me b zola
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Wed Jun-28-06 01:34 PM
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| 51. Return to our values, strengthen our message |
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Roman Catholics used to vote heavily Democratic because the party stood/stands for issues that are morally relevent to them. The NT instructs it readers to work for social justice. The teachings of Jesus were one of the main factors that made me a liberal. That has not changed for me.
The RC church now is fairly spit in their vote because, like many of the other large christian religions, they have been targetted by the rw to push a rw message from the inside. This didn't begin to happen in 2000, this push began years ago in a similar timeline as the rw invasion of the radio with rw hate-talkers. The chrisian coalition and other faux christian groups were organized by politicos to infiltrate mainstream christian churches and turn them into political organizations.
I cannot disagree strongly enough to the targetting of religious groups. It demeans both the Constitution and the church. The Democratic platform is (or has been & should continue to be) built around concepts of social justice. When government & society works well for the little guy, it works well for everybody. When we promote strong environmental protections, then we are honoring those who will come after us by leaving them a safe place to live. If someone proclaims themselves to be a christian and yet do not value these things enough to vote Democratic, then there are other issues besides their "christianity" that pushes them to vote repub.
I think the answer is rather than "target" the religious vote by eroding our values and beliefs, do a better job, like Al Gore does with global warming, of explaining why our platform is the only "moral" choice. The rw targetted churches BECAUSE DEMS HAVE THE MORAL AUTHORITY on issues. The rw is the party who's agenda (greed & power)is based upon exploitation of the average person to accumulate great wealth so that it will be used to continue to exploit more and more people. They depend on smoke and mirrors to confuse the issues, and they ended up with a message that we are godless and they are morally superior. Insane, eh?
The answer is to return to our values and strengthen our message. Civil rights is a moral issue (this includes a woman's right to choose and gay rights). Unions and fair wages, benifits, & working conditions are moral issues. Regulating big business so that they do not damage the environment nor endanger their workers, and pay their fair share are moral issues. Envirnmental protections is a moral issue. Honoring our veterans by ensuring that all of the services that they deserve are fully funded is a moral issue. Saving public education and strengthening it so that ALL children can recieve a good education is a moral issue. Universal health care is a moral issue. A foreign policy that relies on diplomacy not dropping bombs on people is a moral issue. A social safety net is a moral issue. A strong national security that takes logical steps to protect us without stripping away civil liberties is a moral issue. RESPECTING OUR CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS, AND THE RULE OF LAW IS A MORAL ISSUE.
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Poll about Democrats and Evangelicals |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 11:43 AM |
#0 |

We should court people as Americans, NOT as a member of some religion! |
calipendence |
Jun-28-06 11:45 AM |
#1 |
 
Ladies and gentlemen, the thread is won. |
BlueIris |
Jun-28-06 11:52 AM |
#3 |
  
Thanks BlueIris! |
calipendence |
Jun-28-06 12:09 PM |
#11 |
 
Thank you. |
endarkenment |
Jun-28-06 12:39 PM |
#24 |
 
I second! |
acmejack |
Jun-28-06 01:09 PM |
#35 |
 
Yes! WHY are Evangelicals made out to be SPECIAL?! |
katty |
Jun-28-06 03:32 PM |
#59 |

The Evangelicals have the misconceived notion that you must be Republican |
liberal N proud |
Jun-28-06 11:50 AM |
#2 |
 
Our actions say more than the words we speak. |
AndyA |
Jun-28-06 11:54 AM |
#4 |
  
"they talk the talk but don't walk the walk" - Exactly |
liberal N proud |
Jun-28-06 12:13 PM |
#14 |
 
And some will see the light. |
xmas74 |
Jun-28-06 01:06 PM |
#31 |

If by courting, you mean appeal to common interests, then sure |
Rose Siding |
Jun-28-06 11:55 AM |
#5 |
 
Well said. nt |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:23 PM |
#46 |

Please remember, Jimmy Carter is an evangelical and ran as such. |
Feles Mala |
Jun-28-06 11:55 AM |
#6 |
 
Hey neighbor!!! |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:07 PM |
#32 |

Ola... |
Feles Mala |
Jun-28-06 01:11 PM |
#37 |

What do you speak? |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:16 PM |
#41 |

We should court anyone who SHOULD be voting for dems |
skipos |
Jun-28-06 11:56 AM |
#7 |

Other |
porphyrian |
Jun-28-06 12:00 PM |
#8 |

Believe it or not, some evangelicals are Christians. |
baldguy |
Jun-28-06 12:00 PM |
#9 |

I doubt if there's any way to lure evangelicals to the Democratic |
Sentinel Chicken |
Jun-28-06 12:05 PM |
#10 |
 
. |
BlueIris |
Jun-28-06 12:40 PM |
#25 |

We should be democrats. Let them come to us... |
vi5 |
Jun-28-06 12:10 PM |
#12 |
 
On the other hand, there's the environmental angle... |
derby378 |
Jun-28-06 12:12 PM |
#13 |
 
Good points. |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:10 PM |
#36 |

But again, this points to the main issue... |
vi5 |
Jun-28-06 02:23 PM |
#54 |

can someone explain what an "evangelical" is |
yodermon |
Jun-28-06 12:13 PM |
#15 |
 
I'll look at the wiki article and be right back...hopefully with an answer |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 12:15 PM |
#18 |
 
Ok... |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 12:38 PM |
#23 |

We can't force or bribe people to practice their own religion. |
Lars39 |
Jun-28-06 12:13 PM |
#16 |

instead of evangelicals- why not focus on NON-voters. |
QuestionAll |
Jun-28-06 12:14 PM |
#17 |

Democrats already court evangelicals. |
Yollam |
Jun-28-06 12:17 PM |
#19 |
 
Good points. |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:25 PM |
#47 |

I don't feel that Dems |
OhioChick |
Jun-28-06 12:22 PM |
#20 |

Other: I am the Walrus.(nt) |
originalpckelly |
Jun-28-06 12:23 PM |
#21 |

I believe that pandering to religious fanatics is a bad idea. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Jun-28-06 12:31 PM |
#22 |
 
thank you for the voice of reason |
katty |
Jun-28-06 03:35 PM |
#60 |

It's exceptionally foolish not to court them. |
Sammy Pepys |
Jun-28-06 01:00 PM |
#26 |
 
How Do You Court Them Without Caving In To Them? |
AndyTiedye |
Jun-28-06 03:03 PM |
#56 |

They don't belong in our country |
AngryAmish |
Jun-28-06 01:01 PM |
#27 |
 
As a Christian Democrat... |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:04 PM |
#30 |

I don't think religion should be an issue in the political process. |
valerief |
Jun-28-06 01:03 PM |
#28 |

I think we can be open to them without courting them. |
SmokingJacket |
Jun-28-06 01:03 PM |
#29 |
 
Good points... |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:14 PM |
#39 |

True -- I was generalizing. |
SmokingJacket |
Jun-28-06 01:27 PM |
#49 |

I don't see "Courting" as "Leading"....We NEED LEADERS |
WA98296 |
Jun-28-06 01:07 PM |
#33 |
 
Thank you for the clarification of wordage. nt |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:15 PM |
#40 |

Goldurn it, "EVANGELICAL" does NOT equal "FUNDIE"! |
bunkerbuster1 |
Jun-28-06 01:08 PM |
#34 |
 
I agree completely. |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:12 PM |
#38 |
  
guess I'm a bit thick |
bunkerbuster1 |
Jun-28-06 01:18 PM |
#42 |
 
lol... |
melnjones |
Jun-28-06 01:21 PM |
#45 |
 
You are absolutely right............ |
smokey nj |
Jun-28-06 01:19 PM |
#43 |

I'm an independent liberal (small-d) democrat. |
TahitiNut |
Jun-28-06 01:21 PM |
#44 |

Other... I am a Democrat and think we need to BE Democrats |
Totally Committed |
Jun-28-06 01:26 PM |
#48 |

I dont want to court people because of their religious denomination. We |
Mass |
Jun-28-06 01:27 PM |
#50 |

Return to our values, strengthen our message |
me b zola |
Jun-28-06 01:34 PM |
#51 |
 
Excellent. |
Mass |
Jun-28-06 01:37 PM |
#52 |

I voted No |
MODemocrat |
Jun-28-06 01:43 PM |
#53 |

Why NOT court them? |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-28-06 02:27 PM |
#55 |
 
The key is we shouldn't have to change our values to accomodate theirs! |
calipendence |
Jun-28-06 05:43 PM |
#62 |

Agreeing on SOME issues isn't courting them. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-28-06 06:01 PM |
#63 |

EVANGELICAL DOES NOT EQUAL FUNDIE!!! |
Odin2005 |
Jun-28-06 03:31 PM |
#57 |

I'm an American, let Evangelicals find their OWN courtiers!! |
katty |
Jun-28-06 03:32 PM |
#58 |

I guess I don't get it, why should we have to court anyone? |
kitkatrose |
Jun-28-06 04:08 PM |
#61 |