Douglas Carpenter
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Sun Jul-23-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #66 |
| 68. I suppose one of the things that confounds me is that in Israel itself |
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there is much more open debate in the mainstream of their body politic and within their mainstream media. One can read editorials in Haaretz than one would seldom find in the New York Times or the Washington Post.
I cannot say know why this. But there is a level of debate missing in the U.S. mainstream on this issue that is much more prevalent almost everywhere else; including Israel.
As far as the national interest question, that I don't know either. Actually even Noam Chomsky agrees with you that American power and economic concerns drive U.S. policy regarding the Israel/Arab conflict with the issue of the Israeli lobby being only a minor factor; but still a factor.
Still I don't know why that it is more acceptable in mainstream American political discussion to criticize American military actions than to criticize American military actions. I cannot say for any certainty that the main reason is the Israeli lobby. But for me it is hard to imagine that it is not a factor.
Still one can only look inside themselves and ask if they are in any way whatsoever influenced by prejudices whether anti-Semitism or anti-Arab racism. I would agree that both of those might be factors in some peoples understanding of the Middle East.
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| -Feingold, Clark, Reid, Pelosi Statements |
oberliner |
Jul-22-06 11:29 AM |
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Dem leaders are spouting the AIPAC talking points. |
katinmn |
Jul-22-06 11:35 AM |
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you don't think they represent their constiuents? |
still_one |
Jul-22-06 11:45 AM |
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Obviously they don't represent the people on this |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 12:22 PM |
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They shouldn't govern according to polls. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-22-06 12:25 PM |
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Their (Congress) opinions on Israel are always in line with Tel Aviv |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 12:33 PM |
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Then why did Russ Feingold VOTE AGAINST THE IWR? |
still_one |
Jul-22-06 12:42 PM |
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AIPAC wasn't alone in those fights |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 08:42 PM |
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One sided policy statements based on one sided stories |
rucky |
Jul-23-06 04:47 AM |
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It's tantamount to blowing up a city block in the US |
Mythsaje |
Jul-22-06 11:45 AM |
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Jul-22-06 11:51 AM |
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It got lost in the passages |
Mythsaje |
Jul-22-06 11:52 AM |
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Dem leaders understand the importance of Israel to US foreign policy |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-22-06 11:48 AM |
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actually both political parties do |
still_one |
Jul-22-06 11:56 AM |
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There is an offer for peace between Arab countries and Israel: |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jul-23-06 01:03 AM |
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Why is that part of the world unfriendly to the US in the first place? |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 08:45 PM |
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geez, this is sickening, they are in support of expanding the |
alyce douglas |
Jul-22-06 08:50 PM |
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Jul-22-06 11:54 AM |
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Clark has said the same thing. In addition, he said there should be |
still_one |
Jul-22-06 11:57 AM |
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Pelosi refused to sign on to that resolution- |
Rose Siding |
Jul-22-06 12:03 PM |
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AIPAC AIPAC AIPAC |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 12:16 PM |
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Also |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 12:19 PM |
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I don't understand how your comment relates to my post. |
Rose Siding |
Jul-22-06 12:21 PM |
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I was just responding |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 12:28 PM |
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Also Rose, |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 12:29 PM |
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WHo opposes AIPAC? |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 12:34 PM |
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Arab American Leadership PAC |
oberliner |
Jul-22-06 01:48 PM |
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$109,000 vs. AIPAC's $6 million. That says it all |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 08:53 PM |
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Both parties take from AIPAC. It is naive to think they have no influence |
katinmn |
Jul-22-06 12:49 PM |
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I don't believe |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 12:51 PM |
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I agree, except on I/P |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 08:57 PM |
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somebody claimed the other day that posting lists like this |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-22-06 12:54 PM |
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I agree |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 01:00 PM |
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it wasn't you i was referring to, btw. It was somebody that was a |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-22-06 01:10 PM |
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McKinney and AIPAC |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 08:59 PM |
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Exactly. It is our duty to watch where our reps get their funding |
katinmn |
Jul-22-06 01:01 PM |
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I agree, AIPAC should not be exempt from scrutiny |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 09:01 PM |
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Those weren't the final 04' figures, believe it or not |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 08:54 PM |
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When my rep DARED to question the withdrawal of humanitarian |
katinmn |
Jul-22-06 12:54 PM |
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well then |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 01:02 PM |
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Right! It is fine for lobbyists of foreign governments to work to |
katinmn |
Jul-22-06 01:07 PM |
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that was a strawman argument |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 01:10 PM |
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Nice sugarcoating: "supports a strong US/Israeli relationship" |
katinmn |
Jul-22-06 01:22 PM |
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okay |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 01:24 PM |
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Pro-foreign government lobbies |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 09:07 PM |
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AIPAC toppled McKinney--in a primary in 2002 |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 09:03 PM |
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Politicians' first allegience is to themselves. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-22-06 12:30 PM |
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or maybe many of them |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 12:32 PM |
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98%? |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 12:35 PM |
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You are correct |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-22-06 12:50 PM |
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The issue is not supporting Israel. I support Israel |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 09:11 PM |
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I find it discouraging to see that Democratic leading politicians |
ladjf |
Jul-22-06 01:24 PM |
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No surprise here |
fujiyama |
Jul-22-06 02:51 PM |
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A few thoughts |
DanCa |
Jul-22-06 08:51 PM |
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Democrats have and will always support Israel... |
k_jerome |
Jul-22-06 09:00 PM |
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define "support" |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 09:20 PM |
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The Peaking Of US Domestic Petroleum Production In The Early 70's |
loindelrio |
Jul-22-06 10:13 PM |
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How does Israel help secure the oil supply? |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 10:37 PM |
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Friendly Country From Which To Stage Operations If TSHTF |
loindelrio |
Jul-22-06 11:31 PM |
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Ah well...you see we in the Dem party believe in Freedom of Speech. |
Rex |
Jul-22-06 09:05 PM |
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"A wide tent with a variety of people with different ideas and notions." |
JackNewtown |
Jul-22-06 09:17 PM |
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Israel is not the only issue Dems stick with, there are a few more. |
Rex |
Jul-22-06 11:34 PM |
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Is anyone else disturbed by the AIPAC replies? |
oberliner |
Jul-23-06 01:27 AM |
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could you please present a factually based argument |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jul-23-06 04:29 AM |
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My Argument |
oberliner |
Jul-23-06 11:15 AM |
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I suppose one of the things that confounds me is that in Israel itself |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jul-23-06 12:37 PM |
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your points |
oberliner |
Jul-23-06 01:31 PM |
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yes. see the Anti Defamation League website. nt. |
k_jerome |
Jul-23-06 04:34 AM |
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Yes I'm disturbed by them, but not surprised unfortunately. |
Dutch |
Jul-23-06 04:34 AM |
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Israel keeps making the situation worse -- That's my beef |
Armstead |
Jul-23-06 11:46 AM |
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Jul-23-06 12:49 PM |
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This is all I have to say on the Israeli-Lebanese war so far |
derby378 |
Jul-23-06 12:56 PM |
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