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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 03:27 PM
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29. Unlike other countries, the US conveniently doesn't keep records
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 03:32 PM by chill_wind
to support (or more accurately, belie) the "evidence" of deterrance.

"It is only in American cities, where accurate and complete records of the number of CCTV-derived arrests and convictions are not kept, that there is "evidence" that surveillance cameras are effective crime-fighting tools. (This putative evidence almost always consists of a handful of spectacular anecdotes in which surveillance cameras led to the capture of the criminal.) In the words of the principal of an elementary school at which CCTV systems were installed in the wake of the Columbine shootings, the value of such systems is merely "cosmetic," something to reassure insurance companies and prospective clients that "everything" has been done to prevent a reoccurrence."

CCTV's are most largely tools$$$ succesfully foisted on businesses and cities by insurance companies.

(and of course der "Homeland Security")

See what the IACP (International Association of Chiefs of Police)has said:

In March 2001, the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) published the results of its survey into the use of surveillance cameras by 700 different law enforcement authorities in America. Entitled The Use of CCTV/Video Cameras in Law Enforcement, this report contains some very interesting information.

1. Eighty percent of the respondents said they were already using surveillance cameras, and half of the remaining 20 percent said that they would start using cameras soon.

2. Only 20 percent agree with the claim (often assumed to be true) that surveillance cameras are useful for "reducing crime." As a result, comparatively few respondents used cameras in public places such as subways, parks and public housing developments. (Note well that these are precisely the places in which the NYPD has installed cameras since 1997.)

3. Most respondents (over 60 percent) said that surveillance cameras were useful for "investigative assistance." As a result, the vast majority of cameras were used in police cars or interrogation rooms in police stations.

4. Slightly more than half (54 percent) said that cameras were helpful in "gathering evidence." But what kind of evidence? Significantly, the evidence most often gathered wasn't "positive" or "offensive" (proof that someone under arrest did in fact commit the crime he or she is accused of committing), but "negative" or "defensive" (proof that a police officer did not coerce, abuse or kill someone under arrest, despite claims to the contrary).


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  -anybody know what a "crime fighting camera" might be? anarch  Jul-20-06 02:25 PM   #0 
  - Shades of '1984', a few years late. nt  babylonsister   Jul-20-06 02:27 PM   # 
  - Combine the plethora of cameras with the microchip in the driver's license  SmokingJacket   Jul-20-06 02:27 PM   #1 
  - I think this logo explains it pretty well  unpossibles   Jul-20-06 02:29 PM   #2 
  - england  sgxnk   Jul-20-06 02:31 PM   #4 
     - do they prevent crime?  anarch   Jul-20-06 02:34 PM   #8 
     - according  sgxnk   Jul-20-06 02:39 PM   #12 
        - "CLEARLY effective in *prevention"*? Like on 7-7-05?  chill_wind   Jul-20-06 04:14 PM   #38 
     - So is Manhattan  warrens   Jul-20-06 02:45 PM   #15 
        - the operative difference  sgxnk   Jul-20-06 02:59 PM   #20 
  - It wears glasses and has a super-secret suit under the tie and coat.  politicat   Jul-20-06 02:30 PM   #3 
  - I think we should be carrying our own  blonndee   Jul-20-06 02:31 PM   #5 
  - I read an article recently about a guy getting arrested for that  GloriaSmith   Jul-20-06 02:37 PM   #11 
     - Oh yeah! I had forgotten about that.  blonndee   Jul-20-06 02:39 PM   #13 
  - sounds like a camera wearing a cape and spandex  GloriaSmith   Jul-20-06 02:33 PM   #6 
  - LOL. Good call! n/t  chill_wind   Jul-20-06 03:40 PM   #31 
  - One with x-ray vision  MountainLaurel   Jul-20-06 02:33 PM   #7 
  - I'm guessing it's a really expensive one. nt  bemildred   Jul-20-06 02:35 PM   #9 
  - Actually, these cameras came into heavy use while I lived in the UK  magellan   Jul-20-06 02:36 PM   #10 
  - all paranoia aside, I will be curious to see if they work  anarch   Jul-20-06 02:40 PM   #14 
     - I agree 100%  magellan   Jul-20-06 03:03 PM   #22 
  - As far as I know the use of cameras in or on public property is  flamin lib   Jul-20-06 02:48 PM   #16 
  - Useless as tits on a boar-hog...n/t  Virginia Dare   Jul-20-06 02:51 PM   #17 
  - An excellent education: New York Suveillance Cam Players  chill_wind   Jul-20-06 02:52 PM   #18 
  - They Have Them in Baltimore  ribofunk   Jul-20-06 02:55 PM   #19 
  - Another way of destroying the ordinary citizens' privacy  MadHound   Jul-20-06 03:01 PM   #21 
  - How does it violate the 4th Amendment?  AngryAmish   Jul-20-06 03:05 PM   #25 
     - The Fourth Amendment is the basis for our right to privacy  MadHound   Jul-20-06 03:31 PM   #30 
  - They work real well in Chicago  AngryAmish   Jul-20-06 03:04 PM   #23 
  - I thought the things seemed to always be going off.  porphyrian   Jul-20-06 03:43 PM   #32 
     - They are always flashing by design  AngryAmish   Jul-20-06 03:51 PM   #35 
        - Ah, I see. - n/t  porphyrian   Jul-20-06 03:57 PM   #36 
  - they're like Robocop except with a big camera for a head  Algorem   Jul-20-06 03:05 PM   #24 
  - see, now that I would be totally OK with  anarch   Jul-20-06 03:08 PM   #26 
     - one of 'em beat me up last night for drinking a beer in a bus kept  Algorem   Jul-20-06 03:20 PM   #28 
  - Crime went down in the neighbourhoods Britain had cameras. Relax.  applegrove   Jul-20-06 03:17 PM   #27 
  - Ah yes  MadHound   Jul-20-06 04:13 PM   #37 
     - Chances are.. if you have no worries about crime.. you will not see  applegrove   Jul-20-06 04:16 PM   #39 
        - I lived in such a neighborhood for ten years  MadHound   Jul-20-06 04:26 PM   #40 
           - Cameras would make it happen overnight. Ten years is a lifetime. But  applegrove   Jul-20-06 04:52 PM   #41 
              - Sorry, but cameras wouldn't have done jack.  MadHound   Jul-20-06 09:43 PM   #42 
  - Unlike other countries, the US conveniently doesn't keep records  chill_wind   Jul-20-06 03:27 PM   #29 
  - I like the one that Barman carries in his utility belt.  DanCa   Jul-20-06 03:44 PM   #33 
  - It looks something like this:  Blue-Jay   Jul-20-06 03:45 PM   #34 
  - Monitor them as they monitor you. Camera to camera.  mmonk   Jul-20-06 09:48 PM   #43 

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