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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 01:32 PM
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88. Forget the "anyone can grow it" argument
Let's pretend, just for the sake of pretending, that we elected a truly enlightened government.

This government's first act is a three-step deed:

Step 1: invent some way to determine actual marijuana intoxication--maybe something in the eyes, maybe a metabolite that is only present when the pot user is high, or maybe even a little brainwave reader with two lights on it--stoned or not stoned.

Step 2: establish the Office of Hemp and Marijuana Exploitation to help companies who make things that would be displaced by hemp and/or marijuana develop ways to make their products from hemp and/or marijuana. You mentioned the paper industry--what is stopping the paper industry from making hemp paper? What's stopping the linen producers from making their cloth from hemp instead of flax? Only knowledge, and that can be acquired.

Step 3: legalize the sale, possession and use of cannabis.

So now we have legal pot. I believe three groups of smokers will emerge.

The first group never buys marijuana. They grow their own. They have hydroponic systems and grow in the spare bedroom, or fields in the country and grow outside. This group isn't very large because there's no instant gratification from growing pot, whether you start from seed or you go to The Home Depot and buy bedding plants.

The second group grows pot, but they also buy it. Maybe their crop fails on occasion. Maybe they're throwing a party this weekend but they've only got two ounces of marijuana and their plants won't be ready to harvest for another month (or their friends just don't like the skunkweed they grow). Or...just maybe...they like to try other varietals. Anyway, these guys buy pot.

The third group never grows it. They don't have the room, they don't have the patience, all they can grow is rocks, they like to grab a couple of joints on Friday after work and smoke them on the weekends, their house keeps getting broken into every time they set bedding plants and they've finally said "screw it." Whatever. These folks only buy packaged marijuana.

This is exactly the situation we're up against today, except that you go to jail if you're caught growing pot now and you wouldn't if it were legal.

Anyone CAN grow pot. Not everyone would.

I would like you to consider something else: It has been legal since the end of Prohibition to produce, for personal use, 200 gallons of beer and 200 gallons of wine per year. (They certainly calculated party consumption into this because if you drink 400 gallons of alcoholic beverages in one year you cannot be anything but a useless drunk. That's over a gallon per day.) How many people do you know who brew or make wine? I bet it's nowhere near the number of people who drink it.
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  -I have an innocent question about Marijuana jmowreader  Aug-06-06 09:07 PM   #0 
  - It still looks like oregano  Demobrat   Aug-06-06 09:10 PM   #1 
  - I believe pot is only 20 times stronger than in, say, 1969  Selatius   Aug-06-06 09:11 PM   #2 
  - Canadian pot. When I stopped smoking in 2000 Canadian pot was  gbrooks   Aug-07-06 02:45 AM   #49 
     - They cull out the female plants?  jmowreader   Aug-07-06 08:29 AM   #58 
        - Males are just "less" potent  sweetheart   Aug-07-06 09:20 AM   #72 
        - Yey I thought I might have got that backwards. I'm no expert but Canadian  gbrooks   Aug-07-06 11:37 AM   #83 
  - nothing to it. the best weed I smoked was way back in the mid 70's  madokie   Aug-06-06 09:11 PM   #3 
  - Stateside wasn't as good as Nam.  TahitiNut   Aug-06-06 09:20 PM   #7 
  - I went to Bangkok for r&r, scored some Thia sticks, good ass kicker  madokie   Aug-06-06 09:31 PM   #11 
     - Weren't Some Thai Sticks Dipped In Opium ???  WillyT   Aug-06-06 10:35 PM   #30 
     - Yeah, if you're lucky they are..  Webster Green   Aug-06-06 11:08 PM   #39 
     - Marijuana is not that bad  Joey Liberal   Aug-07-06 12:04 PM   #87 
  - The stuff that came back from Vietnam  proud2Blib   Aug-07-06 01:31 AM   #46 
  - It's Stronger, Yet Still COMPLETELY HARMLESS.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-06-06 09:13 PM   #4 
  - The resins are clear or amber colored on the plant...  Webster Green   Aug-06-06 09:14 PM   #5 
  - yeah, the common mexican stuff..  annabanana   Aug-06-06 09:17 PM   #6 
  - What you need to know:  The_Warmth   Aug-06-06 09:25 PM   #8 
  - Speaking of "internet guides"..  tridim   Aug-06-06 09:31 PM   #12 
  - That's not really the case. It is due to selective breeding  Webster Green   Aug-06-06 09:50 PM   #15 
     - Potency and profit  sweetheart   Aug-07-06 09:06 AM   #68 
        - "i don't accept that the genetic crossing has been done for potency"..  Webster Green   Aug-07-06 09:47 PM   #94 
           - ha!  sweetheart   Aug-08-06 06:59 AM   #96 
  - It's true, but strong pot is a good thing  tridim   Aug-06-06 09:26 PM   #9 
  - i found it ironic that you use "Mr Natural" as your avatar  IChing   Aug-06-06 09:29 PM   #10 
  - In the 70s, several things happened  Warpy   Aug-06-06 09:33 PM   #13 
  - Your second point is not true  Webster Green   Aug-06-06 09:57 PM   #18 
     - Obviously, I never turned to farming  Warpy   Aug-06-06 10:40 PM   #33 
  - The reason both most Democrats and most Republicans oppose legalization  SensibleAmerican   Aug-06-06 09:45 PM   #14 
  - Studies show, most of them drank milk as children.  dogman   Aug-06-06 09:52 PM   #16 
  - I took your advice but couldn't find any pot for my  IChing   Aug-06-06 09:55 PM   #17 
  - LOL, shoot you just gave me my first internet lol ever!  spacelady   Aug-06-06 10:16 PM   #23 
  - Any notion as to marijuana's role in homelessness, as opposed to  megatherium   Aug-06-06 10:11 PM   #21 
  - Never met a homeless pothead  Nabia2004   Aug-06-06 10:32 PM   #29 
  - If Marijuana Was A Major Contributor To One Being Homeless,  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-06-06 10:20 PM   #26 
  - Booze, yes. pot, no. I agree.  elehhhhna   Aug-07-06 08:53 AM   #60 
  - That's possibly the most non-sensical thing I've heard all day  Webster Green   Aug-06-06 10:20 PM   #27 
  - LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!  Swamp Rat   Aug-07-06 12:27 AM   #41 
  - Pot is responsible for the large numbers of homeless on the streets?  impeachdubya   Aug-07-06 02:36 AM   #47 
  - President Pot. There WAS a country with a President Pot somewhere, right?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-07-06 07:12 AM   #54 
  - Ouch.  impeachdubya   Aug-07-06 11:21 AM   #82 
  - lmao  elehhhhna   Aug-07-06 08:53 AM   #61 
  - i know and have met a lot of homeless people  mark414   Aug-07-06 02:42 AM   #48 
  - I sense a subtle inversion of causation here. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-07-06 07:10 AM   #53 
  - What An Absurd Thing To Say  ThomWV   Aug-07-06 07:29 AM   #55 
  - I'm going to start on my way to homelessness - - - right now!!  tabasco   Aug-07-06 09:03 AM   #66 
  - Why I think Pot is still illegal  jmowreader   Aug-07-06 09:12 AM   #70 
  - Why is pot illegal?  sweetheart   Aug-07-06 10:09 AM   #76 
  - pot is illegal for a few reasons  darboy   Aug-07-06 07:01 PM   #91 
  - Because it can be grown by anyone and it threatens Big Pharma,  leesa   Aug-07-06 10:15 AM   #77 
  - Forget the "anyone can grow it" argument  jmowreader   Aug-07-06 01:32 PM   #88 
     - Small correction  EstimatedProphet   Aug-09-06 03:41 PM   #99 
  - How's this for a test?  EstimatedProphet   Aug-09-06 03:34 PM   #98 
  - Stupidest.  SeveneightyWhoa   Aug-07-06 11:46 AM   #85 
  - If democrats and republicans were so concerned about homelessness  RagingInMiami   Aug-07-06 12:01 PM   #86 
  - I think the reason it's still illegal is that profits from the  Kali   Aug-07-06 01:51 PM   #89 
  - Y'all know this is in response to that FR pot thread, right?  jmowreader   Aug-06-06 10:00 PM   #19 
  - Freepers get their buzz from sitting in those Porta Potties and  Hubert Flottz   Aug-07-06 08:10 AM   #56 
  - mexican pot was and still is crap  madrchsod   Aug-06-06 10:03 PM   #20 
  - Your subject line contradicts your message  Webster Green   Aug-06-06 10:16 PM   #24 
  - Yep, ditchweed is still ditchweed even if it has fancy digs! n/t  spacelady   Aug-06-06 10:21 PM   #28 
  - I prefer nurture to nature in this regard...  EOTE   Aug-07-06 09:35 AM   #75 
     - That is just not true  Webster Green   Aug-07-06 11:42 AM   #84 
  - Isn't Acapulco Gold Mexican pot?  jmowreader   Aug-07-06 09:21 AM   #73 
  - We up here seem to agree with you re: Mexican pot  GirlinContempt   Aug-07-06 09:28 AM   #74 
  - oh, and nickel and dime bags?  dweller   Aug-06-06 10:12 PM   #22 
  - C'mon dewd!  Texas Explorer   Aug-06-06 10:18 PM   #25 
  - Smoked my 1st joint at age 18  Pastiche423   Aug-06-06 10:36 PM   #31 
  - If you smoke pot, you may in fact eat more candy and listen to jazz  zulchzulu   Aug-06-06 10:40 PM   #32 
  - Listen to jazz ... LOL!  Texas Explorer   Aug-06-06 10:41 PM   #34 
  - If pot was legalized there would be a dangerous run on snack foods  killbotfactory   Aug-06-06 10:44 PM   #36 
  - If pot was legalized I would buy stock in Doritos, Cheetos, Ho-Hos,  Swamp Rat   Aug-07-06 12:30 AM   #42 
     - Piano  H2O Man   Aug-07-06 07:05 AM   #52 
        - LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!  Swamp Rat   Aug-07-06 10:35 AM   #81 
  - I heard it was "play" jazz  jmowreader   Aug-07-06 08:25 AM   #57 
  - Then along came the flatted fifth...  misanthrope   Aug-07-06 10:25 PM   #95 
  - "Minnie the Moocher"  Ptah   Aug-07-06 07:51 PM   #93 
  - You would have to smoke a room full of pot to OD  killbotfactory   Aug-06-06 10:41 PM   #35 
  - Oregano ??? - Looks More Like Chia-Pot To Me !!!  WillyT   Aug-06-06 10:50 PM   #37 
  - What you're seeing is a carefully constructed propaganda campaign  impeachdubya   Aug-06-06 10:53 PM   #38 
  - You couldn't be more wrong!  JVS   Aug-07-06 12:13 AM   #40 
     - lol  WindRavenX   Aug-07-06 12:32 AM   #43 
     - Yeah, I know. Actually, it causes date rapes, men to grow breasts,  impeachdubya   Aug-07-06 01:12 AM   #45 
     - that girl thought she could fly, right? lol  elehhhhna   Aug-07-06 08:56 AM   #62 
        - No. She was just freaked out and had to get out fast as hell  JVS   Aug-07-06 09:05 AM   #67 
  - Because it's propaganda  proud patriot   Aug-07-06 12:37 AM   #44 
  - WHo said "dont' keep smoking it when you're lrady high? You  elehhhhna   Aug-07-06 08:57 AM   #63 
  - THC Has Increased From About 6% To about 18% In The Best Weed  ThomWV   Aug-07-06 06:58 AM   #50 
  - now I got the munchies  madokie   Aug-07-06 07:04 AM   #51 
  - hydroponics  sweetheart   Aug-07-06 10:29 AM   #80 
  - Someone once told me about white widow  BelgianMadCow   Aug-07-06 07:24 PM   #92 
  - 20 times stronger?  Sentinel Chicken   Aug-07-06 08:45 AM   #59 
  - My sources tell me you are 100% correct.  LincolnMcGrath   Aug-07-06 08:58 AM   #64 
  - I very much doubt that it's twenty times stronger  OnionPatch   Aug-07-06 08:59 AM   #65 
  - The 99 plants rule  sweetheart   Aug-07-06 05:59 PM   #90 
  - Makes my eyes red just thinking about it  catmandu57   Aug-07-06 09:11 AM   #69 
  - Are you sure you've never met that funny reefer man?  Crankie Avalon   Aug-07-06 09:18 AM   #71 
  - If Anyone Honestly Gives A Shit Here's A Link To The Facts  ThomWV   Aug-07-06 10:16 AM   #78 
  - In 1969...  misternormal   Aug-07-06 10:18 AM   #79 
  - I think that's just propaganda  HeeBGBz   Aug-08-06 07:36 AM   #97 

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