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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 02:28 PM
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46. If I were T/O in this situation--afte re-vetting the sources, and if
Edited on Sun Jun-11-06 02:31 PM by Peace Patriot
they seem to hold up (if they can't find any obvious weirdness there)--I would wait out the GJ term--because if something happened like a special Fitzgerald/WH deal to wrap up this prosecution (say, with Cheney as unindicted co-conpirator, which would then have to go to Congress; thence to the "aspen" scenario, Cheney resigns, etc.), no one is likely to find out anything about it until after the GJ concludes. Until then, I don't see what T/O can do. And if they have any doubts about their sources--unless they have "smoking gun" evidence of a sting--they can't really disclose that, at this point. They have to have some certainty about it. And they really can't have certainty, until the GJ concludes (and if Fitz goes to a third GJ, all bets are off--then we will know for sure that something very tangled is happening). What T/O needs to know is, were their sources generally right but got the timing wrong (and T/O made the unforunate mistake of going with that timing), were their sources right but deliberately gave T/O the wrong timing (in which case they could never be trusted again), were the sources providing deliberate disinformation (as a prelim sting on Leftist blogs), were the sources' errors honest or dishonest, and how did T/O fail in its vetting process, or in wrongly interpreting sources' information (if that's what happened)?

I'm sure these are not easy questions to get answers to. If the sources burned them, the sources may not care that they cannot be trusted--and may not be available for further inquiry. Another possibility: the sources themselves may be in a whole lot of trouble right now. What if their info was honest (true, as far as they knew), and they provided it to T/O with good motives--and THEY are the ones who got stung (with planted info)? If Rove is not going to be indicted, he can now destroy them--along with the damage done to T/O.

On a positive note: I've been thinking a lot about this staged Zarqawi bombing, and the timing of it. They've had this guy on spy satellite for a long time now (remember, he was the Al Q supposedly "in Iraq" on which they made the case for Saddam/9/11 conspirator, but it turned out Zarqawi was in Kurdistan, which was under US control--and they lied that he was in cahoots with Saddam.) (Hell, he was/is (who knows?) probably on the Rumsfeld payroll.) So they've had this card to play for a long time. Why now? It gives them a dead Arab on the front pages for a few days, likely to stretch into this week. Is this just November electioneering--playing the first killing and hatred themes for the phony Bush "comeback" narrative in November (the "explanation" for how they "won")? Or does it have a more specific purpose? And the one purpose that seems plausible--that they would play such an important card for--might be an imminent Rove or Cheney indictment.

I admit, there is a large element of hopefulness in this surmise. And their "sacrificing" Cheney (off to his splendiferous retirement), may just mean we get a healthier liar and crook in his place, like Ms. Happy Face Vampira (Rice--I keep trying to identify the cause of the shuddering I feel whenever she's doing her act, and I think that's it-- the tense Happy Face she would put on while she's sucking your blood.) On the other hand, the evil scenarios may just be what I'm guessing that the fascists want or are planning, not what will really happen. Got to keep the faith, and be smart and practical, no matter what happens. (Throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!)



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  -Remember when Jason Leopold said Rove was soon to be indicted? mistertrickster  Jun-11-06 11:58 AM   #0 
  - I Was Looking Around Yesterday On The Truthout Site...  Tace   Jun-11-06 12:00 PM   #1 
  - There was this one:  Hissyspit   Jun-11-06 12:04 PM   #5 
  - Apart from the Leopold Matter  Indykatie   Jun-11-06 12:06 PM   #7 
  - Silence. Absolute silence.  HereSince1628   Jun-11-06 12:02 PM   #2 
  - Damn.... N/T  survivor999   Jun-11-06 12:03 PM   #3 
  - They mentioned this at the yearlykos convention  proud2Blib   Jun-11-06 12:03 PM   #4 
  - One of the panelists vaguely attributed it to a Rove dirty trick. eom  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-11-06 12:45 PM   #17 
  - he actually said he already was indicted  Cocoa   Jun-11-06 12:06 PM   #6 
  - Apparently t/o still refuses to admit the story was false  Harvey Korman   Jun-11-06 12:06 PM   #8 
  - Hmmm, I think if I were Leopold, I'd be grilling my sources by now.  mistertrickster   Jun-11-06 12:15 PM   #11 
     - I hate to say it, but  Harvey Korman   Jun-11-06 12:32 PM   #15 
        - Anyone who hasn't seen "Shattered Glass (2003)"  Protagoras   Jun-11-06 01:39 PM   #40 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-06 12:09 PM   #9 
  - They're sticking to their story.  rucky   Jun-11-06 12:11 PM   #10 
  - Please see my post upthread.  Harvey Korman   Jun-11-06 12:44 PM   #16 
  - There's a court hearing on Monday, on Libby. A bunch of new docs  Peace Patriot   Jun-11-06 12:15 PM   #12 
  - Okay, thanks for the info--I just so hoped it would all be public by now.  mistertrickster   Jun-11-06 12:19 PM   #14 
  - I think TO should address this one way or the other.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-11-06 12:18 PM   #13 
  - Well, they said they vetted their sources. What else can they do, if THEY  Peace Patriot   Jun-11-06 12:50 PM   #19 
     - Harvey Korman is right, that sealed indictments are often used in  Peace Patriot   Jun-11-06 01:04 PM   #25 
        - OK, fair enough.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-11-06 01:09 PM   #27 
           - If I were T/O in this situation--afte re-vetting the sources, and if  Peace Patriot   Jun-11-06 02:28 PM   #46 
  - aw, the memories...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 12:49 PM   #18 
  - SHWEEEETIE! Got your PM!  Sugar Smack   Jun-11-06 12:52 PM   #20 
  - Czarina...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 12:56 PM   #21 
  - come see my new balloons...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 01:00 PM   #23 
     - HOLY SHIT, that has got to be one of the funniest things  Sugar Smack   Jun-11-06 01:05 PM   #26 
        - ain't that a hoot...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 01:17 PM   #29 
           - WHERE do you & I get such balloons?? Not to threadjack or  Sugar Smack   Jun-11-06 01:21 PM   #31 
              - you know, you're right, a search of the title on the door of the truck...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 01:33 PM   #38 
  - delete...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 12:59 PM   #22 
  - Unless I'm mistaken, that is NOT what Leopold said...  BlooInBloo   Jun-11-06 01:02 PM   #24 
  - When someone who tries to do good work, and HAS DONE immense good  Peace Patriot   Jun-11-06 01:23 PM   #32 
  - Wah.  BlooInBloo   Jun-11-06 01:30 PM   #36 
  - Are you referring to Leopold??  IsIt1984Yet   Jun-11-06 01:33 PM   #37 
  - What is funny is that some people need to keep on it  johnnie   Jun-11-06 01:57 PM   #41 
  - Thanks for putting the groupie talking points in a nutshell.  Seabiscuit   Jun-11-06 02:20 PM   #44 
     - You want evidence??? Why do you hate America!!?!?  BlooInBloo   Jun-11-06 02:26 PM   #45 
     - You're just JEALOUS!  Seabiscuit   Jun-11-06 02:30 PM   #48 
     - No, what's really insulting to the people at DU...  johnnie   Jun-11-06 02:45 PM   #49 
        - Is it *possible* to insult the intelligence of believers-w/o-evidence?  BlooInBloo   Jun-11-06 02:52 PM   #50 
           - I get it now  johnnie   Jun-11-06 03:04 PM   #51 
              - Why do the credulous REFUSE to address the issue?  BlooInBloo   Jun-11-06 03:19 PM   #52 
                 - Just the facts, Jack.  Rex   Jun-11-06 03:42 PM   #54 
                 - Their evidence is their sources--sensitive insider sources. They can't  Peace Patriot   Jun-11-06 04:53 PM   #62 
                 - Who's gonna give you that evidence, hmm?  TheGoldenRule   Jun-11-06 04:55 PM   #63 
  - You're Correct...  arwalden   Jun-11-06 01:24 PM   #34 
     - The indictment is sealed - on the 4th floor of Patton-Boggs  DancingBear   Jun-11-06 03:55 PM   #56 
        - I'd Be More Impressed If It Has Been Hermetically Sealed...  arwalden   Jun-11-06 04:10 PM   #58 
  - Are we sure he hasn't been? - n/t  porphyrian   Jun-11-06 01:10 PM   #28 
  - I'm holding out hope for Leopold's story.  WA98296   Jun-11-06 01:20 PM   #30 
  - ....  RandomKoolzip   Jun-11-06 01:23 PM   #33 
  - Yeah, I remember.  IsIt1984Yet   Jun-11-06 01:27 PM   #35 
  - No One Knows For Sure Yet.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-11-06 01:33 PM   #39 
  - perhaps, but one thing that should be abundantly, mind-nummingly...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 02:00 PM   #42 
     - And so OUR response to THEIR creating a world in which "there is no  Peace Patriot   Jun-11-06 03:28 PM   #53 
        - Not me. I concentrate on the don't-need-no-stinkin-evidence DUers....  BlooInBloo   Jun-11-06 04:14 PM   #59 
        - there it is cheers...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 04:37 PM   #61 
        - my point is made here: they will be ragging on "one point", if that...  bridgit   Jun-11-06 04:36 PM   #60 
  - There is one thing that speaks  Justice Is Comin   Jun-11-06 02:17 PM   #43 
  - Precisely. That's the one thing left that gives me hope.  Seabiscuit   Jun-11-06 02:28 PM   #47 
  - That is one thing we know for sure  dogday   Jun-11-06 04:03 PM   #57 
  - Grow up  troubleinwinter   Jun-11-06 03:46 PM   #55 
  - Locking.  pinto   Jun-11-06 05:20 PM   #64 
 

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