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Response to Reply #157
160. No.
They simply enter it into the computer and the next time Blue90 gets pulled over he gets a free ride to jail.
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  -wonderfull / Red light traffic camera ticket blues90  Aug-21-06 05:58 PM   #0 
  - It's a traffic ticket, not the end of America as we know it.  missb   Aug-21-06 06:02 PM   #1 
  - No , it is an step to big brother  blues90   Aug-21-06 06:08 PM   #4 
     - You weren't able to clear the intersection before the light  missb   Aug-21-06 06:15 PM   #9 
     - Stop at yellow would be the correct thing to do, but four years  raccoon   Aug-22-06 09:28 AM   #100 
     - And the person doing the rear ending would be at fault.  missb   Aug-22-06 09:35 AM   #101 
        - But I'm the one stuck with the back problem. nt  raccoon   Aug-22-06 09:58 AM   #111 
     - I thought the rule was that if you enter on the yellow then you are good  treestar   Aug-22-06 10:42 AM   #119 
        - If you enter on the green, you're good.  missb   Aug-22-06 10:58 AM   #129 
           - Maybe it depends on the state  treestar   Aug-22-06 11:40 AM   #145 
           - I think it is an informal rule.  missb   Aug-22-06 11:47 AM   #149 
           - OK to enter on yellow in IL  AngryAmish   Aug-22-06 12:41 PM   #187 
     - You'd rather...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-21-06 06:17 PM   #10 
  - Hey.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-21-06 06:04 PM   #2 
  - Sounds like good advice to me  proud2Blib   Aug-22-06 06:47 AM   #83 
  - So let me get this straight  lgn19087   Aug-21-06 06:05 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-06 06:13 PM   #7 
  - Excellent  lgn19087   Aug-21-06 06:20 PM   #13 
     - "Thousands of people every year pay their tickets -many of whom are...  greyhound1966   Aug-22-06 12:29 PM   #179 
  - UM, I think the poster is saying he is the victim of a short yellow light.  Kingshakabobo   Aug-21-06 06:14 PM   #8 
  - I agree with blues90..  Reckon   Aug-21-06 08:07 PM   #35 
     - How is a traffic ticket for running a light unjust?  LostinVA   Aug-21-06 08:15 PM   #38 
        - Read..  Reckon   Aug-21-06 08:29 PM   #42 
           - What are remote traffic light changers?  midnight   Aug-22-06 10:30 AM   #115 
  - I had a judge explain, in so many words, that they can't reduce fines  villager   Aug-21-06 06:09 PM   #5 
  - You are right  blues90   Aug-21-06 06:23 PM   #15 
     - reminds me of Captain Kirk's court martial  hfojvt   Aug-22-06 01:28 AM   #60 
  - Wah Wah!!!!!!!!!! I ran a red light and got caught  meisje   Aug-21-06 06:12 PM   #6 
  - the yellow light was timed short, making it impossible to pass  bigtree   Aug-22-06 08:44 AM   #89 
  - I used to be against the cameras until the red light runners became so  Sapere aude   Aug-21-06 06:18 PM   #11 
  - yes  shanti   Aug-21-06 06:31 PM   #18 
  - Thank you  michreject   Aug-21-06 08:12 PM   #36 
  - I always pause a second before starting across at a green light  LostinVA   Aug-21-06 08:16 PM   #39 
  - After a light turns green, look both ways.  Blue in Portland   Aug-21-06 10:09 PM   #46 
  - Me too  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 06:17 AM   #77 
  - Yeah, pausing saved my vehicle (and maybe my life)  missb   Aug-22-06 09:39 AM   #105 
  - It's VERY sad and it causes traffic backups  TheFriedPiper   Aug-22-06 09:24 AM   #97 
  - I'm not the one that needs any training  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 10:39 AM   #117 
     - I look before I go, don't ASSume  TheFriedPiper   Aug-22-06 11:59 AM   #158 
  - Sad, but a good idea  mycritters2   Aug-22-06 10:56 AM   #128 
  - but what does green mean?  hfojvt   Aug-22-06 01:36 AM   #61 
  - Anybody remember the movie Starman W/ Jeff Bridges?  michreject   Aug-22-06 08:55 AM   #91 
     - Driving faster would have saved this ticket  TheFriedPiper   Aug-22-06 09:39 AM   #104 
        - Give me a freaking break  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 10:40 AM   #118 
        - so you think 5mph in a 35mph is not dangerous?  TheFriedPiper   Aug-22-06 12:08 PM   #163 
        - How dare you question him!  Medium Baby Jesus   Aug-22-06 06:18 PM   #219 
        - That's a whole nuther bitch  michreject   Aug-22-06 10:50 AM   #125 
  - Great post -- I'm with you 100% on every word  LostinVA   Aug-21-06 08:13 PM   #37 
  - I used to be against red-light cameras, too...  Sapphocrat   Aug-21-06 10:22 PM   #47 
  - The worst offenders in my city are the cops  Nobody   Aug-23-06 06:56 AM   #239 
  - People have been killed by drivers running red lights.  tandot   Aug-21-06 06:20 PM   #12 
  - Exactly  lgn19087   Aug-21-06 06:22 PM   #14 
  - And people have been killed stopping at yellow lights. What's  greyhound1966   Aug-22-06 12:30 PM   #180 
     - The people stopping at yellow lights are at least obeying the law.  mccoyn   Aug-22-06 01:34 PM   #201 
     - They're just as dead, if you asked them I'm sure they'd tell you they wish  greyhound1966   Aug-22-06 01:57 PM   #203 
        - Its the same issue.  mccoyn   Aug-22-06 02:09 PM   #207 
           - I don't think anybody has suggested excusing anything, The issue is the  greyhound1966   Aug-22-06 02:31 PM   #211 
     - Great. Lets just all ignore any yellow/red lights if it doesn't matter  tandot   Aug-22-06 02:17 PM   #208 
     - My point is that there is a reason they are called accidents, and no  greyhound1966   Aug-22-06 02:25 PM   #210 
     - every time I've run a *nearly* red light  Truth Hurts A Lot   Aug-22-06 07:44 PM   #225 
  - You got a nudge and reminder of what a nightmare the courts  The_Casual_Observer   Aug-21-06 06:24 PM   #16 
  - Slow DOES NOT EQUAL SAFE  TheFriedPiper   Aug-22-06 09:26 AM   #99 
     - Then ride your bike or take a bus  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 10:43 AM   #120 
        - Driving at walking pace will impede other drivers  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-22-06 11:53 AM   #152 
  - I live near a busy intersection and I'm amazed  mycritters2   Aug-21-06 06:30 PM   #17 
  - Boston  LifeDuringWartime   Aug-22-06 01:14 PM   #197 
  - Sounds like a pebcac error, they're fairly common.  Wonk   Aug-21-06 06:34 PM   #19 
  - LOL!  Sapphocrat   Aug-21-06 10:24 PM   #48 
  - in this case, maybe not pebcac, but  ComerPerro   Aug-22-06 12:55 AM   #51 
  - sorta looks like you jump right to rule #12  hfojvt   Aug-22-06 01:42 AM   #63 
     - LOL nt  Wonk   Aug-22-06 01:56 AM   #64 
  - You have my sympathy.  RogueBandit   Aug-21-06 06:37 PM   #20 
  - In your town are you warned there is a camera at that intersection?  Sapere aude   Aug-21-06 06:44 PM   #23 
  - Here in AZ, I have never seen a sign to that effect.  tyedyeto   Aug-21-06 08:32 PM   #43 
  - what is this?  hfojvt   Aug-22-06 02:30 AM   #69 
  - People assume that those cameras  Raine   Aug-21-06 06:40 PM   #21 
  - That's what I was told  blues90   Aug-21-06 06:48 PM   #25 
  - What is so difficult to understand  blues90   Aug-21-06 06:41 PM   #22 
  - Here's the thing...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-21-06 06:46 PM   #24 
  - So, are you saying the traffic lights can never be deffective?...  Kingshakabobo   Aug-21-06 07:03 PM   #30 
  - No.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-21-06 07:08 PM   #32 
  - You must live in a low traffic area then  blues90   Aug-22-06 12:56 AM   #53 
  - Fortunately, yes.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 10:53 AM   #127 
  - are we reading the same thread?  hfojvt   Aug-22-06 02:04 AM   #65 
  - Judgmental, are we? nt  raccoon   Aug-22-06 09:37 AM   #103 
  - Do I understand you correctly? You entered a intersection on the green  Sapere aude   Aug-21-06 06:53 PM   #26 
  - "Wait until the camera lights infect your life"  lgn19087   Aug-21-06 06:59 PM   #29 
  - Of course it's not whining  name not needed   Aug-22-06 01:19 AM   #59 
  - Have you seen those license plate lenses that distort the plate?  greguganus   Aug-22-06 10:47 AM   #122 
  - Am I understanding this correctly?  LifeDuringWartime   Aug-22-06 01:17 PM   #198 
  - Can you say revenue enhancement?  alarimer   Aug-21-06 06:56 PM   #27 
  - Those devices are very controversial  Lefty48197   Aug-21-06 06:57 PM   #28 
  - Yep, I've seen this story too.  meldroc   Aug-22-06 11:43 AM   #146 
  - Buy this book  hpot   Aug-21-06 07:08 PM   #31 
  - Unfortunately, in order for most cities to use these devices  Ms. Toad   Aug-22-06 11:02 PM   #235 
  - I live in Hollywood, too. It's very simple:  Shakespeare   Aug-21-06 07:26 PM   #33 
  - Exactly  blues90   Aug-22-06 01:04 AM   #54 
  - If you know turning left will be a problem there, try making 3 rights.  Wonk   Aug-22-06 01:12 AM   #57 
  - But you're not a "sitting duck," and that was my point.  Shakespeare   Aug-22-06 01:38 AM   #62 
  - That would be legal in Michigan.  mccoyn   Aug-22-06 10:47 AM   #124 
     - I got one in Redford for proceeding on a red (that was actually yellow)  noonwitch   Aug-22-06 11:56 AM   #154 
  - I'm sick of almost getting hit by red light runners or drivers wanting  LostinVA   Aug-21-06 08:04 PM   #34 
  - So, you like Big Brother?  tyedyeto   Aug-21-06 08:37 PM   #44 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-22-06 06:22 AM   #78 
  - I'm perplexed  kineta   Aug-21-06 08:23 PM   #40 
  - bummer  sweetheart   Aug-21-06 08:25 PM   #41 
  - I heard about those too.  Telly Savalas   Aug-22-06 08:38 PM   #227 
  - Having been broadsided by a red light runner, I'm all for them.  lectrobyte   Aug-21-06 09:46 PM   #45 
  - Well, Maybe You'll Like My Idea Then.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-21-06 10:32 PM   #49 
  - That sounds like a reasonable idea  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-22-06 09:19 AM   #95 
  - Yellows could have a countdown  Gormy Cuss   Aug-22-06 10:11 AM   #113 
  - I want to address everyone here however  blues90   Aug-22-06 12:43 AM   #50 
  - what are you, sixteen?  ComerPerro   Aug-22-06 12:56 AM   #52 
  - Wreakless divers suck.  Wonk   Aug-22-06 01:07 AM   #55 
  - you just blew your whole argument.  uncle ray   Aug-22-06 02:05 AM   #66 
  - yet so many on DU  hfojvt   Aug-22-06 02:26 AM   #68 
  - What do you want, a sliding scale?  Sapphocrat   Aug-22-06 03:28 AM   #75 
     - hmm, have to respond to this  kineta   Aug-22-06 11:25 AM   #139 
     - I have a remedy for this  mycritters2   Aug-22-06 02:02 PM   #206 
     - I can't argue with that...  Sapphocrat   Aug-22-06 02:24 PM   #209 
        - okay, but why use money as the 'punishment' at all  kineta   Aug-22-06 05:28 PM   #217 
           - It doesn't make anyone a better driver.  Sapphocrat   Aug-22-06 11:32 PM   #236 
     - Traffic fine based on income  Crabby Appleton   Aug-22-06 07:38 PM   #223 
  - If you would read you would see the light was green  blues90   Aug-22-06 10:37 AM   #116 
     - You say you were driving at 5mph  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-22-06 11:55 AM   #153 
  - if you thought you were truly innocent of the charge  don954   Aug-22-06 02:19 AM   #67 
  - in traffic court? you don't have any right to a jury for that  pitohui   Aug-22-06 08:59 PM   #230 
  - So the choice is, get rear-ended or get a ticket.  raccoon   Aug-22-06 09:49 AM   #110 
  - In NYC it's called 'blocking the box'  Snivi Yllom   Aug-22-06 12:08 PM   #162 
  - You have my deepest sympathy. And you are right about accidents  Nikki Stone 1   Aug-22-06 01:07 AM   #56 
  - Which they shouldn't have done -- they rewarded the bad drivers  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 06:39 AM   #80 
     - Where is the worst intersection in VA?  Nikki Stone 1   Aug-22-06 01:32 PM   #200 
  - Okay, I don't care either way about your ticket...  primate1   Aug-22-06 01:14 AM   #58 
  - You're "an" animal.. Ve vill be vatching U...... n/t  Reckon   Aug-22-06 02:37 AM   #70 
  - That's The Only Thing That Tripped Your Meter??  REP   Aug-22-06 02:59 AM   #71 
  - I didn't actually read the whole thing, to be honest...  primate1   Aug-22-06 03:03 AM   #72 
  - Smart Move  REP   Aug-22-06 03:08 AM   #73 
  - I quit at " wonderfull"  likesmountains 52   Aug-22-06 09:43 AM   #107 
  - No kidding  Marie26   Aug-22-06 01:05 PM   #196 
  - I can't understand what "an step" means....  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 06:40 AM   #81 
     - I gave up reading after the first paragraph of the OP  Frank Cannon   Aug-23-06 06:23 AM   #238 
  - If you decide to go to court over this, please let me know.  A-Schwarzenegger   Aug-22-06 03:11 AM   #74 
  - I had one of those red light tickets not too long ago.  RebelOne   Aug-22-06 06:00 AM   #76 
  - Very telling the responses here,  MadHound   Aug-22-06 06:28 AM   #79 
  - There aren't enough cops to "stake lights"  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 06:48 AM   #84 
  - And all the good sheeple go baa, baa, bah bah, baa baa.  MadHound   Aug-22-06 07:29 AM   #85 
  - Hey, why worry if you have nothing to hide?  Kingshakabobo   Aug-22-06 10:53 AM   #126 
  - I'm not seeing the "illegal" and "unconstitutional" part. It's not like  lectrobyte   Aug-22-06 07:51 AM   #87 
  - Let's see here  MadHound   Aug-22-06 08:35 AM   #88 
     - I sense that you are obviously motivated on this issue.  lectrobyte   Aug-22-06 08:51 AM   #90 
        - Interesting suggestions, but I'll go you one better  MadHound   Aug-22-06 09:00 AM   #92 
           - Too funny, I'm debating this with someone who doesn't even  lectrobyte   Aug-22-06 09:13 AM   #93 
              - LOL indeed,  MadHound   Aug-22-06 09:25 AM   #98 
                 - Facts and statistics have a liberal bias. He/she knows what her gut says.  Kingshakabobo   Aug-22-06 11:07 AM   #133 
                 - I'd continue, but you lost me on getting killed when stopping for  lectrobyte   Aug-22-06 11:47 AM   #148 
                 - Yeah, just ignore those stats that I linked to,  MadHound   Aug-23-06 07:39 AM   #242 
                    - OK, you got me. I can't resist hitting "my du" and see if I have  lectrobyte   Aug-23-06 10:01 AM   #243 
                 - and the stats seem to support the fact that while they might  lectrobyte   Aug-23-06 12:13 PM   #245 
                 - Will you drop the slippery slope argument.  mccoyn   Aug-22-06 02:01 PM   #205 
                    - Slippery slope arguments kick ass.  Telly Savalas   Aug-22-06 08:49 PM   #229 
                    - Let me take your words, alter them a bit, and then see  MadHound   Aug-23-06 07:25 AM   #240 
  - Creeping surveillence?  Telly Savalas   Aug-22-06 08:46 PM   #228 
     - Damn, I guess I'm just one of those onery old farts  MadHound   Aug-23-06 07:35 AM   #241 
  - Stop your whining  alcibiades_mystery   Aug-22-06 06:43 AM   #82 
  - What a load of shit coming from someone who thinks it's hip......  Kingshakabobo   Aug-22-06 11:01 AM   #132 
     - LOL  alcibiades_mystery   Aug-22-06 11:09 AM   #134 
        - "You broke the law" Your quote, Mr. Law and Order.  Kingshakabobo   Aug-22-06 11:11 AM   #135 
           - I have a project for you  alcibiades_mystery   Aug-22-06 11:31 AM   #142 
              - Oh, now breaking the law is a game. Gotcha, Mr. Law and Order..  Kingshakabobo   Aug-22-06 12:01 PM   #161 
                 - Blah blah blah  alcibiades_mystery   Aug-22-06 12:23 PM   #174 
  - If the real purpose of these cameras...  Everybody   Aug-22-06 07:42 AM   #86 
  - We have large signs posted before the cams and at the cams in NC. n/t  greguganus   Aug-22-06 09:44 AM   #108 
  - Yellow lights are there to warn people not to run red lights  mycritters2   Aug-22-06 11:11 AM   #136 
  - isn't it the job of the traffic light  onenote   Aug-22-06 11:50 AM   #150 
     - The job of law enforcement is to protect laws  tyedyeto   Aug-22-06 10:21 PM   #232 
        - what happens in the privacy of one's home and on a public street  onenote   Aug-23-06 05:58 AM   #237 
  - Drive faster, that way you'll make it through  TheFriedPiper   Aug-22-06 09:18 AM   #94 
  - No joke - see thread #95  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-22-06 09:22 AM   #96 
  - Figure out this California traffic law regarding yellow lights  greguganus   Aug-22-06 09:36 AM   #102 
  - We have fake intersection cameras here too. Guess they are cheaper n/t  greguganus   Aug-22-06 09:41 AM   #106 
  - It just means that they set the light signal interval  missb   Aug-22-06 09:44 AM   #109 
  - Just ignore the ticket  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 10:04 AM   #112 
  - And I'm sure Lawyer Timmy will give you more shining legal advice  A-Schwarzenegger   Aug-22-06 10:26 AM   #114 
  - I am NOT kidding  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 11:25 AM   #140 
     - Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt.  A-Schwarzenegger   Aug-22-06 11:43 AM   #147 
  - Ignore the ticket and you'll have a bench warrant out on you  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 10:47 AM   #123 
  - Tell me, Perry Mason.......  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 11:30 AM   #141 
  - A judge would issue that warrant.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 11:53 AM   #151 
  - Doesn't matter what you say, you're wrong  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 12:31 PM   #181 
  - okay timothy wendell holmes  onenote   Aug-22-06 01:30 PM   #199 
  - Answer me this......  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 11:58 AM   #157 
     - No.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:01 PM   #160 
  - The problem is  Crabby Appleton   Aug-22-06 11:20 AM   #138 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-22-06 11:34 AM   #143 
  - Wrong yet again, Hamilton Burger  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 12:35 PM   #183 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-22-06 11:39 AM   #144 
  - Ms. Francesca Cisneros believed as you did...  Balbus   Aug-22-06 07:23 PM   #222 
  - I can't even understand this post. nt  Marie26   Aug-22-06 10:44 AM   #121 
  - It's obvious some get it and some don't  blues90   Aug-22-06 10:58 AM   #130 
  - Nah. Most of us know that going through an intersection  missb   Aug-22-06 11:00 AM   #131 
  - So running red lights and putting lives at risk  mycritters2   Aug-22-06 11:14 AM   #137 
  - I don't particularly care where the money ends up.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:00 PM   #159 
  - Why don't you try this  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 12:09 PM   #164 
  - The machine arrests you now?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:11 PM   #166 
     - Hey Bornaginhooligan.....  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 12:15 PM   #167 
        - My goodness me.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:18 PM   #168 
           - You got that right  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 12:23 PM   #173 
              - LOL  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:25 PM   #177 
                 - Are you DENCE or what???????  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 02:54 PM   #213 
                    - "Are you DENCE or what???????"  A-Schwarzenegger   Aug-22-06 04:50 PM   #216 
  - But that is the problem...  WI Independent   Aug-22-06 12:43 PM   #190 
  - Obeying traffic laws does NOT equal giving your rights away  LostinVA   Aug-22-06 12:42 PM   #188 
  - if you want proof of how the cameras save lives, try these  onenote   Aug-22-06 01:50 PM   #202 
  - I am amazed just how stupid some of you are  blues90   Aug-22-06 11:57 AM   #155 
  - LOL.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:11 PM   #165 
  - I hope your not in law enforcement.  mccoyn   Aug-22-06 12:21 PM   #171 
     - LOL.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:24 PM   #175 
  - you got caught in the box  Snivi Yllom   Aug-22-06 12:22 PM   #172 
  - Jeez-us  alcibiades_mystery   Aug-22-06 12:26 PM   #178 
  - "since I got this ticket i stop sharp on all yellow"  Snivi Yllom   Aug-22-06 11:58 AM   #156 
  - A.) California is a police state and has been for decades.  greyhound1966   Aug-22-06 12:19 PM   #169 
  - Photo-Lights and Photo-Speedtraps are fascist  Taverner   Aug-22-06 12:20 PM   #170 
  - Guess what?????  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 12:24 PM   #176 
  - The "Red light" cameras are really just part of the issue  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 12:33 PM   #182 
     - I'd rather have a camera.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:37 PM   #184 
        - Then prepare for........  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 12:38 PM   #185 
        - Did you even read 1984?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:39 PM   #186 
           - Why are you on THIS board??????  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 12:43 PM   #189 
           - Really? I wouldn't know.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 12:46 PM   #191 
              - This has VERY little to do with common crimes......  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 12:59 PM   #193 
                 - It happened in public, right?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-22-06 01:01 PM   #194 
                    - For now.......  Timmy5835   Aug-22-06 02:57 PM   #214 
                    - Have your phones been tapped?  tyedyeto   Aug-22-06 10:26 PM   #234 
           - Have you ever read 1984?  tyedyeto   Aug-22-06 10:23 PM   #233 
        - I understand the point  Taverner   Aug-22-06 03:00 PM   #215 
  - Because we would have to change the name of the country to  greyhound1966   Aug-22-06 12:53 PM   #192 
  - A symtom of a much bigger issue...  WI Independent   Aug-22-06 01:02 PM   #195 
  - This thread reminds me of this:  Marie26   Aug-22-06 01:59 PM   #204 
  - There are ways to defeat them.  Xithras   Aug-22-06 02:48 PM   #212 
  - Please PM me as to where I can buy the spray.  RebelOne   Aug-23-06 10:12 AM   #244 
  - I'm surprised how many on DU are jumping on you  RamboLiberal   Aug-22-06 06:08 PM   #218 
  - Ding ding ding. 32 million dollars! That's the ticket. A tax on the poor.  Kingshakabobo   Aug-22-06 06:27 PM   #220 
     - I'd be all for Progressive Traffic Fines  RamboLiberal   Aug-22-06 06:47 PM   #221 
  - If you don't like red light tickets, then stop running red lights.  BlooInBloo   Aug-22-06 07:44 PM   #224 
     - You are missing something. nt  Kingshakabobo   Aug-22-06 07:46 PM   #226 
     - you're way late to the party  pitohui   Aug-22-06 09:06 PM   #231 
 

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