorer. Now, explain to me  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:58 PM   #154 
                                - Yes, I do...I embrace them. But, you didn't answer the question.  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 02:00 PM   #156 
                                   - I have no idea why you'd want to use a term of endearment  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:13 PM   #160 
                                      - "Hispanic" or "Latino" is sufficient for me, thanks.  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 02:33 PM   #169 
                                         - I don't have to "try" to make this about race. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:36 PM   #171 
     - The studies don't show that they carry their weight...  jerry611   Aug-29-06 01:31 PM   #132 
        - This $90K number has been debunked over and over and over here  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:37 PM   #139 
        - Since you seem to have a lot facts with no links to back them,  Cleita   Aug-29-06 01:40 PM   #142 
        - Baloney!  proud2Blib   Aug-29-06 03:31 PM   #187 
           - So how much do illegals cost each of us, then?  NaturalHigh   Aug-30-06 11:17 AM   #212 
     - There is a problem with illegals from Europe and Asia. There  Cleita   Aug-29-06 01:23 PM   #126 
     - Your statement implies that you came here from another  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 01:10 PM   #118 
        - I was born in a foreign country but I entered this country  Cleita   Aug-29-06 01:27 PM   #129 
           - I've seen the very same sentiment towards my  Texas Explorer   Aug-29-06 01:44 PM   #145 
     - Forced Removal is the childish argument  Theodolite   Aug-29-06 01:18 PM   #123 
        - Closing the border is the first step  jerry611   Aug-29-06 01:42 PM   #143 
  - Aren't workers still competing with cheaper labor if the border is closed?  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 12:49 PM   #103 
  - Where's fining the employers who are directly causing this problem? You  LaPera   Aug-29-06 01:06 PM   #116 
  - If we had a living wage, then English speaking American  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 01:15 PM   #122 
  - Grant amnesty, provide a guest worker program, and ease immigratrion laws.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-29-06 01:15 PM   #121 
  - A sensible solution that would work to the benefit of all but  Cleita   Aug-29-06 01:58 PM   #155 
  - Punish HARD the companies that hire them.  helderheid   Aug-29-06 01:31 PM   #133 
  - Why would you want to punish business owners who offer jobs  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 01:46 PM   #147 
     - We don't have an illegal immigration problem. We have an illegal employer  helderheid   Aug-29-06 02:39 PM   #172 
        - I usually agree with Thom but can't here.  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:54 PM   #174 
        - Interesting read, Here is some of my beliefs on the subject.  OregonDem   Aug-29-06 03:16 PM   #181 
  - Where's fining the employers, who are directly causing this problem? It's  LaPera   Aug-29-06 01:37 PM   #138 
  - I agree, this post is sounding like a "lynch 'em up now" mob-While not  GreenTea   Aug-29-06 02:01 PM   #157 
     - This whole thing sounds a bit racist....  LaPera   Aug-29-06 02:12 PM   #159 
        - The Thuggery wants to pit us against each other so they  sfexpat2000   Aug-29-06 02:33 PM   #168 
           - Has EVERYONE read this "sfexpat2000" post before fucking attacking?  LaPera   Aug-29-06 03:08 PM   #176 
  - and what exactly makes someone "deserving", anyway?  ComerPerro   Aug-29-06 02:14 PM   #162 
  - Am I still at DU?? This poll seems right out of the GOP playbook  LSK   Aug-29-06 04:00 PM   #194 
  - Isn't border security and employment a democratic issue?  The Jacobin   Aug-29-06 05:20 PM   #207 
  - As long as poverty exists in Mexico, we'll have this problem.  meldroc   Aug-29-06 04:30 PM   #203 
  - We should bust the companies  NC_Nurse   Aug-29-06 05:09 PM   #205 
  - Close the border: Meaning  The Jacobin   Aug-29-06 05:17 PM   #206 
  - Voted Close Border, Grant Amnesty  loindelrio   Aug-30-06 11:33 AM   #213 
 

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