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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:26 AM
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67. No, they're not...
...Israel has never made bones about the fact that if any opposing groups kidnap Israeli soldiers, the Israeli government will place absolutely NO VALUE on said soldiers' lives in their efforts to punish via violence. In other words, "If you grab one of our guys and try to use their presence as a shield, don't think it will stop us from bombing the hell out of you and killing our own personnel." They view this policy as the one needed to prevent those type of kidnappings.

They don't care about rescue; they see the policy as preemptive.
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  -How is Israel any better than Hezbollah? TechBear_Seattle  Jul-17-06 08:07 AM   #0 
  - One method of murder is "legal" the other isn't.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-17-06 08:11 AM   #1 
  - might & U.S. backing make right  otokogi   Jul-17-06 08:12 AM   #2 
  - Looks that way  malaise   Jul-17-06 08:19 AM   #8 
  - THANK YOU!  Puglover   Jul-18-06 09:37 AM   #117 
  - they are not any different  leftchick   Jul-17-06 08:12 AM   #3 
  - Some may or may not agree with me but..........  Minnesota Libra   Jul-17-06 08:13 AM   #4 
  - So would you agree that the other side has the same rights?  itzamirakul   Jul-17-06 08:20 AM   #12 
  - My whole point is...............  Minnesota Libra   Jul-17-06 08:45 AM   #34 
     - I am trying to keep an fair perspective of the conflict and not judge  itzamirakul   Jul-17-06 09:07 AM   #52 
     - Excuse???? The surrounding countries.........  Minnesota Libra   Jul-17-06 09:35 AM   #54 
        - OK...Hezbollah is not a country...It is composed of rebels, right?  itzamirakul   Jul-17-06 10:40 AM   #72 
           - I brought Hezbollah into the mix because............  Minnesota Libra   Jul-17-06 10:59 AM   #73 
           - How can they be rebels  eyl   Jul-17-06 11:33 AM   #80 
              - You're right they are now in the government - that makes..............  Minnesota Libra   Jul-17-06 11:55 AM   #83 
                 - Well, we have people sitting in the American government who hold  itzamirakul   Jul-17-06 12:45 PM   #87 
                    - Are they sitting in the government  eyl   Jul-18-06 03:21 AM   #107 
                       - If a person has DUAL CITIZENSHIP he is at ALL TIMES  itzamirakul   Jul-18-06 06:31 AM   #111 
                          - There's a difference between  eyl   Jul-18-06 08:44 AM   #115 
                             - An ambassador has been designated to represent his country  itzamirakul   Jul-18-06 09:22 AM   #116 
                                - Possibly true  eyl   Jul-19-06 04:41 AM   #119 
           - why? because Hezbollah was rocketing ISrael, which is why this whole thing  robinlynne   Jul-17-06 05:11 PM   #98 
              - My point with the other poster was that at times he/she referred to  itzamirakul   Jul-18-06 06:35 AM   #112 
     - Even when the one country has 100-200 nuclear weapons?  Tesha   Jul-17-06 10:37 AM   #69 
        - Well, the question becomes............  Minnesota Libra   Jul-17-06 11:01 AM   #74 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-06 11:22 AM   #79 
  - What I think is odd is the rage over two soldiers vs. civilian deaths...  kittenpants   Jul-17-06 08:23 AM   #16 
  - You're right, it is "a more hawkish mindset".....................  Minnesota Libra   Jul-17-06 09:01 AM   #50 
  - not over 2 soldiers. before the soldiers, hezbollah was bombing (rocketing  robinlynne   Jul-17-06 05:13 PM   #99 
  - Loved ones being kidnapped?  NoMoreMyths   Jul-17-06 08:29 AM   #20 
  - So that must make it alright. Please.  winter999   Jul-17-06 09:43 AM   #55 
     - Did I say that?  NoMoreMyths   Jul-17-06 10:07 AM   #62 
  - No, they're not...  misanthrope   Jul-17-06 10:26 AM   #67 
  - How many of my loved ones would you be willing ...  Everybody   Jul-17-06 01:09 PM   #89 
  - It's what's more gently termed, collective punishment  Kagemusha   Jul-17-06 08:14 AM   #5 
  - Uh, because they have more money? Because they have uniforms?  Warpy   Jul-17-06 08:17 AM   #6 
  - "Eye for an eye" is supposed to be a maximum, not a suggestion  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-17-06 08:26 AM   #18 
     - That's not how it's being interpreted  Warpy   Jul-17-06 08:54 AM   #44 
     - "Eye for an eye"  bloom   Jul-17-06 09:47 AM   #56 
  - They're not  Ravenseye   Jul-17-06 08:18 AM   #7 
  - I guess the next question then would be...  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-17-06 08:31 AM   #22 
     - Well, I don't think it does  Ravenseye   Jul-17-06 08:58 AM   #48 
     - It was Israel  bloom   Jul-17-06 09:54 AM   #58 
        - I think that's a good way to look at it  Ravenseye   Jul-17-06 10:35 AM   #68 
  - How is the US  cali   Jul-17-06 08:19 AM   #9 
  - Please elaborate  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-17-06 08:33 AM   #24 
  - You didn't ask what the  cali   Jul-17-06 08:41 AM   #31 
     - Again: how is your point relevant?  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-17-06 08:51 AM   #40 
        - Are you really having this  cali   Jul-17-06 10:16 AM   #64 
           - how is Israel any better than Hezbollah?  Alameda   Jul-17-06 01:35 PM   #91 
  - have you read up on the history of russia and chechnya?  xchrom   Jul-17-06 08:38 AM   #27 
  - They aren't n/t  LostinVA   Jul-17-06 08:19 AM   #10 
  - There is no difference.  Jim__   Jul-17-06 08:19 AM   #11 
  - I would say this:  Che_Nuevara   Jul-17-06 08:20 AM   #13 
  - One is a state backed by the strongest state  NoMoreMyths   Jul-17-06 08:21 AM   #14 
  - The World's Only Superpower.  Benhurst   Jul-17-06 09:05 AM   #51 
  - How are YOU any better?  IanDB1   Jul-17-06 08:23 AM   #15 
  - Ignored for asking a question?  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-17-06 08:40 AM   #30 
  - O my God.  midnight   Jul-17-06 08:26 AM   #17 
  - You're not getting  cali   Jul-17-06 08:26 AM   #19 
  - No doubt......  CrownPrinceBandar   Jul-17-06 08:35 AM   #25 
     - Ain't that the truth  cali   Jul-17-06 08:44 AM   #33 
        - ah, the voice of the 'fair-n-balanced'  otokogi   Jul-17-06 08:48 AM   #37 
        - It seems to me that the "banalities and sentimentalities" of which  itzamirakul   Jul-17-06 11:45 AM   #82 
  - Over the top without a doubt. How about...  afrosia   Jul-17-06 08:30 AM   #21 
  - Tell me  eyl   Jul-17-06 08:56 AM   #46 
  - One more thing:  cali   Jul-17-06 08:31 AM   #23 
  - Would it have been any different  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-17-06 08:38 AM   #26 
  - Yes.  cali   Jul-17-06 08:52 AM   #41 
  - And did you ask yourself who put that child in harms way?  winter999   Jul-17-06 09:49 AM   #57 
     - So staying in ones own home in the face of an unannounced attack  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-17-06 10:07 AM   #63 
     - Also, winter999, reports are coming out that the Israelis are indeed  itzamirakul   Jul-17-06 12:04 PM   #84 
  - facts on the ground  otokogi   Jul-17-06 08:46 AM   #35 
  - You have  cali   Jul-18-06 05:46 AM   #110 
  - something about the faces of reality- cuts right through to the marrow-  Bluerthanblue   Jul-17-06 08:59 AM   #49 
     - I understand and appreciate your sincerity  cali   Jul-17-06 10:24 AM   #66 
  - They aren't any better  Juniperx   Jul-17-06 08:39 AM   #28 
  - Spearhead lyrics apply  BoneDaddy   Jul-17-06 08:39 AM   #29 
  - poor baby n/t  Swamp Rat   Jul-17-06 08:42 AM   #32 
  - I cry and beseech our spiritual Father  emald   Jul-17-06 08:47 AM   #36 
  - those tired old phrases..." right to defend herself"... "you have  Bluerthanblue   Jul-17-06 08:48 AM   #38 
  - I doubt your premise and there is a point by von Clausewitz  Scribe   Jul-17-06 08:51 AM   #39 
  - states use terror on a far more terrible scale  otokogi   Jul-17-06 08:52 AM   #42 
  - It is not a one dimensional issue. If you see it as that simple then  Scribe   Jul-17-06 10:06 AM   #61 
     - Now this begins to sound like one of those "round and round and nobody  itzamirakul   Jul-17-06 01:25 PM   #90 
        - Well then you've missed a critical factor. Hezbollah won 23 seats  Scribe   Jul-17-06 04:48 PM   #94 
        - Yes, I see that you are right and I was wrong...  itzamirakul   Jul-18-06 06:40 AM   #113 
        - How is Israel any better than Hezbollah?  Alameda   Jul-17-06 11:44 PM   #101 
           - Better or worse? I can't make that kind of judgement. Never could.  Scribe   Jul-18-06 02:28 PM   #118 
              - Better or worse?  Alameda   Jul-19-06 02:18 PM   #126 
  - quoting von Clausewitz in  cali   Jul-17-06 08:55 AM   #45 
  - They are no different...  Xenotime   Jul-17-06 08:53 AM   #43 
  - They are not any better.  LWolf   Jul-17-06 08:56 AM   #47 
  - Israel is not intentionally targeting civilian, Hezbollah and Hamas are  Solo_in_MD   Jul-17-06 09:24 AM   #53 
  - I agree - I like the analogy of 2 houses  KurtNYC   Jul-17-06 09:55 AM   #59 
  - I concur.  akushuki   Jul-17-06 10:38 AM   #70 
  - Ironic, though, that the presumed initiator was an attack against soldiers  lostnfound   Jul-17-06 11:07 AM   #77 
  - That's not completely accurate  eyl   Jul-17-06 11:34 AM   #81 
     - I'm sorry for the inaccuracy; thanks for correcting it.  lostnfound   Jul-17-06 12:50 PM   #88 
  - While I see your point, I don't entirely buy it.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jul-18-06 04:39 AM   #108 
  - Right, Israel is accidentally killing civilians, lots of 'm  rman   Jul-18-06 04:46 AM   #109 
  - One cannot divorce motives from methods when discussing  igil   Jul-17-06 09:58 AM   #60 
  - Well put (n/t)  Che_Nuevara   Jul-17-06 10:23 AM   #65 
  - Amen (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-17-06 04:50 PM   #95 
  - Umm, Israel is better because the US says so?  Pachamama   Jul-17-06 10:39 AM   #71 
  - israel is doing same as we would  virtualjimbo   Jul-17-06 11:05 AM   #75 
  - Gee I Think I Heard Rush Say That  Binka   Jul-19-06 05:51 AM   #123 
  - Motive - profit and might makes right  ArmchairMeme   Jul-17-06 11:07 AM   #76 
  - you perfectly defined how we are to discuss to totally have to agree  seabeyond   Jul-17-06 11:16 AM   #78 
  - I often wonder the same thing  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jul-17-06 12:06 PM   #85 
  - manslaughter versus 1st degree murder  dmordue   Jul-17-06 12:43 PM   #86 
  - Who makes that decision? And who gives them the authority to  itzamirakul   Jul-17-06 01:47 PM   #93 
  - Well, first you'll have to link all those articles about Israelis blowing  WinkyDink   Jul-17-06 01:38 PM   #92 
  - War is the same no matter whose face you put on it. Poor kid.  lonestarnot   Jul-17-06 04:54 PM   #96 
  - I agree. I agree with Israel's motivations, but I do NOT agree with what I  robinlynne   Jul-17-06 05:07 PM   #97 
  - Well, I wouldnt say "Israel", its the IDF doing the killing, specifically.  Endangered Specie   Jul-17-06 05:17 PM   #100 
  - Oh geeze that is so damn sad  PatriotMom   Jul-17-06 11:52 PM   #102 
  - A War Crime  DubyaSux   Jul-17-06 11:57 PM   #103 
  - Oh, I don't know. Maybe these kids could answer that question.  in_cog_ni_to   Jul-18-06 12:12 AM   #104 
  - well, israel has challah bread...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-18-06 01:10 AM   #105 
  - The answer is very simple!  Clarkie1   Jul-18-06 01:12 AM   #106 
  - The question is methods, not rationale  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-18-06 08:02 AM   #114 
     - Tell ya how.... Hezbollah is antithetical to every liberal ideal.  Full Metal   Jul-19-06 04:52 AM   #120 
  - I believe...  foreigncorrespondent   Jul-19-06 05:13 AM   #121 
  - Have you ever hear of?  Full Metal   Jul-19-06 05:36 AM   #122 
     - Have you ever heard of...  foreigncorrespondent   Jul-19-06 07:33 AM   #124 
        - what are these man-ners that you speak of?  Full Metal   Jul-19-06 12:43 PM   #125 
  - You have posed a question based on a premise which is false.  Clarkie1   Jul-19-06 03:45 PM   #127 
 

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