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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:58 AM
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23. I think it's probable that you're concept of Jesus
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 09:59 AM by greyl
is better than the real thing, at least as far as statements attributed to him in the Bible.

It's a fact that the Bible states he advocated beating slaves, which of course means that slavery was effectively condoned by him.

# They should be beaten for disobedience, but not more severely then they deserve. --Jesus never denounced slavery: he endorsed it! He incorporated it into his teachings as if it were the most natural order (which it was for the biblical writers who didn't know any better). Why doesn't the bible--supposedly inspired by an all-loving deity--ever hint that there is something wrong with such a brutal social institution? If it were not for the influence of the bible (see answer 'd' below), the appalling American slave trade might have been curtailed, along with the bloody Civil War.

"And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes." (Luke 12:47-48) The entire context (Luke 12:41-48) shows that this is not part of a parable--it is the explanation of a parable, after Peter asked a question. But even if it were a parable, it would carry the same weight as a teaching of Jesus.

The word "servant" above is doulos, which means "slave" in Greek, and is correctly rendered "slave" by the NRSV, NAS, Scholar's Version, and others. "Shall" meant "should," as Jesus adds: "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required." (Luke 12:48)

Finally, this really highlights the disadvantage of written traditions vs oral traditions. Oral traditions of religion change from generation to generation so that they continue to make sense and become more relevant. With dogma, everyone gets split up over interpretations and misinterpretations.
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  -Could a Real Christian Torture or Murder a Prisoner? Philosoraptor  Jun-30-06 09:11 AM   #0 
  - The question is...  southpaw   Jun-30-06 09:18 AM   #1 
  - Of course they can, and have,  Philosoraptor   Jun-30-06 09:20 AM   #4 
  - Torture others as you would have others torture you?  Rageneau   Jun-30-06 01:51 PM   #31 
  - Yes.  greyl   Jun-30-06 09:18 AM   #2 
  - Yes.  Ezlivin   Jun-30-06 09:19 AM   #3 
  - I just think they should no longer be called Christians.  Philosoraptor   Jun-30-06 09:21 AM   #6 
     - Why?  southpaw   Jun-30-06 09:27 AM   #14 
        - To me, an atheist, the whole concept is silly.  Philosoraptor   Jun-30-06 09:29 AM   #16 
  - First, what is a real Christian?  Warpy   Jun-30-06 09:21 AM   #5 
  - "what is a real Christian?"  ContraBass Black   Jun-30-06 09:24 AM   #12 
  - I have no idea  gratuitous   Jun-30-06 09:22 AM   #7 
  - Nope. A they would not.  lonestarnot   Jun-30-06 09:22 AM   #8 
  - if by "real" we mean the actual kind that has existed through history,  leftofthedial   Jun-30-06 09:22 AM   #9 
  - By real I guess I mean one who takes Christ's words literally.  Philosoraptor   Jun-30-06 09:23 AM   #11 
     - it's hard to answer.  leftofthedial   Jun-30-06 09:38 AM   #21 
        - I think it's probable that you're concept of Jesus  greyl   Jun-30-06 09:58 AM   #23 
           - so jesus was a slave mongering thug?  leftofthedial   Jun-30-06 10:03 AM   #25 
              - That wasn't quite my point, no. nt  greyl   Jun-30-06 10:07 AM   #26 
  - The Inquisition  bleedingheart   Jun-30-06 09:22 AM   #10 
  - The question by itself and the way you ask it cries out for sincerity.  higher class   Jun-30-06 09:27 AM   #13 
  - And the crusades are generally cited.  Philosoraptor   Jun-30-06 09:31 AM   #17 
  - This topic opens up a can of worms.  AndyA   Jun-30-06 09:29 AM   #15 
  - At the least, that real Christian and God would be having a "little chat"  LittleClarkie   Jun-30-06 09:34 AM   #18 
  - it has to involve a great deal of denial  joneschick   Jun-30-06 09:35 AM   #19 
  - Since the only real criteria for being a Christian is...  Touchdown   Jun-30-06 09:36 AM   #20 
  - A Christian is someone who belives in the divinity of Jesus, that he...  Solon   Jun-30-06 09:41 AM   #22 
  - Then what about that Ten Commandments stuff?  NNN0LHI   Jun-30-06 10:00 AM   #24 
     - Subject to interepretation depending on the individual...  Solon   Jun-30-06 10:43 AM   #30 
  - You should check out Stanley Milgram's obedience experiment  derby378   Jun-30-06 10:09 AM   #27 
  - Yes, if was genuinely repentant afterwards  noonwitch   Jun-30-06 10:10 AM   #28 
  - If one were to look at the centuries of the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem  The Stranger   Jun-30-06 10:10 AM   #29 

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