| 78. OK fair enough but this is a tangent. |
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I've made my position clear multiple times and I guess I believe we can balance worker safetly with personal choice. Call me an optimist. Good evening, thanks for the polite exchange (no sarcasm)
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| -I am not a smoker and will always choose a restaurant |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 08:16 PM |
#0 |
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Well, I -am- a smoker but I never smoke in a restaurant even if it's |
karlrschneider |
Jun-27-06 08:18 PM |
#1 |
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You, then, are very rare. I appreciate it |
ComerPerro |
Jun-28-06 06:48 PM |
#181 |
| -
I am a former smoker. My S.O. is a smoker. Smoking causes cancer. |
Raster |
Jun-27-06 08:21 PM |
#2 |
| -
Where did you get it that 90% are non-smokers? |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 08:37 PM |
#10 |
| -
I have no problem with smokers smoking. Smoke on! I don't want to have |
Raster |
Jun-27-06 08:46 PM |
#22 |
| -
last time I checked, unprotected sex took at least 2 people. |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 08:48 PM |
#25 |
| -
No, not my point. Two persons having unprotected sex do not affect the |
Raster |
Jun-27-06 08:51 PM |
#27 |
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hmm, I thought the point was cracking down on destructive behavior... |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 08:56 PM |
#30 |
| -
No, that's not the point |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:07 PM |
#41 |
| -
well, you can choose to move away from smokers, or politely ask |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:09 PM |
#45 |
| -
"You can choose not to work in the unsafe chemical plant." |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:17 PM |
#50 |
| -
and as I said downthread, |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:19 PM |
#52 |
| -
"Non-smoking sections" aren't enough. |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:22 PM |
#55 |
| -
well, I understand your concern... |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:25 PM |
#56 |
| -
Mandate Easy-Pass |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:28 PM |
#59 |
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well Easy Pass has been blamed for the loss of jobs, though.... |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:32 PM |
#62 |
| -
I'm sure that some people lost their jobs because of other safety rules |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:36 PM |
#64 |
| -
ummm..no they lost their jobs because Easy Pass is cheaper |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:40 PM |
#68 |
| -
Your logic is flawed. Cigarettes have only one purpose. |
Lindacooks |
Jun-28-06 01:39 AM |
#107 |
| -
Non-procreative sex, fatty food, alcohol, extreme sport have only one |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 10:33 AM |
#130 |
| -
I'm not against YOU smoking. YOU may smoke all you like. I don't smoke. |
Raster |
Jun-28-06 11:18 AM |
#147 |
| -
don't drive your car near me. i don't want to breathe your exhaust. eom |
ellenfl |
Jun-27-06 09:32 PM |
#61 |
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I hope your friends don't drive or sit in traffic then. |
Clark2008 |
Jun-28-06 12:54 AM |
#98 |
| -
With prohibition of smoking a lot of restaurants and bars will close. |
rman |
Jun-28-06 10:13 AM |
#126 |
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People said that would happen in California too, but it didn't. |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Jun-28-06 03:03 PM |
#164 |
| -
I've heard that line before |
kiahzero |
Jun-28-06 08:19 PM |
#186 |
| -
But this isn't about self-destructive behavior, |
drm604 |
Jun-27-06 09:08 PM |
#44 |
| -
I'm sorry, I don't buy it. |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:12 PM |
#46 |
| -
You're forgetting about the employees |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:21 PM |
#53 |
| -
addressed elsewhere... |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:25 PM |
#57 |
| -
Maybe you don't buy it because it's not what I said. |
drm604 |
Jun-27-06 09:46 PM |
#71 |
| -
hmm, any of em pan out? |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:48 PM |
#72 |
| -
I don't know how many of them panned out |
drm604 |
Jun-27-06 10:02 PM |
#76 |
| -
OK fair enough but this is a tangent. |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 10:05 PM |
#78 |
| -
dupe/self delete |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 10:10 PM |
#80 |
| -
What if people think it's gross and lose their appetite |
quantessd |
Jun-28-06 01:06 AM |
#101 |
| -
No one objects to separate smoking rooms that are well ventilated |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 10:38 AM |
#131 |
| -
I have a daughter and a grandson who are both allergic |
Skidmore |
Jun-28-06 05:41 AM |
#115 |
| -
I am sorry about them. Many have similar reaction to perfume |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 10:42 AM |
#132 |
| -
i dunno |
mikelgb |
Jun-28-06 09:59 AM |
#123 |
| -
If two people start having sex next to me |
Freedom_Aflaim |
Jun-28-06 11:14 AM |
#145 |
| -
Unprotected masturbation. Always use a condom with Rosy Palm. |
rinsd |
Jun-28-06 04:18 PM |
#172 |
| -
Uh... not exactly. |
Clark2008 |
Jun-28-06 12:51 AM |
#96 |
| -
I'm an unhealthy eater.... |
LynneSin |
Jun-28-06 11:12 AM |
#143 |
| -
I was talking about special smoking area that are separated |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 06:09 PM |
#176 |
| -
Actually smoking increases your risk for cancer |
OKNancy |
Jun-27-06 08:37 PM |
#11 |
| -
People who smoke have repressed issues with sucking |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jun-28-06 12:47 AM |
#94 |
| -
Counterclockwise hair whorls! |
Clark2008 |
Jun-28-06 12:56 AM |
#99 |
| -
I was referring to pubic hair, which, as you know, goes the other way |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jun-28-06 02:01 PM |
#158 |
| -
1 in 3 people worldwide is a smoker, 1 in 4 in the US |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jun-27-06 08:43 PM |
#18 |
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I stand corrected. 75% of the US population DOES NOT SMOKE. |
Raster |
Jun-27-06 08:50 PM |
#26 |
| -
all good |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jun-27-06 08:59 PM |
#34 |
| -
Why should smokers be accommodated? |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 08:25 PM |
#3 |
| -
hope you track down every Hummer driver |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 08:27 PM |
#5 |
| -
I'm tracking down every smoker? |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 08:36 PM |
#9 |
| -
less reprehensible? |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 08:43 PM |
#19 |
| -
I said individually. |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:03 PM |
#39 |
| -
what difference does "individually" make? |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:07 PM |
#43 |
| -
Well, I give pretty much |
democracyindanger |
Jun-27-06 08:38 PM |
#13 |
| -
it's a start :) |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 08:45 PM |
#20 |
| -
engines pump far more carcinogens into the air |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jun-27-06 08:38 PM |
#12 |
| -
OK, I'll stop running my car inside restaurants |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 08:41 PM |
#14 |
| -
OK I'll stop smoking outside if you stop driving outside. Deal? |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 08:46 PM |
#21 |
| -
nom'd |
dweller |
Jun-27-06 09:02 PM |
#37 |
| -
Does anybody give a shit whether people smoke outdoors? |
quantessd |
Jun-27-06 11:52 PM |
#88 |
| -
Yes, some do |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-28-06 10:30 AM |
#129 |
| -
Yes, they do |
tyedyeto |
Jun-28-06 11:28 AM |
#153 |
| -
Yes |
foreverdem |
Jun-28-06 02:19 PM |
#160 |
| -
I never have smoked in a restaurant |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jun-27-06 08:48 PM |
#24 |
| -
Um... because it is addictive? |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 08:42 PM |
#16 |
| -
Way to miss the point |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:01 PM |
#36 |
| -
OK-employees are a different matter/ |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:17 PM |
#51 |
| -
Grill smoke is nothing like secondhand smoke from cigarettes. |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:38 PM |
#66 |
| -
no, it;s a valid concern/ |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:44 PM |
#70 |
| -
here's a link RE: grill smoke... |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:51 PM |
#75 |
| -
***chirp chirp chirp******* |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 10:11 PM |
#82 |
| -
Yes, safe work place is important |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 09:22 PM |
#54 |
| -
OK, it seems like you're agreeing with me on smoking in bars |
kiahzero |
Jun-27-06 09:26 PM |
#58 |
| -
Such prim |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 09:51 PM |
#74 |
| -
"She was asking for it?" |
kiahzero |
Jun-28-06 07:20 PM |
#183 |
| -
...in such a way that it does not harm non-smokers - why not? |
rman |
Jun-28-06 09:56 AM |
#122 |
| -
Why aren't there many more non-smoking bars and restaurants, |
rman |
Jun-28-06 10:06 AM |
#124 |
| -
Excellent point. Thank you |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 10:51 AM |
#136 |
| -
Why shouldn't I be able to charge smokers with assault? |
Radical Activist |
Jun-29-06 06:38 PM |
#191 |
| -
my stance is that if a restaurant or bar owner desires |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 08:26 PM |
#4 |
| -
Yes, I agree with you and I'm a non-smoker. |
Cleita |
Jun-27-06 08:35 PM |
#8 |
| -
Thank you for an excellent POV |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 08:54 PM |
#28 |
| -
agreed. |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:02 PM |
#38 |
| -
No smoking sections are sometimes a joke. |
Lastlaughin08 |
Jun-27-06 08:34 PM |
#6 |
| -
Obviously non-smoking areas should be in separate rooms with own |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 08:57 PM |
#31 |
| -
This (voluntary non-smoking restaurants) is becoming more common in my |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Jun-28-06 03:10 PM |
#166 |
| -
Thank you! This is the best example of how we can achieve what we |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 06:14 PM |
#177 |
| -
A "No Smoking" Section inside a building is as effective |
Egalitariat |
Jun-27-06 08:35 PM |
#7 |
| -
I'm a non-smoker.... |
GloriaSmith |
Jun-27-06 08:41 PM |
#15 |
| -
that is a Republican attitude... Live and let Die... the minimum wage guy |
sam sarrha |
Jun-27-06 08:42 PM |
#17 |
| -
Remember prohibition? |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 09:07 PM |
#42 |
| -
absolutely, |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-06 09:13 PM |
#47 |
| -
if it weren't for tobacco we could have national insurance.. they consider |
sam sarrha |
Jun-27-06 10:02 PM |
#77 |
| -
Bravo! |
Clark2008 |
Jun-28-06 01:06 AM |
#100 |
| -
Here in Florida, no smoking is allowed in restaurants... |
KyuzoGator |
Jun-27-06 08:47 PM |
#23 |
| -
I can't smell it |
sandnsea |
Jun-27-06 08:54 PM |
#29 |
| -
That's because you only quit a year ago. |
quantessd |
Jun-27-06 11:58 PM |
#89 |
| -
"when I was a little kid" - I didn't smoke |
sandnsea |
Jun-28-06 03:45 AM |
#110 |
| -
A little cigarette smoke far away doesn't bother me, either. |
quantessd |
Jun-28-06 02:55 PM |
#162 |
| -
Then don't go there |
sandnsea |
Jun-28-06 03:00 PM |
#163 |
| -
Well I don't anymore! |
quantessd |
Jun-28-06 03:38 PM |
#167 |
| -
Just because you can't smell it doesn't mean others don't. |
Lastlaughin08 |
Jun-28-06 04:00 PM |
#169 |
| -
Don't smell it, don't see it, don't notice it |
sandnsea |
Jun-28-06 04:51 PM |
#173 |
| -
I'm a Smoker...I agree with you...give me an area away from |
Ragazz68 |
Jun-27-06 08:57 PM |
#32 |
| -
I am sorry about your dad |
question everything |
Jun-27-06 09:34 PM |
#63 |
| -
Because smoking causes global warming, that's why. |
HypnoToad |
Jun-27-06 08:58 PM |
#33 |
| -
LOL |
ItNerd4life |
Jun-28-06 10:20 AM |
#127 |
| -
Because 2nd hand smoke is very dangerous |
kaygore |
Jun-27-06 08:59 PM |
#35 |
| -
"Non-smoking" sections are a joke. |
Oregonian |
Jun-27-06 09:06 PM |
#40 |
| -
Because it keeps you from being fat. |
Clark2008 |
Jun-28-06 01:11 AM |
#102 |
| -
Not quite. |
quantessd |
Jun-28-06 01:18 AM |
#104 |
| -
Same here |
thecatburgler |
Jun-28-06 06:35 AM |
#117 |
| -
"Why can't we just live and let live?" |
drm604 |
Jun-27-06 09:14 PM |
#48 |
| -
What you are describing is really rare |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 11:05 AM |
#141 |
| -
I see nothing wrong with smoking clubs |
izzie |
Jun-27-06 09:17 PM |
#49 |
| -
Unfortunately, where I'm at they are not allowed by law. Two years |
sinkingfeeling |
Jun-28-06 11:35 AM |
#155 |
| -
The part that the citizens passed sounds great. |
quantessd |
Jun-29-06 02:32 AM |
#188 |
| -
just another example of the marketplace |
ellenfl |
Jun-27-06 09:28 PM |
#60 |
| -
I'm a smoker and I best not post on this thread. |
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet |
Jun-27-06 09:37 PM |
#65 |
| -
Oh please, do |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 06:21 PM |
#178 |
| -
It is turning into a witch hunt |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-27-06 09:38 PM |
#67 |
| -
booze is more destructive. ban booze too. |
Ksec |
Jun-27-06 09:44 PM |
#69 |
| -
alcohol is the 4th major health hazard but not as bad as tobacco. |
sam sarrha |
Jun-27-06 10:07 PM |
#79 |
| -
Booze kills millions. So does obesity . |
Ksec |
Jun-27-06 10:11 PM |
#81 |
| -
There is nothing slippery about it. If I choose to overeat and fuck up my |
Raster |
Jun-28-06 12:43 AM |
#93 |
| -
half a million a year is not a few... 200 times the death rate in Iraq |
sam sarrha |
Jun-28-06 09:52 AM |
#120 |
| -
Obesity is a medical condition, much is caused by High fructose corn syrup |
sam sarrha |
Jun-28-06 10:10 AM |
#125 |
| -
Booze already is restricted in public places. |
quantessd |
Jun-28-06 12:23 AM |
#90 |
| -
This sentence speaks volumes about you as a person. |
LincolnMcGrath |
Jun-27-06 09:51 PM |
#73 |
| -
Not a food server vs. a Ph.D, but a matter of geography |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 06:29 PM |
#179 |
| -
I just watched a dear friend die of lung cancer on Fathers Day. |
Dem2theMax |
Jun-27-06 10:43 PM |
#83 |
| -
Very sorry to hear that. |
greyl |
Jun-28-06 04:57 AM |
#113 |
| -
I agree, I am a smoker and the more the anti-smoking laws get strict, |
spacelady |
Jun-27-06 10:55 PM |
#84 |
| -
As I said, I'm a former smoker, and there is none more virtuous than the |
Raster |
Jun-28-06 12:40 AM |
#91 |
| -
I've smoked sometimes: BUT -- nobody should have to breath any smoke. |
struggle4progress |
Jun-27-06 11:22 PM |
#85 |
| -
Damned good points. Thank you. |
Raster |
Jun-28-06 12:41 AM |
#92 |
| -
I prefer all non-smoking restaurants. |
Yollam |
Jun-27-06 11:33 PM |
#86 |
| -
I go out of my way to find non-smoking restaurants |
laundry_queen |
Jun-28-06 01:48 AM |
#108 |
| -
Indoor smokers are annoying and obnoxious. |
quantessd |
Jun-27-06 11:46 PM |
#87 |
| -
I still think pollution causes much more lung problems than |
Clark2008 |
Jun-28-06 12:49 AM |
#95 |
| -
I'm a smoker and have no probem not smoking |
Jigarotta |
Jun-28-06 12:52 AM |
#97 |
| -
That's great. |
quantessd |
Jun-28-06 01:12 AM |
#103 |
| -
If feel the same way about laws to make kitchen employees wash their hands |
Czolgosz |
Jun-28-06 01:18 AM |
#105 |
| -
My #1 problem with secondhand smoke |
quantessd |
Jun-28-06 01:26 AM |
#106 |
| -
A friend of mine |
laundry_queen |
Jun-28-06 01:50 AM |
#109 |
| -
Amen to that!! |
kdpeters |
Jun-29-06 02:01 AM |
#187 |
| -
Restaurant employees may not find it easy to switch jobs |
Hekate |
Jun-28-06 04:13 AM |
#111 |
| -
I'm a smoker and I'm pretty sure it's not legal to smoke in restaurants... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-28-06 04:52 AM |
#112 |
| -
One simple reason |
adwon |
Jun-28-06 05:36 AM |
#114 |
| -
Non smoker here |
Puglover |
Jun-28-06 06:18 AM |
#116 |
| -
Smoker here... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-28-06 07:56 AM |
#119 |
| -
Hell yeah! They did the same with asbestos! |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-28-06 07:54 AM |
#118 |
| -
Well |
adwon |
Jun-28-06 02:11 PM |
#159 |
| -
not a "socialist" fantasy |
nashville_brook |
Jun-28-06 09:56 AM |
#121 |
| -
It's a mangled quotation |
adwon |
Jun-28-06 01:49 PM |
#157 |
| -
It looks more like a RW fantasy to think that all the ills of the world |
rman |
Jun-28-06 10:27 AM |
#128 |
| -
But what if your place of employment is a restaurant? |
LynneSin |
Jun-28-06 10:47 AM |
#133 |
| -
easy- if you don't like smoke, don't apply at a restaurant or bar. |
QuestionAll |
Jun-28-06 10:50 AM |
#135 |
| -
So instead of making $15/hr I should make minimum wage |
LynneSin |
Jun-28-06 10:53 AM |
#137 |
| -
there are PLENTY of people willing to do the job with the smoke... |
QuestionAll |
Jun-28-06 11:12 AM |
#144 |
| -
Oh my - don't even get me started - now we're enabling discrimination |
LynneSin |
Jun-28-06 11:15 AM |
#146 |
| -
discrimination... puh-lease. |
QuestionAll |
Jun-28-06 11:20 AM |
#149 |
| -
Well, that's exactly what smokers do themselves |
LynneSin |
Jun-28-06 11:22 AM |
#150 |
| -
"...it's just the nicotine talking"...you don't read so well, do you...? |
QuestionAll |
Jun-28-06 11:31 AM |
#154 |
| -
Right now, it is the smokers who are being discriminated against |
question everything |
Jun-28-06 06:45 PM |
#180 |
| -
What about charbroiler pollution? |
sandnsea |
Jun-28-06 05:04 PM |
#174 |
| -
I brought this up before in this thread. |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-28-06 07:15 PM |
#182 |
| -
Meat smoke is worse |
sandnsea |
Jun-28-06 07:30 PM |
#184 |
| -
LOL licking its ass and eating poop! classic... |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-28-06 07:44 PM |
#185 |
| -
In the case of smoking a witch hunt is appropriate. |
deaniac21 |
Jun-28-06 10:49 AM |
#134 |
| -
Witch Hunt for what - no one forces someone to take up smoking |
LynneSin |
Jun-28-06 11:02 AM |
#139 |
| -
Second hand smoke is not a choice. |
deaniac21 |
Jun-28-06 11:27 AM |
#152 |
| -
No smoking sections don't work. |
iconoclastNYC |
Jun-28-06 11:01 AM |
#138 |
| -
Delaware is the same way |
LynneSin |
Jun-28-06 11:04 AM |
#140 |
| -
I'd be great if people could defend smoking indoors without.... |
iconoclastNYC |
Jun-28-06 11:07 AM |
#142 |
| -
I know - it's nauseating |
LynneSin |
Jun-28-06 11:19 AM |
#148 |
| -
Houston restaurants went non-smoking in September. |
Bridget Burke |
Jun-28-06 11:26 AM |
#151 |
| -
I do agree with live and let live |
toymachines |
Jun-28-06 12:36 PM |
#156 |
| -
I am a smoker, and if I want to smoke I'll go to the bar |
anarch |
Jun-28-06 02:24 PM |
#161 |
| -
I just wish they'd make the casino owners switch to non-smoking |
cat_girl25 |
Jun-28-06 03:05 PM |
#165 |
| -
I'm a smoker but in restaurants I don't care if it's disallowed. |
MrSlayer |
Jun-28-06 03:58 PM |
#168 |
| -
Wah wah smokers |
cushla_machree |
Jun-28-06 04:12 PM |
#170 |
| -
What if the bar plays music that i detest, but i still want to go |
rman |
Jun-29-06 12:21 PM |
#189 |
| -
Does bad music give you asthma attacks and cancer? |
Radical Activist |
Jun-29-06 06:40 PM |
#192 |
| -
you could just not go to a place that gives you asthma attacks and cancer |
rman |
Jun-30-06 04:12 AM |
#194 |
| -
ummm |
cushla_machree |
Jun-29-06 10:24 PM |
#193 |
| -
good for you. |
DiverDave |
Jun-28-06 04:17 PM |
#171 |
| -
I live in California and this isn't an issue for me. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-28-06 05:09 PM |
#175 |
| -
Yes, why don't smokers just let me live? |
Radical Activist |
Jun-29-06 06:36 PM |
#190 |
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