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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:56 PM
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73. why do you assume the "poor" in question have to be the actors?
these middle class people are outraged in part over the treatment of other muslims by former colonial powers, the US and their Israeli allies.

most suicide bombers (you do consider them to be terrorists?) are poor. To carry out an international plot like the one in the mythical 9-11 bombing story requires that the actors be plausibly in place. It is unlikely that a poor, dislocated Palestinian, for example, would plausibly be in the US to study.

Your argument that since all terrorists are not poor then poverty has no role in international terrorism is illogical.
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  -How would you recommend we stop terrorism? The Straight Story  Aug-10-06 07:22 PM   #0 
  - Funny, we can't even stop US gangs, why  JAYJDF   Aug-10-06 07:24 PM   #1 
  - Live by the golden rule  C_U_L8R   Aug-10-06 07:24 PM   #2 
  - Spot on.  Blackthorn   Aug-10-06 08:00 PM   #82 
     - 99% of the terrorism is fabricated by Western "intelligence" agencies  respublicus   Aug-10-06 08:46 PM   #119 
        - Damn, I want to know what you're smoking.  Odin2005   Aug-10-06 11:12 PM   #143 
  - For starters I wouldn't let them get away with it for FIVE FUCKING  rzemanfl   Aug-10-06 07:25 PM   #3 
  - Stop washing your hair until Bin Laden is caught.  rug   Aug-10-06 07:26 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-10-06 07:28 PM   #5 
  - Did I just warp into  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-10-06 07:31 PM   #8 
  - Regardless, do you think it will work? n/t  fuzzypolitics   Aug-10-06 07:41 PM   #30 
     - How can you see the screen with that hood over your head?  bluerum   Aug-10-06 07:43 PM   #37 
        - I cut holes in the front :)  fuzzypolitics   Aug-10-06 07:44 PM   #41 
           - For a nice person like you - anytime.  bluerum   Aug-10-06 07:47 PM   #49 
           - Wow. That would require opposable thumbs.  sfexpat2000   Aug-10-06 07:48 PM   #50 
              - Thumbs? That's plural. I manage with just one...  fuzzypolitics   Aug-10-06 07:50 PM   #60 
                 - Ha ha. Fuzzy.blog. Fat chance pal. I wouldn't waste a click.  bluerum   Aug-10-06 07:55 PM   #72 
                    - No one's asking you to. It's still a free country n/t  fuzzypolitics   Aug-10-06 07:58 PM   #76 
                       - heh heh heh, you might be wrong there.  bluerum   Aug-10-06 08:48 PM   #120 
  - Dubya, is that you?  Der Blaue Engel   Aug-10-06 07:36 PM   #17 
  - Don't tax the man. He's on vacashun.  sfexpat2000   Aug-10-06 07:43 PM   #35 
  - and what "Muslim terrorists" have we "caught," exactly?  ima_sinnic   Aug-10-06 07:44 PM   #38 
  - What about the Christian Terrorists?  Wheezy   Aug-10-06 07:46 PM   #46 
  - gay porn mags :) (nt)  The Straight Story   Aug-10-06 08:05 PM   #96 
     - That's much funnier. :) n/t  Wheezy   Aug-10-06 09:12 PM   #124 
  - OK.......  FearofFutility   Aug-10-06 08:04 PM   #94 
     - I always miss the good stuff.  Blue State Native   Aug-10-06 08:35 PM   #118 
  - make it a law enforcement priority  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 07:28 PM   #6 
  - A winner. Thank you for your participation. Give this person  4MoronicYears   Aug-10-06 07:31 PM   #7 
  - Send the police after them?  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 07:34 PM   #14 
  - with the bush cabal in charge  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 07:40 PM   #28 
     - Surely you don't think 9-11 was planned after Bush came to office?  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 07:44 PM   #39 
        - yeah. uh huh.  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 07:48 PM   #54 
        - your solution?  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 08:04 PM   #93 
           - I don't really have one.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 08:06 PM   #97 
              - what about christian fundamentalism?  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 08:10 PM   #104 
              - Indeed, fundamentalism is bad in all its stripes.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 08:14 PM   #107 
              - "Terrorism=Islamic Fundamentalism" is too easy.  Hatalles   Aug-10-06 08:14 PM   #108 
                 - But that's not what I said.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 11:18 PM   #144 
  - This might actually work :) How far-sighted and thoughtful - nice n/t  Sinti   Aug-10-06 07:38 PM   #22 
  - i didn't know osama bin laden was poor or disenfranchised  pitohui   Aug-10-06 07:44 PM   #40 
  - OBL flew one of the 9-11 planes?  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 07:50 PM   #59 
  - he provided funds and training  pitohui   Aug-10-06 07:51 PM   #62 
     - why do you assume the "poor" in question have to be the actors?  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 07:56 PM   #73 
        - my argument is stop blaming the poor  pitohui   Aug-10-06 08:01 PM   #84 
           - I did not blame the poor  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 08:03 PM   #90 
              - It's not a matter of saying that poverty isn't  igil   Aug-10-06 08:23 PM   #113 
  - BTW, he is not as rich as most believe  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 07:59 PM   #79 
  - do you think these things would not work?  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 08:00 PM   #83 
  - You hit the nail right on the head.  AusGail   Aug-10-06 07:49 PM   #56 
     - knock on wood that this first step  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 07:57 PM   #75 
  - McVeigh was fucked up when he came home from the Gulf War  Selatius   Aug-10-06 07:32 PM   #9 
  - as we all are,  madokie   Aug-10-06 07:34 PM   #13 
  - Thats just it, you can't stop terrorists.  mrcheerful   Aug-10-06 07:33 PM   #10 
  - I agree.  bigwillq   Aug-10-06 07:36 PM   #16 
  - But even with the 'war on drugs' the spraying that causes lose of crops,  tnlefty   Aug-10-06 08:03 PM   #88 
     - We can live by the Golden Rule  bigwillq   Aug-10-06 08:17 PM   #110 
  - Good points.  Realityhack   Aug-10-06 07:48 PM   #53 
  - You are right, you cant stop terrorists....  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-10-06 07:51 PM   #65 
  - It goes for anyone that replaces bombs for words.  mrcheerful   Aug-10-06 08:00 PM   #81 
  - good writing.  uppityperson   Aug-10-06 10:41 PM   #141 
  - Terror has existed thru history  Rick Myers   Aug-10-06 07:33 PM   #11 
  - Talk to them and find out the reason for hating us and then work on that  madokie   Aug-10-06 07:33 PM   #12 
  - Let's say a big reason is that your liberalism....  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 07:36 PM   #18 
     - as if that is a reason to kill, I don't think so. try again  madokie   Aug-10-06 08:12 PM   #106 
        - It may not be to you, but it sure is to some fundamentalists.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 09:38 PM   #126 
  - Terrorism is a method - you will never wipe it out completely  Sinti   Aug-10-06 07:35 PM   #15 
  - Terrorism in some form has been around forever.  ocelot   Aug-10-06 07:36 PM   #19 
  - I don't see it as appeasement  OnionPatch   Aug-10-06 11:19 PM   #145 
  - All you need is love  Jeanette in FL   Aug-10-06 07:37 PM   #20 
  - Use honest public diplomacy  sweetheart   Aug-10-06 07:37 PM   #21 
  - This means sanctions:  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 07:39 PM   #23 
  - we need a stick  sweetheart   Aug-10-06 07:53 PM   #68 
  - Imagine that.  Jeanette in FL   Aug-10-06 07:48 PM   #52 
     - having to believe  sweetheart   Aug-10-06 08:06 PM   #98 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-10-06 07:39 PM   #24 
  - You're suggesting death squads.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 07:40 PM   #27 
  - I was thinking more of total liquidation squads  Poppyseedman   Aug-10-06 07:47 PM   #47 
  - Works for me... n/t  fuzzypolitics   Aug-10-06 07:43 PM   #34 
  - oh right, continue the ridiculous so-called war on terror  ima_sinnic   Aug-10-06 07:49 PM   #58 
  - No, terrorist use terror as a tool to instill fear into a population.  Poppyseedman   Aug-10-06 07:57 PM   #74 
  - your post is a joke right?  marions ghost   Aug-10-06 07:54 PM   #71 
     - No, I'm dead serious  Poppyseedman   Aug-10-06 08:04 PM   #92 
        - killers are killers. Their causes may differ and they may use different  bluerum   Aug-10-06 08:31 PM   #115 
        - You are so wrong, poppyseedman  davekriss   Aug-10-06 09:30 PM   #125 
  - stop fighting an asymmetric war with the same 'jolly green giant' that...  bridgit   Aug-10-06 07:39 PM   #25 
  - It's very easy. Stop oppressing people and the oppressed  Cleita   Aug-10-06 07:40 PM   #26 
  - There has to be economic opportunity and security. Social  bluerum   Aug-10-06 07:40 PM   #29 
  - Kill everybody who isn't rich?  Tom Yossarian Joad   Aug-10-06 07:41 PM   #31 
  - Osama Bin Ladin is a billionaire.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 07:46 PM   #45 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-10-06 07:47 PM   #48 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-10-06 07:50 PM   #61 
        - osama is not a billionaire  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 08:01 PM   #86 
           - Fine. Then counter my assertion without smearing me, if you would.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 08:05 PM   #95 
              - I hope no one here is a fucking freeper  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 08:07 PM   #100 
                 - lol. Ditto.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 08:15 PM   #109 
                    - well said.  leftofthedial   Aug-10-06 08:34 PM   #116 
     - His family is....  Tom Yossarian Joad   Aug-10-06 07:48 PM   #51 
        - That sounds like an argument for economic globalisation.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 07:52 PM   #67 
        - I'm a Socialist, So kill me.  Tom Yossarian Joad   Aug-10-06 07:58 PM   #77 
        - Well, I have a hard time differentiating between a socialist..  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 08:03 PM   #89 
        - Actually, neo-liberals are the proponents...  davekriss   Aug-10-06 09:46 PM   #128 
        - You do know that most terrorists come from upper class families didn't you  mrcheerful   Aug-10-06 08:11 PM   #105 
           - Do you have a link to that...  Tom Yossarian Joad   Aug-10-06 08:20 PM   #112 
           - It was on a PBS show about the ME.  mrcheerful   Aug-10-06 08:24 PM   #114 
           - That is not true  davekriss   Aug-10-06 10:17 PM   #134 
              - It was on one of the PBS programs abut the middle east.  mrcheerful   Aug-11-06 01:41 AM   #158 
  - You CANT stop terrorism.  Realityhack   Aug-10-06 07:41 PM   #32 
  - investigate, arrest, prosecute, convict, strict sentencing  pitohui   Aug-10-06 07:42 PM   #33 
  - We did that in 1993.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 07:45 PM   #44 
     - so your answer is to give up and say "oh woe"  pitohui   Aug-10-06 07:53 PM   #69 
        - By all means, investigate, try and convict.  cigsandcoffee   Aug-10-06 08:00 PM   #80 
  - What is terrorism? Who are the terrorists?  NNN0LHI   Aug-10-06 07:43 PM   #36 
  - Well, I think that may qualify  The Straight Story   Aug-10-06 07:49 PM   #55 
  - What about the man who was photographed being forced to give oral sex...  NNN0LHI   Aug-10-06 08:07 PM   #99 
  - If you were raped, who would you kill?  The Straight Story   Aug-11-06 01:06 AM   #153 
  - So by that standard  Sinti   Aug-10-06 09:47 PM   #129 
  - By the standard the poster uses my father is a terrorist  NNN0LHI   Aug-10-06 10:18 PM   #135 
     - War is terror - at least for those caught in it. Your father was doing  Sinti   Aug-10-06 10:21 PM   #136 
  - "Punishing by proxy as it were"  davekriss   Aug-10-06 10:40 PM   #140 
  - The sooner we all learn the truth of your words the better off we will be  NNN0LHI   Aug-10-06 11:38 PM   #149 
  - as noted below, see my other post on this:  The Straight Story   Aug-11-06 01:09 AM   #155 
  - See my other post on this:  The Straight Story   Aug-11-06 01:09 AM   #154 
     - Good post, straight  davekriss   Aug-11-06 07:21 PM   #161 
  - Then the Israelis are guilty of terrorism by your definition...right???  U4ikLefty   Aug-11-06 01:27 AM   #157 
  - revenge seekers are pre meditated murderers for sure  pitohui   Aug-10-06 07:49 PM   #57 
  - A few hundred 50-megatonne bombs.  Spider Jerusalem   Aug-10-06 07:44 PM   #42 
  - If I was "God". I would  wurzel   Aug-10-06 07:45 PM   #43 
  - Why do you dismiss the most common sense, wisest, best answers?  Peace Patriot   Aug-10-06 07:51 PM   #63 
  - well let me explain it to you this way  pitohui   Aug-10-06 07:58 PM   #78 
  - End poverty and ignorance.  porphyrian   Aug-10-06 07:51 PM   #64 
  - Stop Meddling in other Countries  stepnw1f   Aug-10-06 07:52 PM   # 
  - Ask the IRA  savemefromdumbya   Aug-10-06 07:52 PM   #66 
  - Stop calling them terrorists and call them what they are - criminals.  Old and In the Way   Aug-10-06 07:53 PM   #70 
  - You can't defeat a tactic but...  Hatalles   Aug-10-06 08:01 PM   #85 
  - one more recommendation  ptolle   Aug-10-06 11:03 PM   #142 
  - And another...  countryjake   Aug-11-06 01:57 AM   #159 
  - MAKE ECONOMIC OPPRESSION, ANYWHERE, A FELONY!!  Just Me   Aug-10-06 08:01 PM   #87 
  - Here's my plan.  readmoreoften   Aug-10-06 08:04 PM   #91 
  - Excellent plan  B Calm   Aug-10-06 08:08 PM   #102 
  - Terrorism is murder  dmesg   Aug-10-06 08:08 PM   #101 
  - Thanks to all for replies so far  The Straight Story   Aug-10-06 08:10 PM   #103 
  - Please look into the Palast vid and Whitaker articles I posted...  Hatalles   Aug-10-06 08:18 PM   #111 
  - They don't hate our freedoms, they just hate. We need to stop hatred.  originalpckelly   Aug-10-06 08:34 PM   #117 
  - who are 'they'??? many of 'them' are 'us' if  Bluerthanblue   Aug-10-06 10:04 PM   #133 
  - You can't get rid of terrorism.  mmonk   Aug-10-06 08:53 PM   #121 
  - ^^^  mystique   Aug-10-06 08:58 PM   #122 
  - There are some loons for which no  igil   Aug-10-06 08:59 PM   #123 
  - Stop funding right-wing terrorist nations and allowing them free rein  LaPera   Aug-10-06 09:40 PM   #127 
  - the same way we stop death-  Bluerthanblue   Aug-10-06 09:50 PM   #130 
  - We get our troops out of their countries, stop bombing their people,  leesa   Aug-10-06 09:58 PM   #131 
  - It doesn't stop, but it does grow or shrink in intensity  Protagoras   Aug-10-06 10:03 PM   #132 
  - I would make it my goal to find Osama Bin Laden and I mean  Rex   Aug-10-06 10:23 PM   #137 
  - Diplomacy.  JackBeck   Aug-10-06 10:25 PM   #138 
  - We can't stop it but we can lessen the existence of it by  AZBlue   Aug-10-06 10:28 PM   #139 
  - 1. Creat a viable Palestinian state.  Odin2005   Aug-10-06 11:23 PM   #146 
  - All religious extremism is problematic  fujiyama   Aug-10-06 11:30 PM   #147 
  - Stop looking at the middle east through the eyes of Israel. Broker  whutgives   Aug-10-06 11:35 PM   #148 
  - Yeah, a lot of those people who want to kill other people are  treestar   Aug-10-06 11:47 PM   #150 
  - That is fine and dandy  The Straight Story   Aug-11-06 01:16 AM   #156 
  - A genuinely sovereign and genuinely independent state of Palestine  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-10-06 11:54 PM   #151 
  - The world will never be completely free of terrorism  me b zola   Aug-11-06 12:52 AM   #152 
  - You don't. You reduce it.  eridani   Aug-11-06 03:43 AM   #160 
 

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