| 186. Do you know *anything* about FAIR... |
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the group that published that report? If you did, you wouldn't push that bullshit here. And you might want to read FAIR's full report, too, so you can see how specious their conclusions are.
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| -Jd Hayworth is right about shutting down these borders |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 06:07 PM |
#0 |
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O.K. I'll just sit here and... |
babylonsister |
Jan-17-06 06:10 PM |
#1 |
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wanna share your popcorn with this guy? |
SoCalDem |
Jan-17-06 06:16 PM |
#4 |
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Why? Does he work on the |
babylonsister |
Jan-17-06 06:30 PM |
#7 |
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Yep.. He mans the.... |
SoCalDem |
Jan-17-06 06:32 PM |
#8 |
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ROFL! nt |
babylonsister |
Jan-17-06 06:33 PM |
#9 |
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Jalapeno popcorn! |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 06:37 PM |
#12 |
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The reason people come here |
Maestro |
Jan-17-06 06:14 PM |
#2 |
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There's no question that it's the cheap-labor employers at the core |
TahitiNut |
Jan-17-06 06:57 PM |
#20 |
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I totally agree n/t |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:06 PM |
#26 |
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I'm not so sure about the minimum wage thing. |
donco6 |
Jan-17-06 08:27 PM |
#79 |
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Some states (not Colorado), mostly 'blue' states, have higher minimum ... |
TahitiNut |
Jan-17-06 10:21 PM |
#152 |
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Wow. I had no idea. |
donco6 |
Jan-17-06 10:51 PM |
#161 |
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You're sure welcome. Note also that SEASONAL and DOMESTIC workers |
TahitiNut |
Jan-17-06 11:01 PM |
#165 |
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You're exactly right. |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 02:18 PM |
#189 |
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Clinton's administration caught a group of terrorists |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 07:49 PM |
#53 |
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Maestro, the reason I'm sitting this out is here: |
babylonsister |
Jan-17-06 07:53 PM |
#58 |
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I understand Maestro's points |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:13 PM |
#70 |
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This post is total BS. |
Cleita |
Jan-17-06 08:34 PM |
#86 |
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Some of the 9/11 hijackers and planners were here in AZ |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 02:15 PM |
#188 |
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You get news alerts about 9/11 hijackers? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-18-06 11:16 PM |
#205 |
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Many terrorists come through Mexico? |
Maestro |
Jan-19-06 06:06 AM |
#207 |
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One doesn't run into this country.... |
catnhatnh |
Jan-17-06 06:15 PM |
#3 |
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The same thing .. |
sendero |
Jan-17-06 06:21 PM |
#5 |
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Yup, all those OTMs and Ms coming over here |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 06:22 PM |
#6 |
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Let me tell you something |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 06:56 PM |
#19 |
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you wouldn't have a great country or industry without the contributions |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:01 PM |
#22 |
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You are confusing immigrants with illegal immigrants and the danger |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:10 PM |
#30 |
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no I'm not |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:13 PM |
#31 |
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Look, my main point is that it is unfathomable |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:19 PM |
#37 |
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different issue which requires a committment to law enforcement which |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:32 PM |
#43 |
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The Mexican people are in desperate need of a better life. |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:41 PM |
#48 |
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ridiculous |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:48 PM |
#52 |
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The Mexican government can create the atmosphere for industry to flourish |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:02 PM |
#62 |
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Are you familiar with the history of Mexico? |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 10:29 PM |
#155 |
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I hear you |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 11:04 PM |
#166 |
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Corruption on both sides of the border |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 11:17 PM |
#169 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-17-06 09:13 PM |
#108 |
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The issue isn't race. It's the dangers illegality of a porous border. n/t |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:24 PM |
#116 |
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dangers illegality?? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:42 PM |
#132 |
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illegals |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 06:36 PM |
#10 |
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And don't forget "OTM" |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 06:37 PM |
#13 |
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They are breaking our law |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:00 PM |
#21 |
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we break laws in our necessary protests sometimes. |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:08 PM |
#28 |
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Illegal Immigrants |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:14 PM |
#33 |
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The numbers and facts researched don't matter more than your own bias? |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:21 PM |
#38 |
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600,000 ILLEGAL immigrants in florida |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:29 PM |
#42 |
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you cited the economy and terrorism as your primary concerns |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:36 PM |
#45 |
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The sheer numbers have lowered the living wage standards in many industrie |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:44 PM |
#50 |
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true, but overall the effect is that these folks enhance our economy |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:50 PM |
#54 |
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I think it has been proven that isn't true. |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 08:51 PM |
#92 |
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You got a link? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:02 PM |
#97 |
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How do they do that other than sales tax? |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:05 PM |
#101 |
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They work and taxes are withheld, just like me |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:30 PM |
#125 |
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what are they using for Social Security numbers on their tax forms? |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 09:08 PM |
#106 |
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You never heard of buying a fake social security card? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:38 PM |
#128 |
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Um, it's illegal. |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 10:17 PM |
#147 |
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So is murder and robbery and driving while intoxicated |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 10:20 PM |
#149 |
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And they get locked up when they are caught |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 10:28 PM |
#154 |
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And illegals are sent back to where they came from |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 10:56 PM |
#164 |
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Why would you think I think that? |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 11:05 PM |
#167 |
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Knock knock anyone home? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-18-06 12:06 AM |
#173 |
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Knock knock that's why a fully staffed border patrol |
barb162 |
Jan-18-06 12:24 AM |
#176 |
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So do they shoot to kill or just to maim? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-18-06 12:33 AM |
#177 |
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Tell me something... |
barb162 |
Jan-18-06 12:50 AM |
#178 |
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Do you understand the meaning of the |
proud2Blib |
Jan-18-06 08:58 AM |
#180 |
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I wish the emotion level could be toned down a few notches |
barb162 |
Jan-18-06 12:40 PM |
#183 |
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Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 09:12 PM |
#107 |
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Do you know *anything* about FAIR... |
tishaLA |
Jan-18-06 01:02 PM |
#186 |
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Government To Reimburse Hospitals for Emergency Care for Illegal Aliens |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 09:26 PM |
#120 |
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Yep, we should just let them |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 10:02 PM |
#142 |
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Of course they shouldn't be allowed to die. They should be treated |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 10:27 PM |
#153 |
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And we have had this discussion on DU so many times I can't count |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 10:52 PM |
#162 |
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see post 146 which contains a study by a U of Florida |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 11:13 PM |
#168 |
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Well it has enriched my little corner of the world |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 11:41 PM |
#172 |
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They are playing the straw man game. |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 03:07 PM |
#193 |
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you ignore the sales taxes they pay and the money they put back into the |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 09:04 PM |
#100 |
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I think the sales tax comes out to next to nothing. |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 10:16 PM |
#146 |
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Immigrants Pay their Fair Share |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 10:31 PM |
#156 |
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yours is a 2001 study by U of Fl. Mine is from 2005 by Uof Florida |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 10:56 PM |
#163 |
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Illegal Immigration Costs Florida $4.3 Billion a Year, Report Says |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:00 PM |
#95 |
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looks like you're left with conservative sources |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 09:19 PM |
#112 |
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If there is something else out there I would be interested |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:26 PM |
#119 |
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I did some work in a post above. It's not my premise to defend |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 09:42 PM |
#130 |
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try this |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 09:54 PM |
#136 |
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they ignored the sales taxes that the poor pay more of as they spend more |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 10:18 PM |
#148 |
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see post 146 which contains a huge file done by a U. of Florida |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 10:33 PM |
#157 |
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to get a job they need a ss card, a fake one which allows them to pay tax |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 10:51 PM |
#160 |
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I gotta laugh /cry when you mention the fake SS card. |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 11:27 PM |
#170 |
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you laugh, but these are the ways that folks survive |
bigtree |
Jan-18-06 12:12 AM |
#174 |
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You make exellent points but my priority is with American citizens |
barb162 |
Jan-18-06 08:36 PM |
#204 |
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Come to a border state and see if you still think it's a good idea |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 03:03 PM |
#192 |
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Show me where they have lowered the 'living wage standards'. |
tyedyeto |
Jan-17-06 09:56 PM |
#138 |
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phrased wrong maybe |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 10:12 PM |
#144 |
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You obviously don't live where illegals work in construction |
tyedyeto |
Jan-17-06 10:21 PM |
#150 |
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Yes. And illegal immigrants work for below the minimum wage often. |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 03:19 PM |
#194 |
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Good lord, is that the only figure you have? |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 09:17 PM |
#110 |
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LOL |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:40 PM |
#129 |
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hehehehehe -- thanks |
LostinVA |
Jan-18-06 06:09 AM |
#179 |
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So you have a problem with 3-4 families living in a house together? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 07:52 PM |
#57 |
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It's illegal. period n/t |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:03 PM |
#63 |
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So is driving over the speed limit |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 08:06 PM |
#65 |
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I'm sorry but it's not playing on a fair playing field |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:18 PM |
#74 |
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No it is not |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 08:20 PM |
#76 |
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It's unsafe |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:21 PM |
#78 |
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PROVE IT |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 08:42 PM |
#89 |
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NOT like they do. |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 03:32 PM |
#196 |
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You know I just realized no, it isn't illegal |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 08:08 PM |
#66 |
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There are occupancy regulations in single |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:20 PM |
#77 |
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Not in my city |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 08:39 PM |
#88 |
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Or mine |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 09:18 PM |
#111 |
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We have the same thing here, occupancy standards to prevent. |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 10:39 PM |
#159 |
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They aren't choosing to live like that! |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 03:29 PM |
#195 |
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Hey I got a job for ya |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 07:13 PM |
#32 |
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Is his employee legal or illegal? I'm sure he could find a legal juvenile |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:16 PM |
#35 |
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He could find a legal juvenile |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 07:23 PM |
#40 |
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So you are condoning illegal immigration? When they illegally |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:33 PM |
#44 |
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I don't condemn anyone for trying to feed their family |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 07:52 PM |
#55 |
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problem doesn't exist? |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:09 PM |
#67 |
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Employers aren't part of the problem |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 08:14 PM |
#72 |
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Big agribusiness |
alarimer |
Jan-17-06 06:36 PM |
#11 |
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It's not only agribusiness |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:02 PM |
#23 |
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You're right of course |
alarimer |
Jan-17-06 08:58 PM |
#94 |
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If I wanted to live with closed borders |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 07:55 PM |
#59 |
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Is he still on Hannity and Colmes three time a week? n/t |
Lusted4 |
Jan-17-06 06:39 PM |
#14 |
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They're needed for jobs Americans "won't do" ie, |
gulfcoastliberal |
Jan-17-06 06:41 PM |
#15 |
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God that is an uncanny resemblance! |
Southpawkicker |
Jan-17-06 06:44 PM |
#17 |
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BS n/t |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:02 PM |
#24 |
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Was this a hit and run post? |
Southpawkicker |
Jan-17-06 06:42 PM |
#16 |
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It is a problem |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:05 PM |
#25 |
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peanutbrittle, I do not agree with you... |
two gun sid |
Jan-17-06 07:15 PM |
#34 |
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You don't know who they are. My main point is that the borders are still |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:22 PM |
#39 |
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That's assuming 9/11 wasn't aided and abetted by |
Southpawkicker |
Jan-17-06 08:32 PM |
#84 |
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Actually it's both. Without the illegals and the boss, |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 09:06 PM |
#103 |
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I blame the bosses totally. |
two gun sid |
Jan-17-06 09:21 PM |
#113 |
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I don't blame you. They are greedy bastards IMO, |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 11:33 PM |
#171 |
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when Bill Clinton was president all incomes rose |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:19 PM |
#36 |
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I'm not blaming them. I'm blaming the system a calling |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:25 PM |
#41 |
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someone killed? |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:40 PM |
#47 |
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I'm talking about terrorist activity crossing our borders and |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:42 PM |
#49 |
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could happen. I still don't think the solution is the expulsion and |
bigtree |
Jan-17-06 07:52 PM |
#56 |
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No you're not, you're talking about "illegals" |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 09:23 PM |
#115 |
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So what do you propose to do...nothing? |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:28 PM |
#122 |
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Doubt it! |
Southpawkicker |
Jan-17-06 08:30 PM |
#82 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-17-06 06:46 PM |
#18 |
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How do you know there are not? |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:07 PM |
#27 |
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But, but, "no new attacks since 9/11!" |
Bluebear |
Jan-17-06 07:10 PM |
#29 |
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boom |
bpilgrim |
Jan-17-06 08:19 PM |
#75 |
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The abundance of ILLEGAL immigrants storming across the border |
Kansas Wyatt |
Jan-17-06 07:38 PM |
#46 |
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Thank you ....and to add |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 07:47 PM |
#51 |
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WHAT TERRORIST ACTIVITY???? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 07:59 PM |
#60 |
| -
shhhhhh |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 08:01 PM |
#61 |
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But, but, I am wondering if I should go watch I-35 |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 08:05 PM |
#64 |
| -
OMG |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 08:13 PM |
#71 |
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Watch out! I done heared they dress like migrant workers |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 09:25 PM |
#117 |
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They may be carrying almanacs, too! nt |
Bluebear |
Jan-17-06 08:33 PM |
#85 |
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OMG!! Would they be SPANISH almanacs??? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 08:43 PM |
#90 |
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You are being naive IMO |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:36 PM |
#87 |
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No you are the naive one |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 08:50 PM |
#91 |
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This is where I will stop. n/t |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:55 PM |
#93 |
| -
You don't believe that illegal immigration is a legitimate debate? |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:03 PM |
#98 |
| -
I thought you were going to stop |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:26 PM |
#118 |
| -
So what do you propose to do...nothing? |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:31 PM |
#126 |
| -
I celebrate the diversity in our society |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:32 PM |
#127 |
| -
5 of the WTC hijackers came through the Canadian border illegally |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 03:38 PM |
#197 |
| -
Here's where you went wrong. |
skids |
Jan-17-06 08:10 PM |
#68 |
| -
I don't have a problem with being scrutinized |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 08:28 PM |
#81 |
| -
Also, having multiple replies of "you will not convince me otherwise" in a |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Jan-17-06 09:21 PM |
#114 |
| -
I really don't care how it's received |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:46 PM |
#133 |
| -
I have no doubt that you don't care how it's received, LOL. |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Jan-17-06 09:50 PM |
#134 |
| -
For the last time we can't secure any of the borders. We never |
Cleita |
Jan-17-06 08:12 PM |
#69 |
| -
Egh? What's that you say, J.D. Hayworth is worthless? You got that right |
lonestarnot |
Jan-17-06 08:14 PM |
#73 |
| -
Desperate, poor people, trying to survive are our "enemy". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-17-06 08:27 PM |
#80 |
| -
They aren't our enemy |
barb162 |
Jan-17-06 09:03 PM |
#99 |
| -
Deal With Illegal Immigration By Addressing Demand, Not Supply |
loindelrio |
Jan-17-06 08:31 PM |
#83 |
| -
anyone thats supports open borders |
alfred e bush |
Jan-17-06 09:01 PM |
#96 |
| -
And anyone that supports walls around our country |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-06 09:06 PM |
#102 |
| -
*yawn* |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 09:28 PM |
#121 |
| -
Or they just must enjoy living in a free country |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:54 PM |
#135 |
| -
Some things never change |
RGBolen |
Jan-17-06 09:07 PM |
#104 |
| -
Yup -- my mom's family si Irish, and I've heard the stories |
LostinVA |
Jan-17-06 09:29 PM |
#124 |
| -
Allow me to add this to your post: |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:56 PM |
#137 |
| -
Where do you live? |
tyedyeto |
Jan-17-06 09:08 PM |
#105 |
| -
The Mexican border is the most porous and the most at risk |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:16 PM |
#109 |
| -
JD Hayworth is still a repuke of the worst sort. |
tyedyeto |
Jan-17-06 09:28 PM |
#123 |
| -
I equivocate Hayworth with guys like Feeney of FL |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 09:42 PM |
#131 |
| -
Allow me to answer your question: |
proud2Blib |
Jan-17-06 09:57 PM |
#139 |
| -
I'm ROTFLMAO |
tyedyeto |
Jan-17-06 10:00 PM |
#140 |
| -
Borders that keep others out can keep us IN... |
Nikki Stone 1 |
Jan-17-06 10:01 PM |
#141 |
| -
hopefully OK will subsidize the $9b cross border economy |
mitchtv |
Jan-17-06 10:06 PM |
#143 |
| -
what would you suggest |
Innocent Smith |
Jan-17-06 10:13 PM |
#145 |
| -
Sheila Jackson Lee {D} TX, on illegal immigration |
nomatrix |
Jan-17-06 10:21 PM |
#151 |
| -
Thank you..I'm listening to this now |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-17-06 10:34 PM |
#158 |
| -
Sheila Jackson said that we needed better funding for the |
Cleita |
Jan-18-06 12:31 PM |
#182 |
| -
Nice slap, Clieta. |
nomatrix |
Jan-18-06 06:32 PM |
#202 |
| -
Since I posted that I have accessed and am reading |
Cleita |
Jan-18-06 06:43 PM |
#203 |
| -
Has she mentioned the other illegal immigrants, the European |
Cleita |
Jan-18-06 12:14 PM |
#181 |
| -
yep |
july302001 |
Jan-18-06 12:16 AM |
#175 |
| -
I dont like to get into these illegal immigration arguments |
pointblank |
Jan-18-06 12:41 PM |
#184 |
| -
This won't be popular here on DU |
hogwyld |
Jan-18-06 01:00 PM |
#185 |
| -
Excellent post. Thank you for sharing. |
AZBlue |
Jan-18-06 03:42 PM |
#198 |
| -
Thanks! Nice to know |
hogwyld |
Jan-18-06 04:14 PM |
#200 |
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We're something like 70 miles north of the border |
Disorganized |
Jan-18-06 02:05 PM |
#187 |
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Janet Napolitano is going to steal J.D.'s thunder. |
Balbus |
Jan-18-06 02:21 PM |
#190 |
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JD Hayworth is slime...but nonetheless |
HughLefty1 |
Jan-18-06 02:34 PM |
#191 |
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I am sensitive... |
dryan |
Jan-18-06 03:43 PM |
#199 |
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I'm beginning to wonder if Fox doesn't have something |
peanutbrittle |
Jan-18-06 04:23 PM |
#201 |
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A few quick links that debunk some of the anti-immigrant |
Maestro |
Jan-19-06 06:04 AM |
#206 |
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Fuckin' A. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-20-06 08:41 PM |
#208 |
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