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12. Swifts were independent group of vets, not Bush campaign -
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 07:10 PM by blm
They attacked Kerry's service record.

When Delay and Lott attcaked Kerry in 2003 he nailed them much like Webb did, but to a reporter.

Swiftboating is different than confrontations between campaigns.

Of course we know that swifts were really working for Rove, but no way to prove it the first day.

Kerry would have loved to make it against Bush and Rove. It's EASY to attack chickenhawks - swifting, using men who did serve, is a whole other circumstance. GOPs learned that you can't take real vets on directly - you have to do it using other vets to make it work.




Joe Conason: 'Kerry fires back at G.O.P. snipers'
Posted on Wednesday, March 06 @ 09:37:02 EST
This article has been read 1465 times.
By Joe Conason, New York Observer

We are living in a time when scoundrels seek to bully the loyal opposition and demonize all dissent for their own advancement. Thats why certain Republican politicians and pundits have assaulted Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and other Democrats in terms usually reserved for foreign and domestic enemies.

What has been even more troubling than this ugly campaign, however, is the passivity of those who are its targets.

Mr. Daschle and his colleagues have remained inert during recent weeks and months, while their adversaries compared him with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and accused him of giving "aid and comfort" to the nations enemies. They have stood by in silence while authoritarian propaganda emanated from Republican fax machines and spread across the country. Theyve allowed the South Dakota Democrat, an Air Force veteran and bioterror target, to be taunted like a traitor by Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and other tough-talkers who avoided military service as if it were anthrax.

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So it was refreshing to hear at last from a patriot who found his voice and addressed the Republican Congressional leadership in the tone that they deserve. The first Democrat to speak up was, unsurprisingly, a Senator who has been both a war hero and a war protester.

On March 2, John Kerry took the podium at a political dinner in New Hampshire to defend Mr. Daschle, a colleague who is likely to become his rival for their partys Presidential nomination. What the Massachusetts Senator said about Messrs. Lott and DeLayand, by implication, about all the would-be White House enforcersdeserved more attention than a single article in his hometown paper, The Boston Globe.

"Let me be clear tonight to Senator Lott and to Tom DeLay: One of the lessons that I learned in Vietnama war they did not have to endureand one of the basic vows of commitment that I made to myself, was that if I ever reached a position of responsibility, I would never stop asking questions that make a democracy strong," he told the audience of New Hampshire Democrats, whose startled murmurs quickly erupted into a standing ovation.

"Those who try to stifle the vibrancy of our democracy and shield policies from scrutiny behind a false cloak of patriotism miss the real value of what our troops defend and how we best defend our troops," he continued. "We will ask questions, and we will defend our democracy."

A combat veteran who received three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star in two Navy toursand who later founded Vietnam Veterans Against the WarMr. Kerry has ample stature to challenge the character assassins and commissars of the far right. The day after the Concord dinner, he didnt hesitate to reiterate his rebuke, adding the name of another Southern-fried chicken hawk.

"My message to Trent Lott and Tom Delay and Dick Armeyeach of whom did not have to endure the war in Vietnam the lesson I learned in that war is, the best way to defend American democracy and our soldiers is to ask the right questions at the right time."

Suddenly, it was the Republicans who had nothing to say.

You may reach Joe Conason via email at: jconason@observer.com .

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  -Jim Webb DEMOLISHES First Swiftboating Attempt by Allen! DoveTurnedHawk  Jun-27-06 06:38 PM   #0 
  - THAT man knows how to take down Republicans  C_U_L8R   Jun-27-06 06:40 PM   #1 
  - nuthin against people named Felix  burythehatchet   Jun-27-06 06:40 PM   #2 
  - and "junior"--great way to disassociate him from his popular father  spooky3   Jun-27-06 06:57 PM   #16 
  - Yeah, I didn't recognize the name until I went to Webb's  femrap   Jun-27-06 09:50 PM   #66 
  - I loved that constant inclusion. n/t  countmyvote4real   Jun-27-06 07:01 PM   #19 
  - Yeah, when you're  zidzi   Jun-27-06 07:33 PM   #42 
  - That, Sir, Is How The Thing Is Done!  The Magistrate   Jun-27-06 06:41 PM   #3 
  - We can only hope that this gets the press it deserves.  The_Casual_Observer   Jun-27-06 06:43 PM   #4 
  - hahaha...unless being a made man in the BFEE is considered a strength.  blm   Jun-27-06 07:01 PM   #21 
  - Whoa! Impressive. Jardin  Imalittleteapot   Jun-27-06 06:44 PM   #5 
  - Pleased to recommend this shining example  democrank   Jun-27-06 06:47 PM   #6 
  - Now THAT is a beautiful thing!  11 Bravo   Jun-27-06 06:48 PM   #7 
  - My hat's off to Webb  proud patriot   Jun-27-06 06:48 PM   #8 
  - BURN!  wyldwolf   Jun-27-06 06:49 PM   #9 
  - DAMN! All Democrats everywhere take notice.  Mojambo   Jun-27-06 06:49 PM   #10 
  - Punch a bully in the nose and they usually run home crying for mama  ItsTheMediaStupid   Jun-28-06 09:34 AM   #99 
  - Wow! One hell of a piece of writing.  electropop   Jun-27-06 06:49 PM   #11 
  - Swifts were independent group of vets, not Bush campaign -  blm   Jun-27-06 06:50 PM   #12 
  - If Kerry had responded like that then  Pithy Cherub   Jun-27-06 07:06 PM   #24 
  - Swifts are VETS - - they were not chickenhawk politicians - - it's EASY to  blm   Jun-27-06 07:14 PM   #29 
  - All the free media?  karynnj   Jun-27-06 07:21 PM   #33 
  - Yes and when Charlie Gibson on GMA  fedupinBushcountry   Jun-27-06 08:40 PM   #49 
  - I never saw that interview but heard about it here at DU - people were  blm   Jun-28-06 08:34 AM   #91 
     - Two things about that interview  SquireJons   Jul-02-06 01:32 AM   #133 
  - It's not finding proof of a connection  The Wizard   Jun-28-06 07:55 AM   #90 
     - Nice, Wizard  buddyhollysghost   Jun-28-06 08:42 AM   #94 
     - I'll give that rant a 9.5, Wizard  Lasher   Jul-01-06 11:11 PM   #130 
  - how do you feel NOW, Sen. Kerry?  Gabi Hayes   Jun-27-06 06:51 PM   #13 
  - Can we keep this thread positive about Webb, instead of  beachmom   Jun-27-06 07:40 PM   #45 
  - Nice reminder...say it more often.  Lochloosa   Jun-27-06 09:29 PM   #60 
  - No comparison here, Kerry's situation is different and you appear  wisteria   Jun-28-06 08:38 AM   #92 
  - Do you hear something sizzling?  Mythsaje   Jun-27-06 06:51 PM   #14 
  - Ten hut! Sir!  Skidmore   Jun-27-06 06:51 PM   #15 
  - Now THAT is Kicking ASS and taking republicans names!  Pithy Cherub   Jun-27-06 06:57 PM   #17 
  - YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!!!!!! Keep an eye on Webb if he  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-27-06 06:58 PM   #18 
  - LOVE IT! Is he one of the 'Band of Brothers?' Remember their press  in_cog_ni_to   Jun-27-06 07:01 PM   #20 
  - This is good!  RandomUser   Jun-27-06 07:02 PM   #22 
  - from now on it's Sen. FELIX Allen! right?  Gabi Hayes   Jun-27-06 07:05 PM   #23 
  - Now all that remains is for Webb to go over to "Felix"'s campaign HQ and  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-27-06 07:10 PM   #25 
  - You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by damn sight  robertpaulsen   Jun-27-06 07:11 PM   #26 
  - I think Allen is "pretty fuckin' FAR FROM OKAY" after that!  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-27-06 07:13 PM   #27 
  - Yep. He'll think twice before pulling that shit again.  smoogatz   Jun-27-06 10:54 PM   #69 
  - Can't you just wait for the first face-to-face debate!!! Allen must be  autorank   Jun-28-06 01:16 AM   #79 
     - Are there typically face to face debates in Senate races?  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-28-06 05:43 PM   #119 
        - There are here and most places I've lived.  autorank   Jun-28-06 08:38 PM   #123 
  - BAM!  npincus   Jun-27-06 07:14 PM   #28 
  - Webb's campaign is being advised by Jarding and Saunders. . .  DinahMoeHum   Jun-27-06 07:17 PM   #30 
  - One of those guys was on Air America, I really liked him, I should  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-27-06 07:19 PM   #32 
  - They LIED & dishonored HONORABLE vets. same response due. n/t  Pithy Cherub   Jun-27-06 07:21 PM   #35 
     - oops, this is in the wrong place.  Pithy Cherub   Jun-27-06 08:25 PM   #48 
  - Take THAT,,,,,FELIX  Postman   Jun-27-06 07:19 PM   #31 
  - DAMN that was good. K&R! nt  skipos   Jun-27-06 07:21 PM   #34 
  - Wow! Now that's how you swing back at these Rethugs!  Pachamama   Jun-27-06 07:24 PM   #36 
  - His primary campaign slogan was "Born Fighting!"  spooky3   Jun-27-06 07:26 PM   #37 
  - Excellent! Bush is a liability in 2006!  Rex   Jun-27-06 07:27 PM   #38 
  - Whoo hoo!  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jun-27-06 07:29 PM   #39 
  - THIS is nectar for which Democrats have thirsted for many years now.  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-27-06 07:31 PM   #40 
  - "Felix" was foolish enough to have the attack come directly from his  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-27-06 07:32 PM   #41 
  - Exactly - this is a tactical error that wasn't made by Rove and the swifts  blm   Jun-27-06 07:42 PM   #46 
  - Webb will definitely be attacked by a third party  Lasher   Jul-01-06 11:28 PM   #131 
  - Bingo, that's what I am talking about  dogday   Jun-27-06 07:34 PM   #43 
  - Whoa! Now that is fighting back and kicking ass!  Spazito   Jun-27-06 07:36 PM   #44 
  - Jarding Was On 60 Min A While Back w/ Dave Saunders  loindelrio   Jun-27-06 07:43 PM   #47 
  - I AM SO SORRY  never_get_over_it   Jun-27-06 08:44 PM   #50 
  - Felix, you got punked!  Olney Blue   Jun-27-06 08:53 PM   #51 
  - George Felix Allen Jr. - He never knew what hit him.  Rose Siding   Jun-27-06 09:01 PM   #52 
  - OK, Rose, now we gotta get a photoshop with Felix in cowboy boots!  Olney Blue   Jun-27-06 09:12 PM   #56 
     - Close  underpants   Jun-28-06 07:36 AM   #86 
  - 65%-32% Kaine over Kilgore 2005, No. VA ... Wait till you wee Webb's #'s  autorank   Jun-27-06 09:04 PM   #53 
  - "People who live in glass dude ranches...."  yardwork   Jun-27-06 09:08 PM   #54 
  - George FELIX Allen Jr  ruggerson   Jun-27-06 09:11 PM   #55 
  - That is sweet. Felix the faux cowboy.  bklyncowgirl   Jun-27-06 09:22 PM   #59 
     - Isn't that Felix, the guy on the left?  Lasher   Jul-01-06 11:44 PM   #132 
  - I've been waiting four years...  sendero   Jun-27-06 09:16 PM   #57 
  - Perfect...every single word...  seasonedblue   Jun-27-06 09:19 PM   #58 
  - Wow, K & R!!!  Dinger   Jun-27-06 09:33 PM   #61 
  - That's right.......  FrenchieCat   Jun-27-06 09:35 PM   #62 
  - "He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue"  leeroysphits   Jun-27-06 09:37 PM   #63 
  - Felix baby  Maestro   Jun-27-06 09:44 PM   #64 
  - That is exactly how we need to talk to them  goclark   Jun-27-06 09:49 PM   #65 
  - This makes me even happier I voted for him in the primary! n/t  williesgirl   Jun-27-06 10:10 PM   #67 
  - There ya go.  smoogatz   Jun-27-06 10:53 PM   #68 
  - I'm starting to like this guy !  kentuck   Jun-27-06 11:01 PM   #70 
  - Actually, North won that fight ...  11 Bravo   Jun-28-06 07:47 AM   #89 
     - But the middies were rooting for Webb!  Leilani   Jun-28-06 09:11 AM   #97 
  - BRAVO!!!! - THAT"S HOW IT'S DONE!  Julius Civitatus   Jun-27-06 11:09 PM   #71 
  - A thing of beauty  dsc   Jun-27-06 11:13 PM   #72 
  - DTH. Where you been? I missed you. Glad to see you around n/t  NNN0LHI   Jun-27-06 11:17 PM   #73 
  - I second that. And you've taken note of a race  LibDemAlways   Jun-28-06 12:45 PM   #107 
  - Why couldn't Kerry have done that?  tomreedtoon   Jun-27-06 11:21 PM   #74 
  - You can not compare the Webb-Allen race to Senator Kerry's race  wisteria   Jun-28-06 08:46 AM   #95 
  - Ouch! Now *that's* gonna leave a mark!  diamondsndust   Jun-27-06 11:26 PM   #75 
  - Excellent response by Webb!  SeattleGirl   Jun-27-06 11:29 PM   #76 
  - "People who live in glass dude ranches --------"  gully   Jun-27-06 11:39 PM   #77 
  - The guys running this campaign ran Warner's campaign in '01  ruggerson   Jun-27-06 11:40 PM   #78 
  - oh dear, they'll never let him in the DINO club  upi402   Jun-28-06 01:45 AM   #80 
  - Holy @#$%. I can't wait to vote for Webb. (nt)  w4rma   Jun-28-06 02:05 AM   #81 
  - "Felix"  Skinner   Jun-28-06 06:24 AM   #82 
  - This is apparently the fifth F in the "Allen Philosophy"  underpants   Jun-28-06 07:36 AM   #85 
  - Absolutely! Brilliant is spot-on  Norquist Nemesis   Jun-30-06 11:21 AM   #126 
  - Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!  Vinca   Jun-28-06 07:11 AM   #83 
  - ***squish***  Swamp Rat   Jun-28-06 07:21 AM   #84 
  - !!!SWEET NECTAR OF OMG YOU JUST GOT USED!!!  underpants   Jun-28-06 07:37 AM   #87 
  - Hunter S. Thompson, is that you? n/t  yibbehobba   Jun-28-06 07:39 AM   #88 
  - It looks like Webb's campaign staff have been  LibDemAlways   Jun-28-06 08:39 AM   #93 
  - Great to see the cut-and-run/chickenhawk connection! It was  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-28-06 08:51 AM   #96 
  - George FELIX fucking Allen Jr.  Virginia Dare   Jun-28-06 09:25 AM   #98 
  - I love it!!!!  wicket   Jun-28-06 09:57 AM   #100 
  - All I can say is ...WOW!!  Orion The Hunter   Jun-28-06 10:18 AM   #101 
  - I Stand Humbled By This Greatness... n/t  ElboRuum   Jun-28-06 10:26 AM   #102 
  - "Bush-league lapdog" - excellent moniker for the rethugs!! nt  JudyM   Jun-28-06 12:10 PM   #103 
  - exactly what kerry should have done -nt  Scriptor Ignotus   Jun-28-06 12:29 PM   #104 
  - Chickenhawk repukes are the original 'cut & run' crowd & they  NoAmericanTaliban   Jun-28-06 12:30 PM   #105 
  - Beautifully done!  Jazz2006   Jun-28-06 12:36 PM   #106 
  - Dick Wadhams is Rove-lite  starroute   Jun-28-06 12:53 PM   #108 
  - Looks like Wadhams picked the wrong candidate to  LibDemAlways   Jun-28-06 01:05 PM   #109 
  - True...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Jun-30-06 11:18 AM   #125 
  - Yeeeeeha!  kristopher   Jun-28-06 01:28 PM   #110 
  - Talk about a "be-yatch" slap. Well done! n/t  quiet.american   Jun-28-06 03:18 PM   #111 
  - Now all we need...  skids   Jun-28-06 03:21 PM   #112 
  - wow, John Kerry are you taking notes????  LSK   Jun-28-06 03:28 PM   #113 
  - Why? Webb wasn't attacked by a group of veterans - he was attacked by a  blm   Jun-29-06 05:20 PM   #124 
  - well 'bout damn time  libhill   Jun-28-06 03:57 PM   #114 
  - This is an excellent response. All Dems need to get this down, now,  AndyA   Jun-28-06 04:30 PM   #115 
  - Is "Dickwad" really the first part of that guy's name?  Ron_Green   Jun-28-06 04:38 PM   #116 
  - this is beautiful!  dennisnyc   Jun-28-06 05:00 PM   #117 
  - Way to shred the filthy liars! DEMOCRATS, are you taking notice???  grannylib   Jun-28-06 05:42 PM   #118 
  - Now thats refreshing.  Ksec   Jun-28-06 05:45 PM   #120 
  - If he bothers replying to the snarky  PATRICK   Jun-28-06 07:06 PM   #121 
  - I am sooooo proud of Webb  kaygore   Jun-28-06 07:54 PM   #122 
  - I'm sorry. I can't get past 'Felix'.  Midlodemocrat   Jun-30-06 11:26 AM   #127 
  - I love Webb  MrScorpio   Jul-01-06 10:35 AM   #128 
  - THIS is why I voted for Webb instead of Harris  SquireJons   Jul-01-06 08:03 PM   #129 
 

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