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carl_pwccaman (259 posts)

Wed Jun-07-06 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #46

54. Chomsky on minimizing Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge Apologism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky

Just another reason why 'idols' and rhetoric, become part of a dangerous game.

Let's just say I have some linguistic theories of my own as to why Chavez is so popular among some, and why Chomsky is so controversial.

Democrats can do better. I hope they do. It's hard to argue for a better brand of idiocy to people who are already disenchanted, even when that better brand of idiocy really is better, I mean, for the sake of the country, Chavez and Chomsky aren't Martin Luther King or anything, give me a break.

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Facts please, on the reasons to dislike or hate Hugo Chavez or his party	upi402	Jun-06-06 10:41 PM	#0
He's a.......SOCIALIST! he wants to use the resources of his nation to	Gabi Hayes	Jun-06-06 10:45 PM	#1
yes, socialism, especially southish of the equator, is a virus...	Jigarotta	Jun-06-06 10:52 PM	#8
yeah....and what about those damn Swedes and Finns and stuff	Gabi Hayes	Jun-06-06 10:58 PM	#16
and those commie Canadians too! nt	Jigarotta	Jun-06-06 10:59 PM	#18
how could I forget....training terrists to get over here and steal	Gabi Hayes	Jun-06-06 11:15 PM	#28
um, can I break into this love fest and	upi402	Jun-07-06 12:08 AM	#55
now you've gone too FAR, vraiment! alons y!	Gabi Hayes	Jun-07-06 12:19 AM	#61
There are Socialist Democratics but the Party is not Leninist or Marxist.	carl_pwccaman	Jun-07-06 11:18 PM	#124
thanks for the link	knowbody0	Jun-06-06 10:48 PM	#2
Trying to get facts out of the Chavez bashers here is like	diamondsndust	Jun-06-06 10:49 PM	#3
Popcorn: CHECK	file83	Jun-09-06 12:27 AM	#159
I like him simply because he pisses * off.	Buck Laser	Jun-06-06 10:49 PM	#4
If you are *ss you hate him because he nationalized the oil wells	jwirr	Jun-06-06 10:50 PM	#5
Chomsky on US Hysteria about Chavez...	Jigarotta	Jun-06-06 10:51 PM	#6
Thanks to postman and greyhound	upi402	Jun-06-06 10:53 PM	#9
I don't hate him	BayCityProgressive	Jun-06-06 10:53 PM	#10
well, I hope it Does spread.	Jigarotta	Jun-06-06 10:58 PM	#14
so	BayCityProgressive	Jun-06-06 11:00 PM	#21
is chavez a communist?	Jigarotta	Jun-06-06 11:23 PM	#37
I never said Chavez was communist	BayCityProgressive	Jun-06-06 11:49 PM	#49
not as tyrannical as bush then...	Jigarotta	Jun-06-06 11:54 PM	#50
Unless you count...	vogonjiltz	Jun-07-06 02:38 AM	#101
This link might be helpful, if you've not seen it:	Judi Lynn	Jun-07-06 02:50 AM	#107
i think it would've done fine without US impediments for decades	upi402	Jun-07-06 12:18 AM	#59
Ahh Bill Hicks	Djinn	Jun-07-06 01:19 AM	#80
2 sides of the same damn coin	upi402	Jun-07-06 01:26 AM	#83
He has failings	LittleClarkie	Jun-06-06 10:59 PM	#17
'hater' labe is probably meant in a generic way. I know I didn't say it	upi402	Jun-07-06 12:23 AM	#63
Human Rights Watch on Chavez...	carl_pwccaman	Jun-06-06 11:40 PM	#46
Chomsky on minimizing Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge Apologism	carl_pwccaman	Jun-07-06 12:08 AM	#54
what Chomsky actually said:	Douglas Carpenter	Jun-07-06 01:04 AM	#77
what chomsky really said AND what his detracter REALLY said	upi402	Jun-07-06 01:13 AM	#78
your post is just another reason	Djinn	Jun-07-06 02:20 AM	#98
But his disputed reputation on the issue is good for Democrats how?	carl_pwccaman	Jun-07-06 06:34 PM	#117
um what?	Djinn	Jun-07-06 09:36 PM	#119
DU, Democrats, Chomsky defense reactions, not helpful	carl_pwccaman	Jun-07-06 10:57 PM	#121
so what if people see Chomsky as problematic	Djinn	Jun-07-06 11:46 PM	#125
Ah, so it doesn't matter whether attacks on a person are TRUE or not	Commie Pinko Dirtbag	Jun-09-06 10:32 AM	#170
But they were right wingers, so that's okay	LittleClarkie	Jun-07-06 12:45 AM	#70
There we go! Thanks. And this from Amnesty was before Chavez	upi402	Jun-07-06 12:46 AM	#71
Chavez - the media and free speech	Douglas Carpenter	Jun-07-06 12:54 AM	#74
Would you be good enough to find the part which proves Chavez	Judi Lynn	Jun-07-06 05:29 AM	#112
Are you concerned about some of what Human Rights Watch is saying?	carl_pwccaman	Jun-07-06 06:37 PM	#118
Great link. Thank you.	Vidar	Jun-07-06 04:54 AM	#111
kick (nt)	stepnw1f	Jun-06-06 10:52 PM	#7
I don't hate him	northzax	Jun-06-06 10:54 PM	#11
Sorry, too nuanced	LittleClarkie	Jun-06-06 10:58 PM	#15
yes, actually n/t	upi402	Jun-06-06 11:08 PM	#23
OK sure. But lets be honest -we shoot their elected leaders and unionists	upi402	Jun-06-06 11:07 PM	#22
so because he's doing the same thing we condemn the US for doing	northzax	Jun-06-06 11:13 PM	#26
no, really i don't think that way at all	upi402	Jun-07-06 01:46 AM	#87
Don't know about you	Djinn	Jun-07-06 02:27 AM	#99
See the new Noam Chomsky article on Chavez and the US anti-Chavez	Peace Patriot	Jun-06-06 10:56 PM	#12
Chavez might step over the line occasionally	Demo5	Jun-06-06 11:00 PM	#20
to be fair, Venezuela has a long and storied tradition of coups	northzax	Jun-06-06 11:15 PM	#30
The Bolivar movement (and coup) and the Zapatista movement	upi402	Jun-07-06 02:12 AM	#95
I believe almost every party that has held presidency in Venezuela	1932	Jun-07-06 11:56 PM	#127
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-07-06 11:04 PM	#122
Venezuelans wrote into constitution that ability to "pack" the court	1932	Jun-08-06 12:02 AM	#128
I frankly don't know of a freer press and media in the whole world	Douglas Carpenter	Jun-09-06 04:12 AM	#163
Lots of stuff about torture on the HRW US page:	struggle4progress	Jun-08-06 09:54 PM	#146
Venezuela's neighbor Colombia seems to have a human rights crisis:	struggle4progress	Jun-08-06 09:57 PM	#147
compared to....	Douglas Carpenter	Jun-09-06 04:00 AM	#162
sure, his reforms may be 'genuine'	northzax	Jun-06-06 11:11 PM	#24
Venezuela is getting 'richer', economy is booming	rman	Jun-09-06 05:59 AM	#167
This is the same thing I find	upi402	Jun-06-06 11:15 PM	#29
one fact that I keep posting, and the Chavezistas keep ignoring...	northzax	Jun-06-06 11:19 PM	#33
Stratfor considers #1 most likely	charlie	Jun-06-06 11:26 PM	#39
they say! are those theys the Somesays from Faux News?	Gabi Hayes	Jun-06-06 11:37 PM	#45
Blam! One messenger dead	charlie	Jun-06-06 11:49 PM	#48
like I said....too freakin' funny	Gabi Hayes	Jun-07-06 12:03 AM	#52
Aw hell, forget it	charlie	Jun-07-06 12:14 AM	#57
hey...lighten up....I missed the first part of your presentation.	Gabi Hayes	Jun-07-06 12:16 AM	#58
Hey, light up	charlie	Jun-07-06 12:24 AM	#65
but Chavez is a fifth columnist	northzax	Jun-07-06 12:27 AM	#67
Seems like big oil and opec are not open to a revolutionary socialist	upi402	Jun-08-06 10:12 PM	#149
is this the audited statement in question?	upi402	Jun-08-06 11:33 PM	#150
read the date	northzax	Jun-08-06 11:49 PM	#153
Thanks. Yes I knew the date and it was late -the reason obvious	upi402	Jun-09-06 12:21 AM	#156
that's the reason you have an independant audit	northzax	Jun-09-06 10:17 AM	#168
who says it isn't?	northzax	Jun-07-06 12:25 AM	#66
you can't win, you know	northzax	Jun-07-06 12:18 AM	#60
so who made you the expert? can't win with the likes of you,	Gabi Hayes	Jun-07-06 01:01 AM	#75
and......no answer. That should tell you all you need to know about that	U4ikLefty	Jun-07-06 01:34 AM	#84
you are correct, the agenda was clear	northzax	Jun-07-06 09:01 AM	#115
I for one would like to know what's up. If they're in over their heads	greyhound1966	Jun-07-06 12:43 AM	#69
could you find the source for that snip please?	upi402	Jun-07-06 02:18 AM	#97
Is it permissable to just not think he's the greatest thing since sliced	LittleClarkie	Jun-06-06 10:56 PM	#13
of COURSE not! where do you think you are? DU?	Gabi Hayes	Jun-06-06 11:00 PM	#19
hey, he knows how to put down a coup	northzax	Jun-06-06 11:13 PM	#27
could you expound please n/t	upi402	Jun-06-06 11:17 PM	#32
he led a coup of his own in 1992	northzax	Jun-06-06 11:20 PM	#35
righto! DAMN that Sam Adams, anyway.	Gabi Hayes	Jun-07-06 01:03 AM	#76
No labelling here. Why do you 'dislike' him was the O/P	upi402	Jun-06-06 11:16 PM	#31
I don't dislike him so much as the almost hero worship I see from	LittleClarkie	Jun-06-06 11:36 PM	#44
gadflys are good, i figure	upi402	Jun-07-06 02:14 AM	#96
But gadflies risk being swiped when they bite the donkey's ass	carl_pwccaman	Jun-07-06 11:12 PM	#123
does that apply to crticism of Democrats?	Djinn	Jun-07-06 02:35 AM	#100
don't I know it	upi402	Jun-07-06 02:44 AM	#103
well, when one is on a board dedicated to the Democratic Party	northzax	Jun-09-06 12:05 AM	#155
I would like him a lot better if he keeps his nose out of other	RagingInMiami	Jun-06-06 11:12 PM	#25
now THAT's funny! are you a comedian, or what?	Gabi Hayes	Jun-06-06 11:20 PM	#34
ahh, the old double standard again	northzax	Jun-06-06 11:23 PM	#36
Coup by others: bad. Coup by Chavez: good.	LittleClarkie	Jun-06-06 11:33 PM	#42
I think we're on the same page	northzax	Jun-07-06 12:22 AM	#62
Do you really feel you're playing with us?	upi402	Jun-08-06 01:20 AM	#140
anyone who has blind faith	northzax	Jun-08-06 10:32 AM	#142
You have studied and investigated the allegations and find them valid?	upi402	Jun-08-06 09:23 PM	#144
I've seen allegations from the well known evildoers at...	northzax	Jun-09-06 12:03 AM	#154
LOL, yep I saw that, look below the surface. Who lodged them. and why	upi402	Jun-09-06 12:24 AM	#157
why does it have to have his fingerprints directly?	northzax	Jun-09-06 10:28 AM	#169
if you look, it's anti-Chavez mayors, troops from the old regime, paid	upi402	Jun-10-06 03:24 AM	#178
Okay, show me how Chavez (as opposed to Bu$h) has taken	U4ikLefty	Jun-07-06 01:53 AM	#90
it couldn't really have been worse	northzax	Jun-08-06 10:35 AM	#143
Have you looked into the "press" there?	upi402	Jun-08-06 10:06 PM	#148
I certainly don't	Djinn	Jun-07-06 02:38 AM	#102
o/t but do you have a link for your sig line? n/t	upi402	Jun-07-06 02:47 AM	#105
it's from the rightsatwork campaign	Djinn	Jun-07-06 03:02 AM	#109
Thanks, it's bookmarked	upi402	Jun-07-06 03:08 AM	#110
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-06-06 11:23 PM	#38
I think you made my point quite eloquently, friend.	Gabi Hayes	Jun-06-06 11:35 PM	#43
Attempting to influence Peruvian elections	Marie26	Jun-07-06 01:53 AM	#91
"Narrowly escaped OAS sanctions"??? Peru was ONLY country who wanted	1932	Jun-07-06 11:51 PM	#126
i thought the comment to mexico was alright too. not persuaded	upi402	Jun-08-06 12:09 AM	#129
I remember when Vicente Fox blew up after Chavez called him a lap dog,	Judi Lynn	Jun-08-06 12:20 AM	#131
What in particular is your concern?	upi402	Jun-06-06 11:30 PM	#40
Governments of various Latin American nations do collaborate	rman	Jun-09-06 05:52 AM	#165
Good luck - there aren't many.	Zhade	Jun-06-06 11:30 PM	#41
I don't know enough about the man to go too far into it	DemonFighterLives	Jun-06-06 11:41 PM	#47
I could go along with that	LittleClarkie	Jun-07-06 12:02 AM	#51
Just curious what was reason behind mal feelings - dissent always!	upi402	Jun-07-06 12:06 AM	#53
That's cool. My mal feeling come mostly not from Chavez	LittleClarkie	Jun-07-06 12:50 AM	#72
I know	upi402	Jun-07-06 01:40 AM	#86
I was suckered by Colin too. And I don't want to fail	LittleClarkie	Jun-07-06 10:41 AM	#116
who has said here	Djinn	Jun-07-06 02:49 AM	#106
You will not see me unwaver	DemonFighterLives	Jun-07-06 08:48 AM	#113
He's a native american who has the support of the	Cleita	Jun-07-06 12:10 AM	#56
as long as he is elected, i don't dislike him	cushla_machree	Jun-07-06 12:23 AM	#64
This is the danger.	Cleita	Jun-07-06 12:34 AM	#68
True. 2 things -power corrupts and law of unintended consequences	upi402	Jun-07-06 01:21 AM	#81
Latin America has	Marie26	Jun-07-06 01:36 AM	#85
for now lets enjoy the honeymoon	upi402	Jun-07-06 01:48 AM	#88
Ironically, the press is not free there because the corporations that own	greyhound1966	Jun-07-06 12:51 AM	#73
Venezuela corporate media directly caused murders -nuff said for me	upi402	Jun-07-06 01:14 AM	#79
He doesn't subvert the free press. 90% of it is owned and operated by	Viva_La_Revolution	Jun-07-06 01:51 AM	#89
welcome to DU	upi402	Jun-07-06 02:04 AM	#94
If ANY US President	Djinn	Jun-07-06 02:56 AM	#108
Participated in military coup attempt in the 90's.	Marie26	Jun-07-06 01:23 AM	#82
I was looking at human rights abuses before 1998	upi402	Jun-07-06 01:58 AM	#93
With enormous popular support, pardoned afterwards...	rman	Jun-09-06 05:53 AM	#166
That is also a reason to hate George Washington	izzybeans	Jun-09-06 10:37 AM	#171
His worst "crimes" are with overblown rhetoric	killbotfactory	Jun-07-06 01:53 AM	#92
Are you an alternate-universe version of me who jumped dimensions?	Commie Pinko Dirtbag	Jun-09-06 10:43 AM	#172
I like him.	vogonjiltz	Jun-07-06 02:47 AM	#104
The Generals of Argentina were our allies....	Bridget Burke	Jun-07-06 08:56 AM	#114
Why look for reasons to hate someone? eom	im10ashus	Jun-07-06 09:37 PM	#120
Human Rights Abuse charge refuted -here's the snip;	upi402	Jun-08-06 12:18 AM	#130
Maria Corina Machado has some truly repulsive friends.	Judi Lynn	Jun-08-06 12:23 AM	#132
Bush State Department using questionable charges for its HR report	upi402	Jun-08-06 12:28 AM	#133
Well worth reading. It makes points people here have tried to communicate	Judi Lynn	Jun-08-06 01:30 AM	#141
yeah, FBI interrogating a Venez. professor in LA as Venez. gets a nod	upi402	Jun-08-06 09:35 PM	#145
2005 State Department Report analyzed	upi402	Jun-08-06 12:39 AM	#134
Car sales up 74% in May in Venezuela. Inflation lowest since 1986	truthseeker777	Jun-08-06 12:53 AM	#135
welcome	upi402	Jun-08-06 12:57 AM	#137
sorry truthseeker, I hit the wrong button	upi402	Jun-08-06 01:13 AM	#138
no problem	truthseeker777	Jun-08-06 01:17 AM	#139
The reason why -HR abuses back story	upi402	Jun-08-06 12:55 AM	#136
Does anyone else see the irony in this?	letsgonova19087	Jun-08-06 11:41 PM	#151
Huh? I don't follow.	1932	Jun-09-06 12:59 AM	#160
He hates freedom(tm)?	Rex	Jun-08-06 11:43 PM	#152
self-delete	file83	Jun-09-06 12:26 AM	#158
Well, he paid off Argentina's debt to the World Bank...so he must die	LaPera	Jun-09-06 02:24 AM	#161
You've painted the big picture, I think	upi402	Jun-10-06 03:42 AM	#181
Official DU Hugo Chavez Right-Wing Falsehood Debunking Thread	rman	Jun-09-06 05:46 AM	#164
Thanks for posting this. It points out the very same right-wing charges	Judi Lynn	Jun-09-06 11:27 AM	#173
debunk from your 1st link	upi402	Jun-10-06 02:34 AM	#174
State Department -"may have erred" in accusing Venez of human trafficking	upi402	Jun-10-06 02:53 AM	#175
This's about the most obnoxious situation I've EVER heard!	Judi Lynn	Jun-10-06 03:23 AM	#177
Positive PROOF, Chavez is A-OK	upi402	Jun-10-06 03:11 AM	#176
Priceless. Venezuelans voted for Hugo Chavez in LANDSLIDE	Judi Lynn	Jun-10-06 03:26 AM	#179
Sometimes leaders show up who do a great disservice to the traditions and	upi402	Jun-10-06 03:37 AM	#180
My only problem with him is he goes a bit too far with rhetoric sometimes	killbotfactory	Jun-10-06 03:52 AM	#182
It's hardly worse then some of the criticism of W in the US	rman	Jun-10-06 07:53 AM	#183

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