carl_pwccaman
(259 posts)
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Tue Jun-06-06 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
| 46. Human Rights Watch on Chavez... |
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http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=venezu It seems people wind up in prison for voicing opposition in papers. Bush has a better record on that than Chavez, go figure, it doesn't work for Democrats to point to Chavez as if he were great, while pointing fingers at Bush.
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 Facts please, on the reasons to dislike or hate Hugo Chavez or his party |
upi402 |
Jun-06-06 10:41 PM |
#0 |
 
He's a.......SOCIALIST! he wants to use the resources of his nation to |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-06-06 10:45 PM |
#1 |
yes, socialism, especially southish of the equator, is a virus... |
Jigarotta |
Jun-06-06 10:52 PM |
#8 |
yeah....and what about those damn Swedes and Finns and stuff |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-06-06 10:58 PM |
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and those commie Canadians too! nt |
Jigarotta |
Jun-06-06 10:59 PM |
#18 |
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how could I forget....training terrists to get over here and steal |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-06-06 11:15 PM |
#28 |
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um, can I break into this love fest and |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 12:08 AM |
#55 |
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now you've gone too FAR, vraiment! alons y! |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-07-06 12:19 AM |
#61 |
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There are Socialist Democratics but the Party is not Leninist or Marxist. |
carl_pwccaman |
Jun-07-06 11:18 PM |
#124 |
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thanks for the link |
knowbody0 |
Jun-06-06 10:48 PM |
#2 |
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Trying to get facts out of the Chavez bashers here is like |
diamondsndust |
Jun-06-06 10:49 PM |
#3 |
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Popcorn: CHECK |
file83 |
Jun-09-06 12:27 AM |
#159 |
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I like him simply because he pisses * off. |
Buck Laser |
Jun-06-06 10:49 PM |
#4 |
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If you are *ss you hate him because he nationalized the oil wells |
jwirr |
Jun-06-06 10:50 PM |
#5 |
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Chomsky on US Hysteria about Chavez... |
Jigarotta |
Jun-06-06 10:51 PM |
#6 |
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Thanks to postman and greyhound |
upi402 |
Jun-06-06 10:53 PM |
#9 |
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I don't hate him |
BayCityProgressive |
Jun-06-06 10:53 PM |
#10 |
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well, I hope it Does spread. |
Jigarotta |
Jun-06-06 10:58 PM |
#14 |
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so |
BayCityProgressive |
Jun-06-06 11:00 PM |
#21 |
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is chavez a communist? |
Jigarotta |
Jun-06-06 11:23 PM |
#37 |
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I never said Chavez was communist |
BayCityProgressive |
Jun-06-06 11:49 PM |
#49 |
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not as tyrannical as bush then... |
Jigarotta |
Jun-06-06 11:54 PM |
#50 |
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Unless you count... |
vogonjiltz |
Jun-07-06 02:38 AM |
#101 |
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This link might be helpful, if you've not seen it: |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-07-06 02:50 AM |
#107 |
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i think it would've done fine without US impediments for decades |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 12:18 AM |
#59 |
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Ahh Bill Hicks |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 01:19 AM |
#80 |
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2 sides of the same damn coin |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 01:26 AM |
#83 |
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He has failings |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-06-06 10:59 PM |
#17 |
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'hater' labe is probably meant in a generic way. I know I didn't say it |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 12:23 AM |
#63 |
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Human Rights Watch on Chavez... |
carl_pwccaman |
Jun-06-06 11:40 PM |
#46 |
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Chomsky on minimizing Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge Apologism |
carl_pwccaman |
Jun-07-06 12:08 AM |
#54 |
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what Chomsky actually said: |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-07-06 01:04 AM |
#77 |
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what chomsky really said AND what his detracter REALLY said |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 01:13 AM |
#78 |
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your post is just another reason |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 02:20 AM |
#98 |
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But his disputed reputation on the issue is good for Democrats how? |
carl_pwccaman |
Jun-07-06 06:34 PM |
#117 |
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um what? |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 09:36 PM |
#119 |
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DU, Democrats, Chomsky defense reactions, not helpful |
carl_pwccaman |
Jun-07-06 10:57 PM |
#121 |
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so what if people see Chomsky as problematic |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 11:46 PM |
#125 |
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Ah, so it doesn't matter whether attacks on a person are TRUE or not |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-09-06 10:32 AM |
#170 |
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But they were right wingers, so that's okay |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-07-06 12:45 AM |
#70 |
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There we go! Thanks. And this from Amnesty was before Chavez |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 12:46 AM |
#71 |
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Chavez - the media and free speech |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-07-06 12:54 AM |
#74 |
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Would you be good enough to find the part which proves Chavez |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-07-06 05:29 AM |
#112 |
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Are you concerned about some of what Human Rights Watch is saying? |
carl_pwccaman |
Jun-07-06 06:37 PM |
#118 |
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Great link. Thank you. |
Vidar |
Jun-07-06 04:54 AM |
#111 |
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kick (nt) |
stepnw1f |
Jun-06-06 10:52 PM |
#7 |
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I don't hate him |
northzax |
Jun-06-06 10:54 PM |
#11 |
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Sorry, too nuanced |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-06-06 10:58 PM |
#15 |
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yes, actually n/t |
upi402 |
Jun-06-06 11:08 PM |
#23 |
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OK sure. But lets be honest -we shoot their elected leaders and unionists |
upi402 |
Jun-06-06 11:07 PM |
#22 |
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so because he's doing the same thing we condemn the US for doing |
northzax |
Jun-06-06 11:13 PM |
#26 |
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no, really i don't think that way at all |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 01:46 AM |
#87 |
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Don't know about you |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 02:27 AM |
#99 |
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See the new Noam Chomsky article on Chavez and the US anti-Chavez |
Peace Patriot |
Jun-06-06 10:56 PM |
#12 |
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Chavez might step over the line occasionally |
Demo5 |
Jun-06-06 11:00 PM |
#20 |
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to be fair, Venezuela has a long and storied tradition of coups |
northzax |
Jun-06-06 11:15 PM |
#30 |
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The Bolivar movement (and coup) and the Zapatista movement |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 02:12 AM |
#95 |
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I believe almost every party that has held presidency in Venezuela |
1932 |
Jun-07-06 11:56 PM |
#127 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-07-06 11:04 PM |
#122 |
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Venezuelans wrote into constitution that ability to "pack" the court |
1932 |
Jun-08-06 12:02 AM |
#128 |
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I frankly don't know of a freer press and media in the whole world |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-09-06 04:12 AM |
#163 |
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Lots of stuff about torture on the HRW US page: |
struggle4progress |
Jun-08-06 09:54 PM |
#146 |
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Venezuela's neighbor Colombia seems to have a human rights crisis: |
struggle4progress |
Jun-08-06 09:57 PM |
#147 |
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compared to.... |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-09-06 04:00 AM |
#162 |
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sure, his reforms may be 'genuine' |
northzax |
Jun-06-06 11:11 PM |
#24 |
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Venezuela is getting 'richer', economy is booming |
rman |
Jun-09-06 05:59 AM |
#167 |
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This is the same thing I find |
upi402 |
Jun-06-06 11:15 PM |
#29 |
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one fact that I keep posting, and the Chavezistas keep ignoring... |
northzax |
Jun-06-06 11:19 PM |
#33 |
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Stratfor considers #1 most likely |
charlie |
Jun-06-06 11:26 PM |
#39 |
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they say! are those theys the Somesays from Faux News? |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-06-06 11:37 PM |
#45 |
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Blam! One messenger dead |
charlie |
Jun-06-06 11:49 PM |
#48 |
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like I said....too freakin' funny |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-07-06 12:03 AM |
#52 |
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Aw hell, forget it |
charlie |
Jun-07-06 12:14 AM |
#57 |
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hey...lighten up....I missed the first part of your presentation. |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-07-06 12:16 AM |
#58 |
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Hey, light up |
charlie |
Jun-07-06 12:24 AM |
#65 |
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but Chavez is a fifth columnist |
northzax |
Jun-07-06 12:27 AM |
#67 |
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Seems like big oil and opec are not open to a revolutionary socialist |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 10:12 PM |
#149 |
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is this the audited statement in question? |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 11:33 PM |
#150 |
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read the date |
northzax |
Jun-08-06 11:49 PM |
#153 |
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Thanks. Yes I knew the date and it was late -the reason obvious |
upi402 |
Jun-09-06 12:21 AM |
#156 |
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that's the reason you have an independant audit |
northzax |
Jun-09-06 10:17 AM |
#168 |
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who says it isn't? |
northzax |
Jun-07-06 12:25 AM |
#66 |
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you can't win, you know |
northzax |
Jun-07-06 12:18 AM |
#60 |
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so who made you the expert? can't win with the likes of you, |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-07-06 01:01 AM |
#75 |
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and......no answer. That should tell you all you need to know about that |
U4ikLefty |
Jun-07-06 01:34 AM |
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you are correct, the agenda was clear |
northzax |
Jun-07-06 09:01 AM |
#115 |
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I for one would like to know what's up. If they're in over their heads |
greyhound1966 |
Jun-07-06 12:43 AM |
#69 |
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could you find the source for that snip please? |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 02:18 AM |
#97 |
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Is it permissable to just not think he's the greatest thing since sliced |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-06-06 10:56 PM |
#13 |
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of COURSE not! where do you think you are? DU? |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-06-06 11:00 PM |
#19 |
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hey, he knows how to put down a coup |
northzax |
Jun-06-06 11:13 PM |
#27 |
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could you expound please n/t |
upi402 |
Jun-06-06 11:17 PM |
#32 |
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he led a coup of his own in 1992 |
northzax |
Jun-06-06 11:20 PM |
#35 |
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righto! DAMN that Sam Adams, anyway. |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-07-06 01:03 AM |
#76 |
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No labelling here. Why do you 'dislike' him was the O/P |
upi402 |
Jun-06-06 11:16 PM |
#31 |
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I don't dislike him so much as the almost hero worship I see from |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-06-06 11:36 PM |
#44 |
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gadflys are good, i figure |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 02:14 AM |
#96 |
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But gadflies risk being swiped when they bite the donkey's ass |
carl_pwccaman |
Jun-07-06 11:12 PM |
#123 |
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does that apply to crticism of Democrats? |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 02:35 AM |
#100 |
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don't I know it |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 02:44 AM |
#103 |
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well, when one is on a board dedicated to the Democratic Party |
northzax |
Jun-09-06 12:05 AM |
#155 |
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I would like him a lot better if he keeps his nose out of other |
RagingInMiami |
Jun-06-06 11:12 PM |
#25 |
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now THAT's funny! are you a comedian, or what? |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-06-06 11:20 PM |
#34 |
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ahh, the old double standard again |
northzax |
Jun-06-06 11:23 PM |
#36 |
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Coup by others: bad. Coup by Chavez: good. |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-06-06 11:33 PM |
#42 |
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I think we're on the same page |
northzax |
Jun-07-06 12:22 AM |
#62 |
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Do you really feel you're playing with us? |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 01:20 AM |
#140 |
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anyone who has blind faith |
northzax |
Jun-08-06 10:32 AM |
#142 |
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You have studied and investigated the allegations and find them valid? |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 09:23 PM |
#144 |
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I've seen allegations from the well known evildoers at... |
northzax |
Jun-09-06 12:03 AM |
#154 |
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LOL, yep I saw that, look below the surface. Who lodged them. and why |
upi402 |
Jun-09-06 12:24 AM |
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why does it have to have his fingerprints directly? |
northzax |
Jun-09-06 10:28 AM |
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if you look, it's anti-Chavez mayors, troops from the old regime, paid |
upi402 |
Jun-10-06 03:24 AM |
#178 |
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Okay, show me how Chavez (as opposed to Bu$h) has taken |
U4ikLefty |
Jun-07-06 01:53 AM |
#90 |
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it couldn't really have been worse |
northzax |
Jun-08-06 10:35 AM |
#143 |
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Have you looked into the "press" there? |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 10:06 PM |
#148 |
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I certainly don't |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 02:38 AM |
#102 |
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o/t but do you have a link for your sig line? n/t |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 02:47 AM |
#105 |
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it's from the rightsatwork campaign |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 03:02 AM |
#109 |
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Thanks, it's bookmarked |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 03:08 AM |
#110 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-06-06 11:23 PM |
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I think you made my point quite eloquently, friend. |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-06-06 11:35 PM |
#43 |
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Attempting to influence Peruvian elections |
Marie26 |
Jun-07-06 01:53 AM |
#91 |
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"Narrowly escaped OAS sanctions"??? Peru was ONLY country who wanted |
1932 |
Jun-07-06 11:51 PM |
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i thought the comment to mexico was alright too. not persuaded |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 12:09 AM |
#129 |
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I remember when Vicente Fox blew up after Chavez called him a lap dog, |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-08-06 12:20 AM |
#131 |
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What in particular is your concern? |
upi402 |
Jun-06-06 11:30 PM |
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Governments of various Latin American nations do collaborate |
rman |
Jun-09-06 05:52 AM |
#165 |
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Good luck - there aren't many. |
Zhade |
Jun-06-06 11:30 PM |
#41 |
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I don't know enough about the man to go too far into it |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-06-06 11:41 PM |
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I could go along with that |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-07-06 12:02 AM |
#51 |
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Just curious what was reason behind mal feelings - dissent always! |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 12:06 AM |
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That's cool. My mal feeling come mostly not from Chavez |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-07-06 12:50 AM |
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I know |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 01:40 AM |
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I was suckered by Colin too. And I don't want to fail |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-07-06 10:41 AM |
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who has said here |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 02:49 AM |
#106 |
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You will not see me unwaver |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-07-06 08:48 AM |
#113 |
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He's a native american who has the support of the |
Cleita |
Jun-07-06 12:10 AM |
#56 |
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as long as he is elected, i don't dislike him |
cushla_machree |
Jun-07-06 12:23 AM |
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This is the danger. |
Cleita |
Jun-07-06 12:34 AM |
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True. 2 things -power corrupts and law of unintended consequences |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 01:21 AM |
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Latin America has |
Marie26 |
Jun-07-06 01:36 AM |
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for now lets enjoy the honeymoon |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 01:48 AM |
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Ironically, the press is not free there because the corporations that own |
greyhound1966 |
Jun-07-06 12:51 AM |
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Venezuela corporate media directly caused murders -nuff said for me |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 01:14 AM |
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He doesn't subvert the free press. 90% of it is owned and operated by |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jun-07-06 01:51 AM |
#89 |
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welcome to DU |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 02:04 AM |
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If ANY US President |
Djinn |
Jun-07-06 02:56 AM |
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Participated in military coup attempt in the 90's. |
Marie26 |
Jun-07-06 01:23 AM |
#82 |
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I was looking at human rights abuses before 1998 |
upi402 |
Jun-07-06 01:58 AM |
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With enormous popular support, pardoned afterwards... |
rman |
Jun-09-06 05:53 AM |
#166 |
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That is also a reason to hate George Washington |
izzybeans |
Jun-09-06 10:37 AM |
#171 |
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His worst "crimes" are with overblown rhetoric |
killbotfactory |
Jun-07-06 01:53 AM |
#92 |
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Are you an alternate-universe version of me who jumped dimensions? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-09-06 10:43 AM |
#172 |
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I like him. |
vogonjiltz |
Jun-07-06 02:47 AM |
#104 |
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The Generals of Argentina were our allies.... |
Bridget Burke |
Jun-07-06 08:56 AM |
#114 |
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Why look for reasons to hate someone? eom |
im10ashus |
Jun-07-06 09:37 PM |
#120 |
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Human Rights Abuse charge refuted -here's the snip; |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 12:18 AM |
#130 |
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Maria Corina Machado has some truly repulsive friends. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-08-06 12:23 AM |
#132 |
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Bush State Department using questionable charges for its HR report |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 12:28 AM |
#133 |
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Well worth reading. It makes points people here have tried to communicate |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-08-06 01:30 AM |
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yeah, FBI interrogating a Venez. professor in LA as Venez. gets a nod |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 09:35 PM |
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2005 State Department Report analyzed |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 12:39 AM |
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Car sales up 74% in May in Venezuela. Inflation lowest since 1986 |
truthseeker777 |
Jun-08-06 12:53 AM |
#135 |
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welcome |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 12:57 AM |
#137 |
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sorry truthseeker, I hit the wrong button |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 01:13 AM |
#138 |
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no problem |
truthseeker777 |
Jun-08-06 01:17 AM |
#139 |
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The reason why -HR abuses back story |
upi402 |
Jun-08-06 12:55 AM |
#136 |
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Does anyone else see the irony in this? |
letsgonova19087 |
Jun-08-06 11:41 PM |
#151 |
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Huh? I don't follow. |
1932 |
Jun-09-06 12:59 AM |
#160 |
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He hates freedom(tm)? |
Rex |
Jun-08-06 11:43 PM |
#152 |
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self-delete |
file83 |
Jun-09-06 12:26 AM |
#158 |
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Well, he paid off Argentina's debt to the World Bank...so he must die |
LaPera |
Jun-09-06 02:24 AM |
#161 |
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You've painted the big picture, I think |
upi402 |
Jun-10-06 03:42 AM |
#181 |
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Official DU Hugo Chavez Right-Wing Falsehood Debunking Thread |
rman |
Jun-09-06 05:46 AM |
#164 |
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Thanks for posting this. It points out the very same right-wing charges |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-09-06 11:27 AM |
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debunk from your 1st link |
upi402 |
Jun-10-06 02:34 AM |
#174 |
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State Department -"may have erred" in accusing Venez of human trafficking |
upi402 |
Jun-10-06 02:53 AM |
#175 |
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This's about the most obnoxious situation I've EVER heard! |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-10-06 03:23 AM |
#177 |
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Positive PROOF, Chavez is A-OK |
upi402 |
Jun-10-06 03:11 AM |
#176 |
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Priceless. Venezuelans voted for Hugo Chavez in LANDSLIDE |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-10-06 03:26 AM |
#179 |
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Sometimes leaders show up who do a great disservice to the traditions and |
upi402 |
Jun-10-06 03:37 AM |
#180 |
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My only problem with him is he goes a bit too far with rhetoric sometimes |
killbotfactory |
Jun-10-06 03:52 AM |
#182 |
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It's hardly worse then some of the criticism of W in the US |
rman |
Jun-10-06 07:53 AM |
#183 |
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