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117. As an apparently stupid smoker let me say...
I do my best to not smoke around non-smokers. Their self-righteous bullshit annoys me to no end.

I did in fact quit, for almost a year. Then I had a nervous breakdown from stress and while I was in the hospital, people hooked me up with cigarettes and I was able to deal with everything again.

For many years now, I have often desired to quit. And to convince every other smoker here in the US to quit as well. I would love to watch our economy collapse. Bullshit you say? US population: 295,734,134. Percentage of smokers: (roughly) 25% (some sites listed 30, some listed 20, so I used an average. Based on people I see all around me, every day though, I would put the odds at 50%). Ok, so lets look at our numbers. 25% of 295,734,134 is 73,933,533.5 smokers. Averages look like most people are pack and a half a day smokers, so thats 110,900,300.25 packs of cigarettes per day or 40,478,609,591.25 packs per year. The average tax on a pack of cigarettes is 91.7 cents per pack, which should be....$37,118,884,995.17625. Note that is only the taxes collected on the cigs themselves, not the lost sales tax on them or the taxes that the tobacco company has to pay. Ah but, you say, how is a few billion in lost revenues going to collapse the economy? Well lets see, if we all quit, the anti-smoking industry is out of work, and with as much energy I see exerted on anti-smoking ads and stop smoking products and what not, I have to assume a lot of people will be out of work. Not to mention all the tobacco companies, farmers, etc. We are well into the trillions at this point I am sure, but why stop there? That reminds me... the first year well quit, if we all use patches/gum/etc. there will be a little gain, however there is no extra tax on these products and they would only be used for a few months.

So there you go, many hundreds of billions, if not trillions, lost in tax revenues. Several hundred thousand people unemployed. I won't even go into the social ramifications of having a quarter of the population all going cold turkey as far incidents of violence go.

Ah, but now we can all breath that nice fresh air... *cough* *cough* Say, that's a nice car you have *cough*, and I see your home is getting its power from that coal plant *cough*. Me I live down the road from a trash disposal facility *cough*. I sure am glad we bankrupted the nation to breath free! *cough* Good thing you are there to protect me from myself. I should never be allowed to decide for myself if I want to smoke. Let's ban alcohol next. And fried food. And salt. MSG? Hamburger - that stuff has mad cow y'know! Chicken? thats got bird flu! We will save everyone from themselves yes? Soda, thats right out! Oh yeah, what about all you extreme sports types? I wonder how much lost productivity and insurance you people eat up every year after you break limbs and are out for a month. And on and on and on.....

As far as secondhand smokes eeeeeevil deadliness, why don't we load it up in bombs and drop it on people?

Oh that's right... because it won't kill you.

I would like to point out that every study which has concluded that smoking and second-hand smoke *WILL* cause cancer, guaranteed factually, is not lying, however the way that conclusion is reached is by putting a rat inside a small tank into which nothing but smoke from a whole pack of cigarettes is pumped. Amazingly the rats get cancer. Of course rats get cancer at the drop a hat, which I guess doesn't cont to the pseudo-scientists who conduct these studies.

Furthermore, I have never seen an actual empirical study done in which the (human) subjects were kept in a clean environment that had no toxic air seeping in from outside, no radon from the ground, no god-knows-what in the water, no high voltage lines overhead or any of the other hundreds of thousands of products we are exposed to everyday that are also known to cause cancer. What about that study a few months back that concluded that women who shave their underarms and use deodorant are going to get breast cancer? (on reading that link, its actually older than a few months, but I only heard about it a few months ago) I don't see any boycotts of deodorant for women. I don't see any threads entitled "Are women stupid for using deodorant?"

That's most of what I have to say. Flame away oh righteous anti-smokers. In the end, it will come back to "You're dumb for smoking!!!!1"; it's as convincing an argument as "Gay people shouldn't get married because it's bad for society" or "Sex outside of marriage is immoral. Ban condoms! Abstinence only!"
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  -Just how much more stupid are smokers than non-smokers RGBolen  Jun-30-06 10:44 AM   #0 
  - No mas! No mas!  JeffR   Jun-30-06 10:45 AM   #1 
  - What, exactly, is the point of this "poll"?  Psephos   Jun-30-06 10:50 AM   #2 
  - Nothing to promote.  Touchdown   Jun-30-06 11:11 AM   #17 
  - lol n/t  Psephos   Jun-30-06 11:33 AM   #30 
  - Just what I said, to see where we rate  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 11:24 AM   #26 
  - actually, smokers are smarter  ixion   Jun-30-06 10:51 AM   #3 
  - so true... the proof is in the OP...  diamondsndust   Jun-30-06 10:56 AM   #6 
     - Actually I am a smoker  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 10:57 AM   #7 
        - then why use that wording in the OP?  diamondsndust   Jun-30-06 11:02 AM   #10 
           - What wording?  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 11:03 AM   #13 
              - umm.. try reading your question  diamondsndust   Jun-30-06 11:08 AM   #15 
                 - just trying to get votes  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 11:23 AM   #24 
                 - It is a question which is leading the witness  hfojvt   Jun-30-06 11:50 AM   #39 
                    - Most polls on DU where people don't like the answers  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 11:52 AM   #42 
                       - you have no idea what people are thinking  hfojvt   Jun-30-06 12:01 PM   #47 
                          - I'm certian they are being honest  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 12:02 PM   #48 
                 - The poll is for them, just read some of the other threads  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 11:32 AM   #29 
  - I assume the "smart" non-smokers  RedStateShame   Jun-30-06 10:53 AM   #4 
  - I do abstain from alcohol, and most fast food...  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 10:55 AM   #5 
  - Try this scenario on for size  Boomer   Jun-30-06 11:01 AM   #9 
  - Boomer, The Straw-Man Slayer. Nice job. n/t  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 11:13 AM   #18 
  - how exactly did he slay ME as a straw man?  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 12:11 PM   #54 
     - I agree. That was directed at him.....he made the straw-man.......  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 12:21 PM   #58 
        - ah, gotcha...  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 12:22 PM   #61 
  - that's a pointless reply...  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 12:23 PM   #62 
  - Do you want to live forever? n/t  shain from kane   Jun-30-06 11:21 AM   #21 
  - no, just want to be as healthy as I can as long as possible  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 12:12 PM   #55 
  - Not illnesses, drinking Pepsi just increases murder.  Touchdown   Jun-30-06 11:23 AM   #23 
  - uh...not to defend I'm sure they're not great...  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 12:07 PM   #52 
     - Do you think Pepsi goes to another country for their beans?  Touchdown   Jun-30-06 12:22 PM   #59 
        - And I'll be happy to move to Diet Dr. Pepper when they do...  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 12:26 PM   #64 
           - What's PKU?  Touchdown   Jun-30-06 12:28 PM   #66 
              - PKU=Phenylketonuria  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 12:37 PM   #73 
                 - Interesting  Touchdown   Jun-30-06 01:40 PM   #105 
                    - well, it's got nothing to do with sugar  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 02:04 PM   #112 
  - You've bought the entire ETS hysteria,haven't you?  GrumpyGreg   Jun-30-06 11:44 AM   #34 
     - want to explain ETS hysteria?  nickinSTL   Jun-30-06 12:15 PM   #57 
  - I dont smoke, dont drink  qazplm   Jun-30-06 11:00 AM   #8 
  - It does have a couple of redeeming features:  Clark2008   Jun-30-06 11:50 AM   #40 
  - Hi Clark 2008  Laura PackYourBags   Jun-30-06 12:56 PM   #89 
  - What do you do? You don't drink, you don't smoke  Touchdown   Jun-30-06 12:25 PM   #63 
  - no but I don't shove the fast food down your throat  alarimer   Jun-30-06 01:00 PM   #92 
  - Not more stupid at all...  Spider Jerusalem   Jun-30-06 11:02 AM   #11 
  - "Maybe smokers are just more individualistic"..LOL  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 11:19 AM   #20 
     - Oh, you mean as opposed to smug non-smokers who think  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:22 PM   #60 
     - "Not all smokers smoke around non-smokers"  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 12:32 PM   #70 
        - Dude... you better light up  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:39 PM   #74 
           - Are you saying you never smoke around non-smokers? n/t  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 12:43 PM   #78 
              - That's right  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:49 PM   #82 
     - I only smoke out of doors and in designated areas.  Spider Jerusalem   Jun-30-06 01:48 PM   #108 
  - A cognitive study was done a decade or so ago using three  Warpy   Jun-30-06 11:03 AM   #12 
  - ah huh, there's  azurnoir   Jun-30-06 11:16 AM   #19 
     - Addiction is a disease of denial  Warpy   Jun-30-06 11:26 AM   #27 
        - who did the study, more to the  azurnoir   Jun-30-06 01:02 PM   #95 
  - And they're stinky.  Swede   Jun-30-06 11:05 AM   #14 
  - I'm so tired, I'm feeling so upset  deaniac21   Jun-30-06 11:09 AM   #16 
  - should start another poll  bobby911   Jun-30-06 11:21 AM   #22 
  - WTF? Neither.  transeo   Jun-30-06 11:23 AM   #25 
  - Actually, more very smart people have bad habits/addictions  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:27 PM   #65 
  - Since I would guess MOST smokers got hooked in their teen years  quantessd   Jun-30-06 11:28 AM   #28 
  - smokers are smart enough to know that everyone dies...  Mend   Jun-30-06 11:36 AM   #31 
  - Can I get a light off your flamebait? N/T  mongo   Jun-30-06 11:39 AM   #32 
  - How much stupider than a normal poll is this poll?  acmejack   Jun-30-06 11:44 AM   #33 
  - I just gave them the choices  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 11:46 AM   #36 
     - Maybe you can write a book: "Liberals Want To Shoot Smokers"..  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 01:35 PM   #103 
        - Who?  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 01:44 PM   #107 
           - This one....  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 01:57 PM   #110 
  - That first choice is offensive.  sparosnare   Jun-30-06 11:45 AM   #35 
  - Yet, I am not surprised at all in how many of them chose that option  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 11:47 AM   #37 
     - Did it occur to you that some people are choosing that option.......  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 11:58 AM   #45 
        - I'm sure they are being honest, you must not have read the other  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 12:00 PM   #46 
           - I'll admit. I voted that choice because I think this is.......  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 12:06 PM   #51 
  - 'Cooler' not stupid, 'Cooler'  MadJohnShaft   Jun-30-06 11:47 AM   #38 
  - Damn straight!  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:32 PM   #71 
  - Quite a bit.  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-30-06 11:50 AM   #41 
  - I love to "smoke" (less than a packer/day)  Catchawave   Jun-30-06 11:52 AM   #43 
  - agreed  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 11:53 AM   #44 
     - Thank you RG !!!  Catchawave   Jun-30-06 12:15 PM   #56 
  - Get over it  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:03 PM   #49 
  - Straw-men for sale! Right here in post #49. Get 'em while they're hot!  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 12:46 PM   #80 
     - You should really look up the definition of strawman  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:52 PM   #85 
        - .  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 12:59 PM   #91 
           - You have repeatedly asserted that non-smokers are smarter  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 01:06 PM   #97 
              - Making things up out of whole cloth is very telling.  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 01:10 PM   #98 
                 - That all you got? n/t  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 01:28 PM   #101 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-30-06 01:38 PM   #104 
                       - I do not lie and I do not appreciate being called a liar  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 01:54 PM   #109 
                       - What lies?  dogday   Jun-30-06 01:59 PM   #111 
                          - "You have repeatedly asserted that non-smokers are smarter"  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 02:09 PM   #113 
                             - Here's one for you  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 02:18 PM   #116 
                             - You lose.....  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 02:25 PM   #121 
                             - Einstein smoked, so I guess that settles that  dogday   Jun-30-06 02:22 PM   #119 
                                - Care to comment on what we were talking about?  Kingshakabobo   Jun-30-06 02:27 PM   #122 
  - I think that the best case against smoking is  zbdent   Jun-30-06 12:03 PM   #50 
  - I don't want my teenager having sex, either. Is sex bad for me?  MercutioATC   Jun-30-06 12:41 PM   #77 
  - So those years tacked on the end of your life are really worth it? Start  shain from kane   Jun-30-06 12:09 PM   #53 
  - No... why should I want to live to be so old?  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:28 PM   #67 
  - how fucking pathetically arrogant are some non-smokers...?  QuestionAll   Jun-30-06 12:29 PM   #68 
  - We Are Less Pathethically Arrogant Than....  novalib   Jun-30-06 01:43 PM   #106 
     - no. that's being arrogant.  QuestionAll   Jun-30-06 02:09 PM   #114 
  - Self-preservation instinct is a surefire sign of intelligence.  KyuzoGator   Jun-30-06 12:32 PM   #69 
  - I'll let the room full of smokers at my next Mensa meeting know how  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:36 PM   #72 
  - You DID read that before you posted it, right?  MercutioATC   Jun-30-06 12:40 PM   #75 
  - LOL!!! Good catch!  Juniperx   Jun-30-06 12:54 PM   #88 
  - If it's instinct, then it is not learned behavior. Intelligence is learned  shain from kane   Jun-30-06 12:40 PM   #76 
  - I don't think that it is stupidity that makes people smoke  MathGuy   Jun-30-06 12:44 PM   #79 
  - My definition of stupid includes watching the New York Mets play baseball.  shain from kane   Jun-30-06 12:48 PM   #81 
  - In general I would be inclined to agree....  MathGuy   Jun-30-06 12:52 PM   #86 
     - My definition of delusional includes expecting the NY Mets to play  shain from kane   Jun-30-06 01:00 PM   #93 
  - Agreed-it's an addiction  Alcibiades   Jun-30-06 12:49 PM   #83 
  - Considering your post  azurnoir   Jun-30-06 02:20 PM   #118 
  - Stupidity knows no boundaries.  porphyrian   Jun-30-06 12:51 PM   #84 
  - I am sure, just like eggs and milk, they will come out and say  Laura PackYourBags   Jun-30-06 12:54 PM   #87 
  - Here's a creative person with gusto for life,  MathGuy   Jun-30-06 01:01 PM   #94 
     - did you win last night? I was hoping you'd help the Yankees  Laura PackYourBags   Jun-30-06 01:19 PM   #100 
  - This as been about as fun as I thought it would be  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 12:58 PM   #90 
  - Cheers!  MercutioATC   Jun-30-06 01:12 PM   #99 
  - Great Poll EOM  K-W   Jun-30-06 01:04 PM   #96 
  - is this a push poll?  hiphopnation23   Jun-30-06 01:35 PM   #102 
  - Just giving some of them the chance to go ahead and say  RGBolen   Jun-30-06 02:24 PM   #120 
  - Well  EvilAL   Jun-30-06 02:17 PM   #115 
  - As an apparently stupid smoker let me say...  everythingsxen   Jun-30-06 02:18 PM   #117 
  - Locking.....  Moderator   Jun-30-06 02:30 PM   #123 

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