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Sun Jun-11-06 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #84 |
| 112. Putting words in other folks mouths |
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is a poor habit to get into. Because of course I'm saying nothing of the sort. However, must I remind you that we don't know what happened in Haditha yet? It's still murky. Those implicated have yet to be charged. They're denying that they carried out a massacre. Al-Z. very publicly verbalized his deeds. The truth may be that the Marines in Haditha committed a revenge massacre. Very bad indeed if it's true, but the comparison to Al-Z is still imperfect. One can see distinctions without condoning the actions of Marines.
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| -Why would soldiers beat a wanted enemy on a stretcher TO DEATH? |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:13 AM |
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I could think of plenty of reasons |
thecorrection |
Jun-11-06 08:18 AM |
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What if they had Osama, captured, and they beat him to death? |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:20 AM |
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After seeing enough death and carnage, they lose it. |
Acadia Blue |
Jun-11-06 08:48 AM |
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That is the official story |
BoneDaddy |
Jun-11-06 08:49 AM |
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The Sunday Times has this to say |
Little Star |
Jun-11-06 10:44 AM |
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Is that link still working? |
mistertrickster |
Jun-11-06 11:21 AM |
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Link to great article |
Little Star |
Jun-11-06 03:48 PM |
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"Can it maintain the momentum?" |
SlavesandBulldozers |
Jun-11-06 07:31 PM |
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NBC had a war documentary on today: It's all reality TV, now. |
jazzjunkysue |
Jun-11-06 08:25 PM |
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exactly. |
SlavesandBulldozers |
Jun-11-06 09:30 PM |
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Thanks. What's ween? |
jazzjunkysue |
Jun-12-06 06:11 PM |
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they have a song called "reggaejunkiejew", so i thought maybe |
SlavesandBulldozers |
Jun-13-06 06:05 PM |
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"killing for the purpose of silencing him" |
petgoat |
Jun-11-06 03:27 PM |
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Was anger an option for al-Z too? |
wtmusic |
Jun-11-06 10:44 AM |
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Of course there was a reason for Abu Ghraib. |
smoogatz |
Jun-11-06 11:28 AM |
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Jun-11-06 08:19 AM |
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And just maybe, in a climate of aggressive pre-emptive war, they like it |
indepat |
Jun-11-06 08:21 AM |
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He's reported to have moaned something, maybe they beat it out of him. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:22 AM |
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Bullshit |
cali |
Jun-11-06 08:23 AM |
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bravo. Needed to be said |
jrd200x |
Jun-11-06 08:27 AM |
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too young to know better......... |
blue sky at night |
Jun-11-06 08:30 AM |
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You misunderstood my comment |
jrd200x |
Jun-11-06 08:41 AM |
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They're on planet "follow orders or get shot." No way should we |
mistertrickster |
Jun-11-06 11:27 AM |
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Absolutely, yes. They do what they're told to do, what they're trained |
mistertrickster |
Jun-11-06 11:25 AM |
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They are not trained to maim and kill only |
treestar |
Jun-11-06 11:50 AM |
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Right, I think we're on the same side here. I don't think the troops |
mistertrickster |
Jun-11-06 11:55 AM |
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WHY |
blue sky at night |
Jun-11-06 08:29 AM |
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Well bully for you and your simplistic hatred |
cali |
Jun-11-06 08:47 AM |
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Bullshit it may be ... |
thecorrection |
Jun-11-06 08:30 AM |
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It's not the same thing |
treestar |
Jun-11-06 11:52 AM |
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It's just an unfounded rumor. Take it to Drudge. nt |
MookieWilson |
Jun-11-06 08:38 AM |
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Because they were ordered to kill him |
DoYouEverWonder |
Jun-11-06 08:46 AM |
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Exactly. It's a crime to beat a wounded enemy to death. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:48 AM |
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Especially, since at that point |
DoYouEverWonder |
Jun-11-06 08:53 AM |
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Yes the quaint Geneva Conventions and |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-11-06 09:42 AM |
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I would think beating a wounded to death is a war crime. |
lizzy |
Jun-11-06 08:51 AM |
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I believe that the houses |
DoYouEverWonder |
Jun-11-06 08:54 AM |
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But this applies to 'the insurgents' as well; no? |
PaulHo |
Jun-11-06 08:59 AM |
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Yes Zarqawi was human |
cali |
Jun-11-06 09:19 AM |
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In my opinion, it is as simple as right from wrong. |
cornermouse |
Jun-11-06 09:50 AM |
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The only thing that's simple |
cali |
Jun-11-06 10:03 AM |
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al-Z's depraved indifference is nothing like Haditha |
wtmusic |
Jun-11-06 10:39 AM |
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Putting words in other folks mouths |
cali |
Jun-11-06 12:14 PM |
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No comparison--Al Z is more honest |
wtmusic |
Jun-11-06 04:38 PM |
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You don't know what happens, ever, and you never will. |
jazzjunkysue |
Jun-11-06 08:35 PM |
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Do you honestly believe |
sweetheart |
Jun-11-06 09:32 AM |
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Sure, I believe it's possible |
cali |
Jun-11-06 09:53 AM |
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I'm not talking about the troops |
sweetheart |
Jun-11-06 10:04 AM |
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Jun-11-06 11:55 AM |
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Perhaps you shouldn't |
cali |
Jun-11-06 12:22 PM |
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Jun-11-06 08:25 AM |
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The bombs didn't kill him, so they did. He was supposed to die. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:26 AM |
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I would assert that he deserved to die |
jrd200x |
Jun-11-06 08:29 AM |
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Sub humans don't deserve trials eh? Why didn't they kill Saddam? |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:35 AM |
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Was he a general? |
jrd200x |
Jun-11-06 08:40 AM |
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Where did I defend Zarqawi? |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:41 AM |
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Of course he was a scumbag... |
iamahaingttta |
Jun-11-06 09:50 AM |
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Unfortunately, it probably is bullshit |
oldcoot |
Jun-11-06 02:33 PM |
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If he was a common criminal and was caught alive, he should |
JDPriestly |
Jun-11-06 10:06 AM |
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It is called the rule of law. |
The Stranger |
Jun-11-06 11:45 AM |
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In our system you have a right to be brought to trial. Random killings |
KoKo01 |
Jun-11-06 08:45 AM |
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If we captured him alive, he should have been given a trial and |
JDPriestly |
Jun-11-06 08:53 AM |
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Good questions.....and now we will never know the answers... |
KoKo01 |
Jun-11-06 10:08 AM |
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Even if it's a war crime to kill him like that? n/t |
Little Star |
Jun-11-06 11:19 AM |
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Fortunately, it is not for you to decide who on this planet lives. |
The Stranger |
Jun-11-06 11:43 AM |
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It's a crime we will never know. And I mean that both ways. n/t |
rosesaylavee |
Jun-11-06 09:06 AM |
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Gee, maybe it was because he beheaded and blew up so many people |
jrd200x |
Jun-11-06 08:26 AM |
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Well let's not rely on THEM to give us the complete picture. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:27 AM |
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Yes, that is true. |
jrd200x |
Jun-11-06 08:29 AM |
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Can you offer an answer to my question? |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:31 AM |
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How would we know? |
jrd200x |
Jun-11-06 08:38 AM |
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Are you going by the made for tv videos |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-11-06 09:49 AM |
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so explain how we are...... |
blue sky at night |
Jun-11-06 08:31 AM |
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Here's the differance |
guruoo |
Jun-11-06 01:52 PM |
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One breath you rationalize criminal behavior |
acmejack |
Jun-11-06 09:10 AM |
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Have you ever heard of the Nuremburg trials? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-11-06 10:08 AM |
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It's anything but wise to say anything at DU supportive of........... |
Minnesota Libra |
Jun-11-06 08:30 AM |
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It's better PR for us and great shame for Zarqawi to be captured alive. nt |
MookieWilson |
Jun-11-06 08:40 AM |
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Could be - it would certainly avoid that martyr issue. nt |
Minnesota Libra |
Jun-11-06 08:50 AM |
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That's where I would put my money ... I think our soldiers |
rosesaylavee |
Jun-11-06 09:11 AM |
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wait, wha... whaaa??? I took 1 day off from DU - where did you hear this?? |
helderheid |
Jun-11-06 08:31 AM |
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It's all over the web, google it up. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:33 AM |
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just did - cannot find one report. Can you help me out? |
helderheid |
Jun-11-06 08:37 AM |
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Here's a page full. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:39 AM |
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thanks - I was messing up the name. Big fat DUH on my head. thanks! |
helderheid |
Jun-11-06 08:41 AM |
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I went to the link you posted. All have disclaimers |
Poppyseedman |
Jun-11-06 09:13 AM |
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Jun-11-06 09:14 AM |
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Your link has a LA Times story that seems to have the best account |
Poppyseedman |
Jun-11-06 09:21 AM |
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Okay, dude, I agree that it's entirely possible. But that doesn't mean |
mistertrickster |
Jun-11-06 11:34 AM |
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Why capture the Saddam boys too? Just kill 'em all |
DainBramaged |
Jun-11-06 08:37 AM |
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War is Hell |
oneinok |
Jun-11-06 08:45 AM |
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Welcome to DU! |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-11-06 09:55 AM |
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How do you know the Iraq forces didn't beat the POS to death. |
Poppyseedman |
Jun-11-06 08:41 AM |
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I don't know. Several reports claim witnesses witnessed it. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:43 AM |
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Why would soldiers MURDER infants and toddlers at Haditha? |
NoodleyAppendage |
Jun-11-06 08:45 AM |
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But I thought beating an injured enemy to death was a war crime-- |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 08:46 AM |
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Exactly. He wasn't wearing a "uniform"; therefore, he's not human. n/t |
NoodleyAppendage |
Jun-11-06 09:28 AM |
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no, the Genevas are a quaint anachronism. Worthless in a modern world |
antifaschits |
Jun-11-06 11:02 AM |
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I was wondering yesterday what really happened |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-11-06 08:48 AM |
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The only story that is all over the map |
DoYouEverWonder |
Jun-11-06 08:56 AM |
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I know, |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-11-06 10:00 AM |
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IF....IF....IF.... this report is true |
democrank |
Jun-11-06 08:59 AM |
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I don't know if they did or they didn't, |
antfarm |
Jun-11-06 09:03 AM |
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Don't scold me. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 09:04 AM |
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Oh, you're entitled to your opinion. |
antfarm |
Jun-11-06 09:06 AM |
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The DOD now admits that they captured him alive |
DoYouEverWonder |
Jun-11-06 10:07 AM |
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The outrage is not over the death of Zarqawi. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-11-06 10:33 AM |
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It is not a question of sympathy |
oldcoot |
Jun-11-06 02:17 PM |
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I don't know if it is true. |
antfarm |
Jun-11-06 06:39 PM |
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Again, I am NOT a Zarqawi Sympathizer. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 06:55 PM |
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Lots of things. |
antfarm |
Jun-11-06 07:10 PM |
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Why didn't they just shoot him? Cause it had to look like a bombing. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 09:03 AM |
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That's why they are only showing |
DoYouEverWonder |
Jun-11-06 10:08 AM |
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If they did beat him to death, it was a break down in discipline |
alfredo |
Jun-11-06 10:04 AM |
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K&R It was also a war crime if true. n/t |
Little Star |
Jun-11-06 10:47 AM |
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Oh sure. It wouldn't have happened if we'd kept our eye on the |
alfredo |
Jun-11-06 11:24 AM |
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Thank you! I get so sick of that sarcastic and pompous |
treestar |
Jun-11-06 11:54 AM |
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Still they must be "gentlemen" not savages. War is a prime |
alfredo |
Jun-11-06 12:38 PM |
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Disinfo alert!!! |
Finder |
Jun-11-06 10:23 AM |
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You could be right. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 10:45 AM |
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Not you... |
Finder |
Jun-11-06 10:52 AM |
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Whoever calls al-Zarqawi "vermin", "scum", etc. |
wtmusic |
Jun-11-06 10:37 AM |
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You know what a trial costs in Iraq? It was a cost saving move. |
antifaschits |
Jun-11-06 11:00 AM |
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I think I'll wait for more information as to what really happened |
dmordue |
Jun-11-06 11:01 AM |
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they haven't told us the truth about anything for 5-1/2 years |
leftofthedial |
Jun-11-06 11:04 AM |
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My theory: he was already dead before the airstrike. |
smoogatz |
Jun-11-06 11:32 AM |
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Wake up. |
The Stranger |
Jun-11-06 11:41 AM |
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Just saw an Army General on CNN saying that's not true |
DesertRat |
Jun-11-06 11:58 AM |
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They needed a Zarqawi. |
Gregorian |
Jun-11-06 12:00 PM |
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Actually, they are now claiming |
DoYouEverWonder |
Jun-11-06 07:51 PM |
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Why do you believe the story of an anonymous witness? |
smitty |
Jun-11-06 02:11 PM |
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I never indicated that I believed it. |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 02:14 PM |
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at this point, a random witness has more credibility than the administrati |
Lerkfish |
Jun-11-06 03:19 PM |
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lol |
SlavesandBulldozers |
Jun-11-06 07:34 PM |
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well, well, well. And so the story changes again. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-11-06 03:20 PM |
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One "eye witness" sure can stir up the pot |
Retired AF Dem |
Jun-11-06 04:53 PM |
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"Zarqawi Beaten--That's Baloney"..Gen. George Casey on Fox news |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-11-06 05:34 PM |
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Easy |
Raine |
Jun-11-06 07:39 PM |
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Lack of "care" kills.. Maybe they just "ignored" him to death |
SoCalDem |
Jun-12-06 06:40 PM |
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