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74. thanks for educating me...
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 06:27 PM by voter x
actually I am an avid reader of Jabotinsky and many of the early Zionist. I don't agree with them either. My analogy would favor the native americans and the jews sharing more like qualities.

I stand firm by the fact that it is NOT LEBANON, THE LEBANESE PEOPLE WHO WE ARE TARGETING, BUT THE COCKROACHES THAT ARE INFESTING THEIR COUNTRY.

Is that so hard to understand?

One Truth and Not Two
by Uri Zvi Greenberg

(interpreted from Hebrew by Laurence Cramer)

Your Rabbis taught: A land is bought with money
You buy the land and work it with a hoe.
And I say: A land is not bought with money
And with a hoe you also dig and bury the dead.
And I say: A land is conquered with blood.
And only when conquered with blood is hallowed to the people
With the holiness of the blood.
And only one who follows after the cannon in the field,
Thus wins the right to follow after his good plow
On this, the field that was conquered.
And only such a field gives nourishing and healthy bread
And the house which arises on its hill is truly a fortress and a temple,
Because in this field there is honorable blood.
Your Rabbis taught: The messiah will come in future generations:
And Judea will arise without fire and without blood.
It will arise with every tree, with every additional house.
And I say: If your generation will be slow
And will not grasp in its hands and forcibly mold its future
And in fire will not come with the Shield of David
And in blood will not come with its horses saddled -
The Messiah will not come even in a far off generation.
Judea will not arise.
And you will be living slaves to every foreign ruler.
Your houses will be straw for the sparks of every wicked one.
And your trees will be cut down with their ripe fruit.
And a man will react the same as a babe
To the sword of the enemy -
And only your ramblings will remain - yours...
And your statue, an eternal curse.
Your Rabbis taught: There is one truth for the nations:
Blood for blood - but it is not a truth for Jews.
And I say: There is one truth and not two.
As there is one sun and as there are not two Jerusalems.
It was written in the Law of Conquest of Moses and Joshua
Until the last of my kings and my traitors have consumed.
And there will be a day when from the river of Egypt until the Euphrates
And from the sea until the mountain passes of Moav my boys will go up
And they will call my enemies and my haters to the last battle.
And the blood will decide: Who is the only ruler here.


eom.



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  Are Hezbollah and Israel morally equivalent? Clarkie1  Jul-18-06 02:21 PM   #0 
   YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!!!  voter x   Jul-18-06 02:22 PM   #1 
   Why?  Bleachers7   Jul-18-06 02:22 PM   #2 
   Because  voter x   Jul-18-06 02:24 PM   #3 
      There are none  Bleachers7   Jul-18-06 02:25 PM   #5 
      huh?  bloom   Jul-18-06 02:55 PM   #36 
      Which country was that?  voter x   Jul-18-06 03:00 PM   #44 
         I am sure that the people who were living there  bloom   Jul-18-06 04:18 PM   #61 
         go on and enlighten me with your knowledge....  voter x   Jul-18-06 04:27 PM   #63 
         As if you would believe anything other than the propaganda  bloom   Jul-18-06 04:35 PM   #64 
         oh really...  voter x   Jul-18-06 04:43 PM   #65 
            Well you know what  bloom   Jul-18-06 05:34 PM   #73 
            thanks for educating me...  voter x   Jul-18-06 06:06 PM   #74 
               Perhaps that's why Israelis also dislike Palestinian christians, since..  Leopolds Ghost   Jul-18-06 07:56 PM   #84 
               Bullshit it isn't the Lebanese people they're targeting!  liberalhistorian   Jul-18-06 11:41 PM   #94 
            Jews left, for whatever reason, after the Bar Kochba uprising  mycritters2   Jul-18-06 06:37 PM   #78 
               And for how many THOUSANDS of years were the Jews there?  TankLV   Jul-19-06 12:50 AM   #100 
                  That will matter when you move away from wherever you live,  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 01:08 PM   #122 
                  Actually, it probably wasn't a lot longer than that  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 02:15 PM   #125 
         Again, you're wrong on your history  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 02:20 PM   #126 
            thanks, I too love Wikipedia.  voter x   Jul-19-06 02:44 PM   #130 
               Wikipedia, Hell  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 03:22 PM   #132 
                  sure,  voter x   Jul-19-06 03:35 PM   #135 
                     A covenant is a two-way street  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 04:07 PM   #136 
                        unfortunately  voter x   Jul-19-06 04:15 PM   #137 
                           Rationalizing violations of Torah won't help  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 04:51 PM   #141 
                              the last thing I do  voter x   Jul-19-06 05:03 PM   #142 
                                 Who said anything about lengthy exposition?  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 05:14 PM   #143 
                                    not you,  voter x   Jul-19-06 05:57 PM   #150 
                                       I hope it won't  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 06:05 PM   #152 
         You are MISTAKEN  hawkowl88   Jul-19-06 12:55 PM   #121 
         It's damn past time to  liberalhistorian   Jul-18-06 11:37 PM   #93 
         The oppressed have become the oppressors  martymar64   Jul-19-06 05:30 PM   #146 
            genocide on what scale?  voter x   Jul-19-06 06:02 PM   #151 
      Amen!  omenapoint   Jul-19-06 12:36 PM   #119 
      FIND THE FACTS  pcoresearch   Jul-19-06 03:23 PM   #133 
   The OP learned a very biased polling technique  AnOhioan   Jul-18-06 11:31 PM   #91 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-18-06 02:25 PM   #4 
   The length of that red bar is a measure of the level naivite here on DU.  Clarkie1   Jul-18-06 02:27 PM   #6 
   Well its good to see you setup a poll just so you could belittle anyone  Bretttido   Jul-18-06 02:28 PM   #9 
   Exactly right. Excellent poll, btw.  T Town Jake   Jul-18-06 02:31 PM   #12 
   I too am disgusted to see DUers...  Scurrilous   Jul-18-06 02:57 PM   #40 
   I'm disgusted with anti-semitism in general.  Leopolds Ghost   Jul-18-06 08:02 PM   #85 
   Me too, unfortunately.  TankLV   Jul-19-06 12:51 AM   #101 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-18-06 06:25 PM   #75 
   This is nothing but flamebait.  Bretttido   Jul-18-06 02:27 PM   #7 
   Because it is better for us to avoid ugly truths  bryant69   Jul-18-06 02:29 PM   #10 
   the History of the Jews  voter x   Jul-18-06 02:34 PM   #20 
      OK. I don't know you are talking about, but ok.  bryant69   Jul-18-06 02:43 PM   #30 
      in reference to your illusion comment  voter x   Jul-18-06 02:52 PM   #35 
      Which gives them NO right to turn around and  liberalhistorian   Jul-18-06 11:43 PM   #95 
         Not another race  mycritters2   Jul-19-06 03:23 PM   #134 
   I agree n/t  Pepper32   Jul-18-06 02:55 PM   #37 
   I Agree (nt)  stepnw1f   Jul-18-06 03:02 PM   #45 
   This may get locked  bryant69   Jul-18-06 02:27 PM   #8 
   what's with the bait and switch?  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 02:29 PM   #11 
   If Hezbolla had nukes, the question would be answered in one word...  cigsandcoffee   Jul-18-06 02:31 PM   #13 
   They are hate-filled religious fanatics and wouldn't hesitate to use nukes  MGD   Jul-18-06 02:41 PM   #29 
      No doubt about it. That is their goal, too.  TankLV   Jul-19-06 12:53 AM   #102 
   Actually, the question posted is not complex.  Clarkie1   Jul-18-06 02:32 PM   #14 
   While I generally agree with you; there are no basic simple truths  bryant69   Jul-18-06 02:33 PM   # 
   the question in the poll is not the question in the subject line  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 02:33 PM   #18 
   What gives you faith in their moderation?  cigsandcoffee   Jul-18-06 02:35 PM   #21 
      they are politically astute  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 02:38 PM   #24 
      What on earth makes you think they're politically astute?  cigsandcoffee   Jul-18-06 02:57 PM   #39 
      "bleeding heart nutjobs" -??  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 03:50 PM   #48 
         I'll define "bleeding heart nutjobs."  cigsandcoffee   Jul-18-06 04:01 PM   #51 
            I never stated common cause with EITHER side in this conflict  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 04:07 PM   #53 
               What do you think Hezbolla wants?  cigsandcoffee   Jul-18-06 04:10 PM   #55 
                  hezbollah wants the same thing Likud wants--  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 04:11 PM   #56 
                     and only war guarantees power  burythehatchet   Jul-18-06 04:18 PM   #62 
                     bullshit.  cali   Jul-18-06 05:18 PM   #71 
                        And Likud is hardly coy about theirs. Hezbollah aren't nice guys  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 06:31 PM   #77 
                        Let's not forget that Likud wants to wipe Palestine off the map.  Leopolds Ghost   Jul-18-06 08:12 PM   #87 
                           Ahh - revisionst history masquerading as fact again.  TankLV   Jul-19-06 12:54 AM   #103 
                              who is "we"  leftofthedial   Jul-19-06 01:51 AM   #112 
      Thank you for telling it like it is. It sickens me that so many  coalition_unwilling   Jul-18-06 04:12 PM   #57 
      Yeah, they're so  cali   Jul-18-06 05:13 PM   #70 
         by comparison to Likud's Israel  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 06:43 PM   #79 
      Because they know that if they nuke Israel, they won't be able to...  JVS   Jul-18-06 04:46 PM   #67 
   Sounds like the same rationale Bush used to invade iraq  Mandate My Ass   Jul-18-06 02:35 PM   #22 
   Exactly  Bretttido   Jul-18-06 02:37 PM   #23 
   Its a push poll  martymar64   Jul-19-06 05:41 PM   #147 
   Nothing "complex" about it:  T Town Jake   Jul-18-06 02:33 PM   # 
      and you know this how?  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 03:58 PM   #49 
         Ah, change the subject. Neato "debate" tactic...  T Town Jake   Jul-18-06 04:12 PM   #58 
         Mr. Mature, based on what neato evidence  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 04:58 PM   #68 
            Oh, I dunno -  TankLV   Jul-19-06 12:59 AM   #105 
               Israel uses their military to attack Palestinian communities  leftofthedial   Jul-19-06 11:57 AM   #115 
         Israel already has nukes. It's a proven fact. They have already shown  TankLV   Jul-19-06 12:57 AM   #104 
   If Hezbollah were a nation with nukes and Israel was a small  Dhalgren   Jul-18-06 02:32 PM   #15 
   Indeed. Because any Jews not killed would have long since fled.  cigsandcoffee   Jul-18-06 02:34 PM   #19 
   The "aims" of a nation and the "aims" of a small militia are not the  Dhalgren   Jul-18-06 02:39 PM   #26 
      Hexbolla is far from a "small militia"  cigsandcoffee   Jul-18-06 02:46 PM   #32 
         We may not be "talking" it, but we aren't far from it...  Dhalgren   Jul-18-06 02:49 PM   #33 
         We're light years from it.  cigsandcoffee   Jul-18-06 02:56 PM   #38 
            The only people kidding themselves here, is the "Israelis firsters"  Dhalgren   Jul-18-06 02:59 PM   #41 
         compared to Israel, Hezbollah is small  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 05:02 PM   #69 
   That wasn't a choice though.  MGD   Jul-18-06 02:38 PM   #25 
      by "all things remaining equal," do you mean remaining as they are  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 06:46 PM   #80 
      I mean if everything else remained unchanged  MGD   Jul-18-06 07:44 PM   #82 
         We disagree.  leftofthedial   Jul-18-06 08:12 PM   #86 
            They are committed to destroying Israel  MGD   Jul-18-06 11:23 PM   #88 
            It would take multiple nukes to "solve" the Jewish problem  leftofthedial   Jul-19-06 01:12 AM   #110 
            Yes. They are. Stupid. Very Stupid.  TankLV   Jul-19-06 01:00 AM   #106 
               evidence?  leftofthedial   Jul-19-06 01:14 AM   #111 
      But they don't and never will have nukes.  martymar64   Jul-19-06 05:49 PM   #148 
   I don't know Hezbollah  whosinpower   Jul-18-06 02:33 PM   #16 
   reality is not black & white  maxsolomon   Jul-18-06 02:33 PM   #17 
   unintentionally, one of the funnier remarks  cali   Jul-18-06 02:39 PM   #27 
   yeah, its a crack up  maxsolomon   Jul-18-06 03:12 PM   #47 
   But but but... what about the Axis of EVIL???  Bretttido   Jul-18-06 02:39 PM   #28 
   it's not a question of "morality" but of "realpolitik"  tocqueville   Jul-18-06 02:46 PM   #31 
   Maybe it should be asked  azurnoir   Jul-18-06 02:49 PM   #34 
   The question doesn't make sense  bloom   Jul-18-06 03:00 PM   #42 
   hEZBOLLAH IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION  PHXModerate   Jul-18-06 03:00 PM   #43 
   No. n/t  Laotra   Jul-18-06 04:15 PM   #59 
   Israel has never made a serious effort to live in peace.  ThomCat   Jul-18-06 06:28 PM   #76 
      I can't believe you two.  TankLV   Jul-19-06 01:02 AM   #108 
         We know history.  ThomCat   Jul-19-06 12:34 PM   #117 
   A Just War doesn't justify ANY means  Libertino   Jul-18-06 03:06 PM   #46 
   "Just war"  Laotra   Jul-18-06 04:16 PM   #60 
   Correction: Hezbollah is an ORGANIZATION, part of which holds political  ShortnFiery   Jul-18-06 05:25 PM   #72 
   What is this, crappy poll day on DU?  burythehatchet   Jul-18-06 04:00 PM   #50 
   Moral equivalence  Laotra   Jul-18-06 04:06 PM   #52 
   I belive the Israel will be the first to drop a nuclear weapon.  xultar   Jul-18-06 04:07 PM   #54 
   Only in the face of annihilation IMO.  MGD   Jul-18-06 11:26 PM   #89 
   Why? They already have it, and have yet to use it.  TankLV   Jul-19-06 01:05 AM   #109 
   How about Hezbollah and the Continental Regulars?  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-18-06 04:45 PM   #66 
   *snarf*  Lilith Velkor   Jul-18-06 07:45 PM   #83 
   It's impossible to know for sure  fujiyama   Jul-18-06 07:40 PM   #81 
   Oh geez, another talking point  mmonk   Jul-18-06 11:28 PM   #90 
   This is the stupidest thing I've seen since Bush groped the Chancellor.  rug   Jul-18-06 11:35 PM   #92 
   What a bullshit poll.  Zhade   Jul-18-06 11:49 PM   #96 
   True  mmonk   Jul-19-06 12:29 AM   #98 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-18-06 11:57 PM   #97 
   I can't believe anybody would believe that first one!  TankLV   Jul-19-06 12:48 AM   #99 
   Would the survivors use their sticks & stones against the other survivors?  Dr Fate   Jul-19-06 01:01 AM   #107 
   33%. Incredible, absolutely incredible.  Clarkie1   Jul-19-06 02:26 AM   #113 
   Hezbolla. Moral. Restraint  Freedom_Aflaim   Jul-19-06 03:06 AM   #114 
   It wouldn't be "Moral Restraint". It would be an understanding...  norml   Jul-19-06 01:19 PM   #123 
   that is a silly poll.  oc2002   Jul-19-06 12:32 PM   #116 
   guess what?  leftofthedial   Jul-19-06 12:36 PM   #118 
   What does that have to do with the OP? nt  Clarkie1   Jul-19-06 01:44 PM   #124 
      it has to do with our collective inability  leftofthedial   Jul-20-06 10:38 AM   #153 
   Hezbollah exists only to destroy Israel. It's their mission statement.  El Fuego   Jul-19-06 12:43 PM   #120 
   There are PRODUCTIVE and LIFE-PROMOTING aspects to some segments  ShortnFiery   Jul-19-06 02:23 PM   #128 
      Their own words  El Fuego   Jul-19-06 02:41 PM   #129 
         Well here's a clue: Israel best WORK WITH them more because  ShortnFiery   Jul-19-06 02:46 PM   #131 
   It doesnt shock me  atomicdawg38   Jul-19-06 02:21 PM   #127 
   Israel has not vowed to wipe a whole people out  noonwitch   Jul-19-06 04:25 PM   #138 
   But that's their intent, whether they say explicitly or not  martymar64   Jul-19-06 05:55 PM   #149 
   #2  cracksquirrel   Jul-19-06 04:28 PM   #139 
   I don't know, but think this  MoseyWalker   Jul-19-06 04:34 PM   #140 
   I've got a survey construction book you can borrow.  izzybeans   Jul-19-06 05:14 PM   #144 
   Israel would cease to exist...  bridgit   Jul-19-06 05:16 PM   #145 
 

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