voter x
(203 posts)
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Tue Jul-18-06 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #73 |
| 74. thanks for educating me... |
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Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 06:27 PM by voter x
actually I am an avid reader of Jabotinsky and many of the early Zionist. I don't agree with them either. My analogy would favor the native americans and the jews sharing more like qualities.
I stand firm by the fact that it is NOT LEBANON, THE LEBANESE PEOPLE WHO WE ARE TARGETING, BUT THE COCKROACHES THAT ARE INFESTING THEIR COUNTRY.
Is that so hard to understand?
One Truth and Not Two by Uri Zvi Greenberg
(interpreted from Hebrew by Laurence Cramer)
Your Rabbis taught: A land is bought with money You buy the land and work it with a hoe. And I say: A land is not bought with money And with a hoe you also dig and bury the dead. And I say: A land is conquered with blood. And only when conquered with blood is hallowed to the people With the holiness of the blood. And only one who follows after the cannon in the field, Thus wins the right to follow after his good plow On this, the field that was conquered. And only such a field gives nourishing and healthy bread And the house which arises on its hill is truly a fortress and a temple, Because in this field there is honorable blood. Your Rabbis taught: The messiah will come in future generations: And Judea will arise without fire and without blood. It will arise with every tree, with every additional house. And I say: If your generation will be slow And will not grasp in its hands and forcibly mold its future And in fire will not come with the Shield of David And in blood will not come with its horses saddled - The Messiah will not come even in a far off generation. Judea will not arise. And you will be living slaves to every foreign ruler. Your houses will be straw for the sparks of every wicked one. And your trees will be cut down with their ripe fruit. And a man will react the same as a babe To the sword of the enemy - And only your ramblings will remain - yours... And your statue, an eternal curse. Your Rabbis taught: There is one truth for the nations: Blood for blood - but it is not a truth for Jews. And I say: There is one truth and not two. As there is one sun and as there are not two Jerusalems. It was written in the Law of Conquest of Moses and Joshua Until the last of my kings and my traitors have consumed. And there will be a day when from the river of Egypt until the Euphrates And from the sea until the mountain passes of Moav my boys will go up And they will call my enemies and my haters to the last battle. And the blood will decide: Who is the only ruler here.
eom.
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Are Hezbollah and Israel morally equivalent? |
Clarkie1 |
Jul-18-06 02:21 PM |
#0 |

YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!!! |
voter x |
Jul-18-06 02:22 PM |
#1 |
 
Why? |
Bleachers7 |
Jul-18-06 02:22 PM |
#2 |
  
Because |
voter x |
Jul-18-06 02:24 PM |
#3 |
 
There are none |
Bleachers7 |
Jul-18-06 02:25 PM |
#5 |
 
huh? |
bloom |
Jul-18-06 02:55 PM |
#36 |
  
Which country was that? |
voter x |
Jul-18-06 03:00 PM |
#44 |
 
I am sure that the people who were living there |
bloom |
Jul-18-06 04:18 PM |
#61 |
  
go on and enlighten me with your knowledge.... |
voter x |
Jul-18-06 04:27 PM |
#63 |
   
As if you would believe anything other than the propaganda |
bloom |
Jul-18-06 04:35 PM |
#64 |
    
oh really... |
voter x |
Jul-18-06 04:43 PM |
#65 |
   
Well you know what |
bloom |
Jul-18-06 05:34 PM |
#73 |
    
thanks for educating me... |
voter x |
Jul-18-06 06:06 PM |
#74 |
   
Perhaps that's why Israelis also dislike Palestinian christians, since.. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-18-06 07:56 PM |
#84 |
   
Bullshit it isn't the Lebanese people they're targeting! |
liberalhistorian |
Jul-18-06 11:41 PM |
#94 |
   
Jews left, for whatever reason, after the Bar Kochba uprising |
mycritters2 |
Jul-18-06 06:37 PM |
#78 |
   
And for how many THOUSANDS of years were the Jews there? |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 12:50 AM |
#100 |
   
That will matter when you move away from wherever you live, |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 01:08 PM |
#122 |
   
Actually, it probably wasn't a lot longer than that |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 02:15 PM |
#125 |
   
Again, you're wrong on your history |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 02:20 PM |
#126 |
  
thanks, I too love Wikipedia. |
voter x |
Jul-19-06 02:44 PM |
#130 |
  
Wikipedia, Hell |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 03:22 PM |
#132 |
  
sure, |
voter x |
Jul-19-06 03:35 PM |
#135 |
  
A covenant is a two-way street |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 04:07 PM |
#136 |
  
unfortunately |
voter x |
Jul-19-06 04:15 PM |
#137 |
  
Rationalizing violations of Torah won't help |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 04:51 PM |
#141 |
  
the last thing I do |
voter x |
Jul-19-06 05:03 PM |
#142 |
  
Who said anything about lengthy exposition? |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 05:14 PM |
#143 |
  
not you, |
voter x |
Jul-19-06 05:57 PM |
#150 |
  
I hope it won't |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 06:05 PM |
#152 |
  
You are MISTAKEN |
hawkowl88 |
Jul-19-06 12:55 PM |
#121 |
 
It's damn past time to |
liberalhistorian |
Jul-18-06 11:37 PM |
#93 |
 
The oppressed have become the oppressors |
martymar64 |
Jul-19-06 05:30 PM |
#146 |
 
genocide on what scale? |
voter x |
Jul-19-06 06:02 PM |
#151 |
 
Amen! |
omenapoint |
Jul-19-06 12:36 PM |
#119 |
 
FIND THE FACTS |
pcoresearch |
Jul-19-06 03:23 PM |
#133 |
 
The OP learned a very biased polling technique |
AnOhioan |
Jul-18-06 11:31 PM |
#91 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-18-06 02:25 PM |
#4 |
 
The length of that red bar is a measure of the level naivite here on DU. |
Clarkie1 |
Jul-18-06 02:27 PM |
#6 |
  
Well its good to see you setup a poll just so you could belittle anyone |
Bretttido |
Jul-18-06 02:28 PM |
#9 |
  
Exactly right. Excellent poll, btw. |
T Town Jake |
Jul-18-06 02:31 PM |
#12 |
 
I too am disgusted to see DUers... |
Scurrilous |
Jul-18-06 02:57 PM |
#40 |
  
I'm disgusted with anti-semitism in general. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-18-06 08:02 PM |
#85 |
  
Me too, unfortunately. |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 12:51 AM |
#101 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-18-06 06:25 PM |
#75 |

This is nothing but flamebait. |
Bretttido |
Jul-18-06 02:27 PM |
#7 |
 
Because it is better for us to avoid ugly truths |
bryant69 |
Jul-18-06 02:29 PM |
#10 |
  
the History of the Jews |
voter x |
Jul-18-06 02:34 PM |
#20 |
 
OK. I don't know you are talking about, but ok. |
bryant69 |
Jul-18-06 02:43 PM |
#30 |
  
in reference to your illusion comment |
voter x |
Jul-18-06 02:52 PM |
#35 |
 
Which gives them NO right to turn around and |
liberalhistorian |
Jul-18-06 11:43 PM |
#95 |
 
Not another race |
mycritters2 |
Jul-19-06 03:23 PM |
#134 |
 
I agree n/t |
Pepper32 |
Jul-18-06 02:55 PM |
#37 |
 
I Agree (nt) |
stepnw1f |
Jul-18-06 03:02 PM |
#45 |

This may get locked |
bryant69 |
Jul-18-06 02:27 PM |
#8 |

what's with the bait and switch? |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 02:29 PM |
#11 |
 
If Hezbolla had nukes, the question would be answered in one word... |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-18-06 02:31 PM |
#13 |
  
They are hate-filled religious fanatics and wouldn't hesitate to use nukes |
MGD |
Jul-18-06 02:41 PM |
#29 |
 
No doubt about it. That is their goal, too. |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 12:53 AM |
#102 |
 
Actually, the question posted is not complex. |
Clarkie1 |
Jul-18-06 02:32 PM |
#14 |
  
While I generally agree with you; there are no basic simple truths |
bryant69 |
Jul-18-06 02:33 PM |
# |
  
the question in the poll is not the question in the subject line |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 02:33 PM |
#18 |
   
What gives you faith in their moderation? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-18-06 02:35 PM |
#21 |
  
they are politically astute |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 02:38 PM |
#24 |
   
What on earth makes you think they're politically astute? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-18-06 02:57 PM |
#39 |
    
"bleeding heart nutjobs" -?? |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 03:50 PM |
#48 |
   
I'll define "bleeding heart nutjobs." |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-18-06 04:01 PM |
#51 |
   
I never stated common cause with EITHER side in this conflict |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 04:07 PM |
#53 |
   
What do you think Hezbolla wants? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-18-06 04:10 PM |
#55 |
   
hezbollah wants the same thing Likud wants-- |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 04:11 PM |
#56 |
   
and only war guarantees power |
burythehatchet |
Jul-18-06 04:18 PM |
#62 |
   
bullshit. |
cali |
Jul-18-06 05:18 PM |
#71 |
   
And Likud is hardly coy about theirs. Hezbollah aren't nice guys |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 06:31 PM |
#77 |
   
Let's not forget that Likud wants to wipe Palestine off the map. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-18-06 08:12 PM |
#87 |
   
Ahh - revisionst history masquerading as fact again. |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 12:54 AM |
#103 |
   
who is "we" |
leftofthedial |
Jul-19-06 01:51 AM |
#112 |
   
Thank you for telling it like it is. It sickens me that so many |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-18-06 04:12 PM |
#57 |
   
Yeah, they're so |
cali |
Jul-18-06 05:13 PM |
#70 |
  
by comparison to Likud's Israel |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 06:43 PM |
#79 |
  
Because they know that if they nuke Israel, they won't be able to... |
JVS |
Jul-18-06 04:46 PM |
#67 |
  
Sounds like the same rationale Bush used to invade iraq |
Mandate My Ass |
Jul-18-06 02:35 PM |
#22 |
   
Exactly |
Bretttido |
Jul-18-06 02:37 PM |
#23 |
  
Its a push poll |
martymar64 |
Jul-19-06 05:41 PM |
#147 |
 
Nothing "complex" about it: |
T Town Jake |
Jul-18-06 02:33 PM |
# |

and you know this how? |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 03:58 PM |
#49 |

Ah, change the subject. Neato "debate" tactic... |
T Town Jake |
Jul-18-06 04:12 PM |
#58 |
 
Mr. Mature, based on what neato evidence |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 04:58 PM |
#68 |

Oh, I dunno - |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 12:59 AM |
#105 |

Israel uses their military to attack Palestinian communities |
leftofthedial |
Jul-19-06 11:57 AM |
#115 |

Israel already has nukes. It's a proven fact. They have already shown |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 12:57 AM |
#104 |

If Hezbollah were a nation with nukes and Israel was a small |
Dhalgren |
Jul-18-06 02:32 PM |
#15 |
 
Indeed. Because any Jews not killed would have long since fled. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-18-06 02:34 PM |
#19 |
  
The "aims" of a nation and the "aims" of a small militia are not the |
Dhalgren |
Jul-18-06 02:39 PM |
#26 |
 
Hexbolla is far from a "small militia" |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-18-06 02:46 PM |
#32 |
 
We may not be "talking" it, but we aren't far from it... |
Dhalgren |
Jul-18-06 02:49 PM |
#33 |
  
We're light years from it. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jul-18-06 02:56 PM |
#38 |
 
The only people kidding themselves here, is the "Israelis firsters" |
Dhalgren |
Jul-18-06 02:59 PM |
#41 |
 
compared to Israel, Hezbollah is small |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 05:02 PM |
#69 |
 
That wasn't a choice though. |
MGD |
Jul-18-06 02:38 PM |
#25 |

by "all things remaining equal," do you mean remaining as they are |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 06:46 PM |
#80 |
 
I mean if everything else remained unchanged |
MGD |
Jul-18-06 07:44 PM |
#82 |

We disagree. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-18-06 08:12 PM |
#86 |

They are committed to destroying Israel |
MGD |
Jul-18-06 11:23 PM |
#88 |
 
It would take multiple nukes to "solve" the Jewish problem |
leftofthedial |
Jul-19-06 01:12 AM |
#110 |

Yes. They are. Stupid. Very Stupid. |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 01:00 AM |
#106 |

evidence? |
leftofthedial |
Jul-19-06 01:14 AM |
#111 |

But they don't and never will have nukes. |
martymar64 |
Jul-19-06 05:49 PM |
#148 |

I don't know Hezbollah |
whosinpower |
Jul-18-06 02:33 PM |
#16 |

reality is not black & white |
maxsolomon |
Jul-18-06 02:33 PM |
#17 |
 
unintentionally, one of the funnier remarks |
cali |
Jul-18-06 02:39 PM |
#27 |
  
yeah, its a crack up |
maxsolomon |
Jul-18-06 03:12 PM |
#47 |
 
But but but... what about the Axis of EVIL??? |
Bretttido |
Jul-18-06 02:39 PM |
#28 |

it's not a question of "morality" but of "realpolitik" |
tocqueville |
Jul-18-06 02:46 PM |
#31 |

Maybe it should be asked |
azurnoir |
Jul-18-06 02:49 PM |
#34 |

The question doesn't make sense |
bloom |
Jul-18-06 03:00 PM |
#42 |

hEZBOLLAH IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION |
PHXModerate |
Jul-18-06 03:00 PM |
#43 |
 
No. n/t |
Laotra |
Jul-18-06 04:15 PM |
#59 |
 
Israel has never made a serious effort to live in peace. |
ThomCat |
Jul-18-06 06:28 PM |
#76 |

I can't believe you two. |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 01:02 AM |
#108 |

We know history. |
ThomCat |
Jul-19-06 12:34 PM |
#117 |

A Just War doesn't justify ANY means |
Libertino |
Jul-18-06 03:06 PM |
#46 |
 
"Just war" |
Laotra |
Jul-18-06 04:16 PM |
#60 |
 
Correction: Hezbollah is an ORGANIZATION, part of which holds political |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-18-06 05:25 PM |
#72 |

What is this, crappy poll day on DU? |
burythehatchet |
Jul-18-06 04:00 PM |
#50 |

Moral equivalence |
Laotra |
Jul-18-06 04:06 PM |
#52 |

I belive the Israel will be the first to drop a nuclear weapon. |
xultar |
Jul-18-06 04:07 PM |
#54 |
 
Only in the face of annihilation IMO. |
MGD |
Jul-18-06 11:26 PM |
#89 |
 
Why? They already have it, and have yet to use it. |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 01:05 AM |
#109 |

How about Hezbollah and the Continental Regulars? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-18-06 04:45 PM |
#66 |
 
*snarf* |
Lilith Velkor |
Jul-18-06 07:45 PM |
#83 |

It's impossible to know for sure |
fujiyama |
Jul-18-06 07:40 PM |
#81 |

Oh geez, another talking point |
mmonk |
Jul-18-06 11:28 PM |
#90 |

This is the stupidest thing I've seen since Bush groped the Chancellor. |
rug |
Jul-18-06 11:35 PM |
#92 |

What a bullshit poll. |
Zhade |
Jul-18-06 11:49 PM |
#96 |
 
True |
mmonk |
Jul-19-06 12:29 AM |
#98 |

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Name removed |
Jul-18-06 11:57 PM |
#97 |

I can't believe anybody would believe that first one! |
TankLV |
Jul-19-06 12:48 AM |
#99 |

Would the survivors use their sticks & stones against the other survivors? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-19-06 01:01 AM |
#107 |

33%. Incredible, absolutely incredible. |
Clarkie1 |
Jul-19-06 02:26 AM |
#113 |

Hezbolla. Moral. Restraint |
Freedom_Aflaim |
Jul-19-06 03:06 AM |
#114 |
 
It wouldn't be "Moral Restraint". It would be an understanding... |
norml |
Jul-19-06 01:19 PM |
#123 |

that is a silly poll. |
oc2002 |
Jul-19-06 12:32 PM |
#116 |

guess what? |
leftofthedial |
Jul-19-06 12:36 PM |
#118 |
 
What does that have to do with the OP? nt |
Clarkie1 |
Jul-19-06 01:44 PM |
#124 |

it has to do with our collective inability |
leftofthedial |
Jul-20-06 10:38 AM |
#153 |

Hezbollah exists only to destroy Israel. It's their mission statement. |
El Fuego |
Jul-19-06 12:43 PM |
#120 |
 
There are PRODUCTIVE and LIFE-PROMOTING aspects to some segments |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-19-06 02:23 PM |
#128 |

Their own words |
El Fuego |
Jul-19-06 02:41 PM |
#129 |

Well here's a clue: Israel best WORK WITH them more because |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-19-06 02:46 PM |
#131 |

It doesnt shock me |
atomicdawg38 |
Jul-19-06 02:21 PM |
#127 |

Israel has not vowed to wipe a whole people out |
noonwitch |
Jul-19-06 04:25 PM |
#138 |
 
But that's their intent, whether they say explicitly or not |
martymar64 |
Jul-19-06 05:55 PM |
#149 |

#2 |
cracksquirrel |
Jul-19-06 04:28 PM |
#139 |

I don't know, but think this |
MoseyWalker |
Jul-19-06 04:34 PM |
#140 |

I've got a survey construction book you can borrow. |
izzybeans |
Jul-19-06 05:14 PM |
#144 |

Israel would cease to exist... |
bridgit |
Jul-19-06 05:16 PM |
#145 |