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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:24 PM
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23. I have to reply to all these people such as cigsandcoffee, and Aegis
regarding the issue of Hizbollah and other militant groups hiding in the civilian populace.
You are right and you are wrong.
Right in that it is cowardly.

Wrong in that no matter how cowardly, we simply cannot bomb a UN outpost, civilian apartment building, water treatment plant, etc. etc., and still maintain any moral highground, or expect to accomplish any long term solution. It makes us terrorists. It does. Ask what else can we do all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the view from under our(or Israel's) bombs is just as terrible, unjust, immoral and completely tragic as 9-11, Oklahoma city, Beirut, U.S.S. Cole, Haifa, or any other "terrorist" bombings. As long as we continue in this "Bush Doctrine" philosophy, we will continue to create enemies with legitimate hatred for us faster than we can kill them.

It is far more cowardly to bomb a civilian populace with overwhelming force than it is to hide in one. I doesn't matter if Satan is hiding there.

It will NEVER end the violence. It("The Buuush Doctrine") has been tried time and time again. It NEVER works. Neither peace, non-violent democracy, or "lasting ceacefires" can be achieved with violence. The horror of watching all the slow people in the world trying to figure this out over and over again is sickening.

Let me be clear: As long as bombs are being fired, WHOMEVER is firing them deserves the label of "terrorist" and lifelong imprisonment. There is No justification. Please don't waste your time trying.
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  -Juan Cole: Israelis Kill UN Peacekeepers Ms. Clio  Jul-26-06 01:05 PM   #0 
  - I believe that they did it to discourage other countries from sending  ladjf   Jul-26-06 01:09 PM   #1 
  - yes, the goal is NATO forces  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 01:16 PM   # 
  - That is my view as well  CuteNFuzzy   Jul-26-06 01:26 PM   #11 
  - Hezbollah is firing on the Israelis from the "immediate vicinity"...  cigsandcoffee   Jul-26-06 01:11 PM   #2 
  - hey, either it's "precision" targeting, or it's not  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 01:15 PM   #3 
  - Meanwhile from the link  malaise   Jul-26-06 01:19 PM   #5 
  - you should read his recent piece about Hitchens  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 01:23 PM   #9 
  - Of course it was from six days ago.  cigsandcoffee   Jul-26-06 01:19 PM   #6 
     - That has nothing to do with this case, it's a red herring  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 01:22 PM   #8 
        - Red herring, my ass.  cigsandcoffee   Jul-26-06 01:27 PM   #12 
           - yes, of course, that's the same excuse for destroying all of Lebanon  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 01:31 PM   #13 
              - Now that's a red herring  cigsandcoffee   Jul-26-06 01:34 PM   #15 
                 - it's the precise same logic  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 01:35 PM   #16 
                    - The UN reported that Hezbollah was firing...  cigsandcoffee   Jul-26-06 01:39 PM   #18 
                       - you could not be more wrong: The UN says Hezbollah was NOT firing  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 02:36 PM   #24 
                          - "Hezbollah firing was not taking place within the immediate vicinity  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 04:09 PM   #26 
                             - thanks for clearing that up  CuteNFuzzy   Jul-26-06 04:12 PM   #27 
  - Precision Guided Mistake.. over and over again?  stepnw1f   Jul-26-06 01:16 PM   #4 
     - Hezbollah firing from the "immediate vicinity"  cigsandcoffee   Jul-26-06 01:20 PM   #7 
     - Don't Buy This  stepnw1f   Jul-26-06 01:24 PM   #10 
        - Don't take my word for it...  cigsandcoffee   Jul-26-06 01:36 PM   #17 
        - We'd like word of what was happening when the place was actually hit  Kagemusha   Jul-26-06 01:54 PM   #20 
        - your skepticism is justified  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 02:41 PM   #25 
     - If you're trying to say  igil   Jul-26-06 01:33 PM   #14 
        - Well that explains a lot. It really does.  Kagemusha   Jul-26-06 01:53 PM   #19 
        - Ah, that's where you're mistaken  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-26-06 01:59 PM   #22 
        - I was under the impression that the IDF had aircraft  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-26-06 01:56 PM   #21 
           - That was good...  femrap   Jul-27-06 10:25 AM   #35 
  - I have to reply to all these people such as cigsandcoffee, and Aegis  poverlay   Jul-26-06 02:24 PM   #23 
  - They Don't Give Shit  stepnw1f   Jul-26-06 04:13 PM   #28 
  - the silence is deafening, yes  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 07:35 PM   #30 
  - It's so easy for people to be provoked into bloodthirsty, hate-filled  poverlay   Jul-27-06 02:07 AM   #31 
     - "have to directly experience the repercussions"  stepnw1f   Jul-27-06 08:36 AM   #33 
     - Remarkably well said. Thanks for your insightful post. nt  glitch   Jul-27-06 09:53 AM   #34 
  - Why can't people learn this? Thank you. nt  femrap   Jul-27-06 10:28 AM   #36 
  - another kick  Ms. Clio   Jul-26-06 07:34 PM   #29 
  - Kofi Annan accepts the Israeli apology and awaits investigation  oberliner   Jul-27-06 02:14 AM   #32 
 

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