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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 01:44 PM
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11. Keep in mind people that there's a flip side to this.
While a few churches do somewhat dabble in politics in the abortion debate and euthanasia discussions, it's pretty rare for them to directly get involved in electing leaders. If you strip them of tax-exempt status, that will all change. You'll have religious leaders coming out directly endorsing candidates..."God wants all you good Baptists to vote for Jeb this November!" or "The Pope says that any Catholic voting for Hillary Clinton this November will be going to hell, because she supports abortion and God will treat anyone supporting that as a CHILD KILLER!".

Stripping churches of their tax exempt status will invite them into the public arena in ways that none of us have experienced in our lifetimes. In fact, part of the reason for churches HAVING tax exempt status nowadays is to keep them out of the public political arena as much as possible...the threat of taxation for direct political involvement is usually enough to keep them discrete and to force them to keep their endorsements indirect.

Keep in mind that the elderly are a huge voting block in this country, and that by a great majority they tend to vote Democratic (because we support Medicaid, SS, and other programs important to them). Unfortunately, elderly people ALSO tend to be far more religious than the rest of the population...people tend to fall back on their faith when they get old and realize that their lives are in twilight. Repeal the tax exempt status and you'll have conservative pastors all over this country scaring these old people into voting conservative out of fear for their immortal souls.
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  -Should Churches Pay Taxes? bryant69  Jun-07-06 01:20 PM   #0 
  - my answer is...  nickinSTL   Jun-07-06 01:22 PM   #1 
  - Churches should pay taxes if they start preaching politics.  EOO   Jun-07-06 01:22 PM   #2 
  - If the church  waiting for hope   Jun-07-06 01:23 PM   #3 
  - It would be nice to tax commercial property  Warpy   Jun-07-06 01:25 PM   #4 
  - Yep, what you said. Precisely.  MADem   Jun-07-06 01:31 PM   #8 
  - Churches have proved they will not stay out of issues of state  liberal N proud   Jun-07-06 01:26 PM   #5 
  - Churhes that preach politics ala Falwell & bet they should  spanone   Jun-07-06 01:28 PM   #6 
  - I concur with the other posts regarding church and politics.  AndyA   Jun-07-06 01:29 PM   #7 
  - No and no.  porphyrian   Jun-07-06 01:37 PM   #9 
  - Legally, non-profits don't have to be charitable.  Xithras   Jun-07-06 01:58 PM   #12 
     - Then no Christian church should be a Mutual Benefit nonprofit.  porphyrian   Jun-07-06 02:11 PM   #15 
     - That's a really unfair question  bryant69   Jun-07-06 02:36 PM   #18 
     - You're not making an accurate comparison.  porphyrian   Jun-07-06 02:58 PM   #20 
        - Ah  bryant69   Jun-07-06 03:14 PM   #21 
           - You still don't get it, so I'll keep spelling it out.  porphyrian   Jun-07-06 03:25 PM   #25 
           - I'm sorry to be so slow  bryant69   Jun-07-06 03:39 PM   #30 
              - You're only slow at getting to what really bothers you about my post.  porphyrian   Jun-07-06 03:47 PM   #33 
                 - I'm sorry for my misspelling  bryant69   Jun-07-06 03:54 PM   #36 
                 - For those who do not claim to represent Jesus.  porphyrian   Jun-07-06 04:01 PM   #38 
                    - Doensn't every Christian claim to represent Jesus?  bryant69   Jun-07-06 04:42 PM   #39 
                       - Not at all, and not relevant anyway. Most Christians don't claim...  porphyrian   Jun-08-06 12:59 PM   #40 
                 - What about the non-taxed dollars that don't go to a kid being a bombed?  JVS   Jun-09-06 04:07 AM   #44 
                    - That's extraneous to my argument and doesn't disprove it. - n/t  porphyrian   Jun-09-06 02:08 PM   #49 
           - wow  JVS   Jun-09-06 04:03 AM   #43 
     - The same could be said about homeowners associations.  Xithras   Jun-07-06 03:19 PM   #22 
        - Homeowners associations don't claim to represent Jesus.  porphyrian   Jun-07-06 03:28 PM   #26 
           - The government cannot judge the religious claims of the organization.  Xithras   Jun-07-06 03:37 PM   #29 
              - I'm not saying the government should.  porphyrian   Jun-07-06 03:49 PM   #34 
     - Excellent answer  JVS   Jun-09-06 04:02 AM   #42 
  - It is impossible for churches to not affect politics.  mccoyn   Jun-07-06 01:40 PM   #10 
  - Keep in mind people that there's a flip side to this.  Xithras   Jun-07-06 01:44 PM   #11 
  - "God wants all you good Baptists to vote for Jeb this November"  endarkenment   Jun-07-06 02:11 PM   #14 
  - Very different.  Xithras   Jun-07-06 03:34 PM   #28 
  - I'm sorry, but they ARE doing that right now. And they have been for years  dicksteele   Jun-07-06 02:51 PM   #19 
     - No, they aren't.  Xithras   Jun-07-06 03:24 PM   #24 
        - I'd like to add something to your point, if I may  JVS   Jun-09-06 04:31 AM   #47 
  - "poor community churches? "  oneold1-4u   Jun-07-06 02:07 PM   #13 
  - They should get the same deal as any other non-profit.  endarkenment   Jun-07-06 02:13 PM   #16 
  - I don't have any problems with churhes getting into  Sgent   Jun-07-06 02:30 PM   #17 
  - Churches receive tax-supported community services.  TahitiNut   Jun-07-06 03:23 PM   #23 
  - Churches should not pay taxes, but religious broadcasters should  noonwitch   Jun-07-06 03:32 PM   #27 
  - bryant69 is a Christian, genius.  Zhade   Jun-09-06 08:15 PM   #51 
  - Since from what I can see, some of our mega-churches here are  lectrobyte   Jun-07-06 03:42 PM   #31 
  - I think it depends on if the church is operating as a service  qanda   Jun-07-06 03:45 PM   #32 
  - I picked no taxes, but politicians should be banned from  carolinalady   Jun-07-06 03:52 PM   #35 
  - Would someone please explain to me why churches shouldn't  greyhound1966   Jun-07-06 03:58 PM   #37 
  - On what property?  eridani   Jun-09-06 03:44 AM   #41 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-06 04:08 AM   #45 
  - My feeling is that it is unconstitutional for churches to be tax-exempt.  mykpart   Jun-09-06 04:18 AM   #46 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-06 04:44 AM   #48 
  - Churches should not pay taxes -  lynne   Jun-09-06 02:51 PM   #50 
  - Sure..If you want Churches involved in government  Freedom_Aflaim   Jun-09-06 08:30 PM   #52 
  - Yes. No wonder they vote against us. n/t  UTUSN   Jun-09-06 09:09 PM   #53 

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